If the Doc can do it, why not Missy-Master?

[Guy Gardener]

The Doctor and the Master were together when they were kids, in their 90s, joyriding in a TARDIS, having adventure's like sealing the Medusa cascade?

We can agree on that?

Good, so someone should tell Carol Ann Ford to suit up for the MultiMaster story.

 

[Iamnotspock]

The Eric Roberts incarnation had a very limited lifespan which is covered in the TV movie, while the Master who fought in the Time War was either a younger Derek Jacobi or possibly even another incarnation.

Most likely the Alex Macqueen incarnation.

Some of the audios also have the Beevers incarnation post-Ainley, explaining that the Tremas body was lost, and he was forced to return to his previous state. (This was probably due to the fact that Ainley died before he could do an audio).

Not exactly; Big Finish approached him when he was still alive but IIRC, he demanded too much money to pique his interest.

The Master who gets exterminated at the beginning of the TV movie was played by Gordon Tipple.

There's an old Youtube tribute video to the Master which counts Tipple in the line-up, and I've never understood why. He's akin to a body double in the final film.

 

[Green Lantern]

I quite like the idea of the MacQueen incarnation appearing on television actually, but I find it unlikely. However maybe a Five Masters story would be good, with Missy, Sim, Jacobi, the decaying Master and an unknown master.

 

[Doctorwhovian]

Then of course there's some who think the War Chief (From the War Games) is also the master.

There's also those who think the Monk from Time Meddler is as well!

 

[starsuperion]

Then of course there's some who think the War Chief (From the War Games) is also the master.

There's also those who think the Monk from Time Meddler is as well!

Well I know for a fact that Magnus, the war chief is definitely not the Master

 

[Guy Gardener]

Wikipedia went a step to far.

They're suggesting that the Master of the Land of Fiction might also be the Master.

If the Master could control his regenerations as well as Romana did, you'd that that it would have been a cogent idea to take the face of Benton, Yates, or the Brigadier?

 

[Ithekro]

"The Masters' Degree"?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

If the Master could control his regenerations as well as Romana did, you'd that that it would have been a cogent idea to take the face of Benton, Yates, or the Brigadier?

Remember the arrogance. The Master wants to be remembered as himself, he wants people to know who had beaten them.

And as smart as the Master is, I doubt he could convincingly impersonate any of the Doctor's friends. At the very least, his Time Lord life signs would probably be detectable.

 

[Guy Gardener]

It's really a question of remembering.

In the 5 doctors, 2 Doctors and 3 Doctors, all the Doctors where in the dark.

In Timecrash, 10 specifically won the day because he he remembered this adventure from the first time around when he was 5.

The Master will Betray and bully his other selves. But each older version will be able to counter his younger selves machinations, and only his youngest self will be unaware of the final outcome of this situation... Unless they all walk into it with no idea what's going on, and then it's just going to be bodies piling up everywhere.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I don't suppose there's any indication as to which Master we were seeing (i.e. which regeneration) when Roger Delgado was playing the role?

 

[Ithekro]

None that we know of. Only that the next time time we see the Master in the Fourth Doctor era, he is definately on his 13th and last body. I think in Big Finish they have the Delgado incarnation as the 13th Master who is horribly burned and disfigured (by Susan if I recall) and can't regenerate. Which techincally makes all the known incarnations of the Master are the 13th Master (Delgado) until probably Yana or the Time War Master. He is just using stolen bodies until then.

It be fun to have the Doctor run into an earlier Master. One that predates the Delgado incarnation. Have a string of Masters with Missy tries to change things to his favor, but the Doctor still wins. The older Masters not remembering much aside from they lost to the Doctor because Missy was there.

 

[Timewalker]

The Delgado and Ainley Master team up in Otaking's fan animation which you can probably find on Youtube. Of course it's entirely composed of old audio clips but still kind of fun.

What's it called?

Delgado and Ainley the most prominent original Masters have passed...

They're the only two I'd be remotely interested in watching.

I'm not sure if Roberts would return, not sure what his attitude is toward the series and the part (He did appear I think for some interviews though).

He's a big part of the reason so many people thought the movie was bad. I liked him in King of the Gypsies, but he never should have been cast as the Master.

I don't suppose there's any indication as to which Master we were seeing (i.e. which regeneration) when Roger Delgado was playing the role?

That was never mentioned, to my knowledge.

 

[Guy Gardener]

None that we know of. Only that the next time time we see the Master in the Fourth Doctor era, he is definately on his 13th and last body. I think in Big Finish they have the Delgado incarnation as the 13th Master who is horribly burned and disfigured (by Susan if I recall) and can't regenerate. Which techincally makes all the known incarnations of the Master are the 13th Master (Delgado) until probably Yana or the Time War Master. He is just using stolen bodies until then.

Geoffry Beevers plays the Master opposite Four and Leela in the current Big Finish line with Tom and Louise.

The Master and the Doctor's timelines "usually" remain in sync.

Leela arrived after The Deadly Assassin, and before the Keeper of Traken.

Geofry Beevers is the Master used in the Keeper of Traken.



Alex McQueen plays the Master only in audio, but he has faced off against Seven and 8 separately, and 4 through 8 simultaneously in a multiDoctor story .

 

[Doctorwhovian]

The Doctor Who fan anime is pretty much known as Doctor Who Anime on Youtube, it's by Otaking but it doesn't appear to be on his own channel (possibly because of an issue with the BBC? They don't seem to worry that much about the countless other fan projects, although this one does use a lot of audio from the series so maybe those are copyrighted). It's been mirrored a few times across Youtube though. The full version is about a dozen minutes, although there's a short trailer around four minutes. It doesn't have much of a story but it's an interesting project nonethless.

It's mainly dependent on the classic series, partially because Otaking doesn't care for the new one-although the Dalek design he uses are pretty much the 2005 versions (but painted in the white and gold from Revelation and Rememberance).

 

[starsuperion]

well out of the current mix of Brit actors of both stage and screen, who would make a good "not seen before-past regeneration pre-Delgado" Master?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ Alan Rickman?

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Ian McKellen

 

[starsuperion]

^ Alan Rickman?

Ian McKellen

both very fine choices, and would certainly even the odds what with the War Doctor being so famous.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Sir Ian has that sitcom where he makes out with Yana from time to time. (Vicious)

That's going to get very Meta very quickly.

Although if they could get Michael Fassbender on board, that would be hilarious to show those two as the young and old of the same character again?

 

[Rarewolf]

Geoffrey Beevers, who usually plays the Master in the Big Finish audios, first played the role in the 1980s TV story "The Keeper Of Traken". So, he most certainly has previous experience.

I was watching Keeper part 4 on TV yesterday. It really makes no sense the Doctor doesn't recognise his voice, or that Melkur dematerialises like a TARDIS. The voice is distorted, but clearly Beevers. Mind you its similar in Arc of Infinity. A distorted voice that still has such a well known voice its no surprise!

Some of the audios also have the Beevers incarnation post-Ainley, explaining that the Tremas body was lost, and he was forced to return to his previous state. (This was probably due to the fact that Ainley died before he could do an audio).

That was one of the biggest surprised Big Finish ever pulled off. They were very clever, casting Geoffrey as Mr Seta, alongside his wife (the much missed Caroline John) so the casting wouldn't get noticed

Not exactly; Big Finish approached him when he was still alive but IIRC, he demanded too much money to pique his interest.

It wasn't just about money. He also wanted script approval, casting approval... he was happy to make demands knowing they wouldn't meet them. But he hadn't got on with Gary Russell from the days he ran Doctor Who magazine.

There's an old Youtube tribute video to the Master which counts Tipple in the line-up, and I've never understood why. He's akin to a body double in the final film.

He originally had the opening narration as well, before they gave it to Paul.

None that we know of. Only that the next time time we see the Master in the Fourth Doctor era, he is definately on his 13th and last body. I think in Big Finish they have the Delgado incarnation as the 13th Master who is horribly burned and disfigured (by Susan if I recall) and can't regenerate. Which techincally makes all the known incarnations of the Master are the 13th Master
(Delgado) until probably Yana or the Time War Master. He is just using stolen bodies until then.

Geoffry Beevers plays the Master opposite Four and Leela in the current Big Finish line with Tom and Louise.

The Master and the Doctor's timelines "usually" remain in sync.

Leela arrived after The Deadly Assassin, and before the Keeper of Traken.

Geofry Beevers is the Master used in the Keeper of Traken.
Alex McQueen plays the Master only in audio, but he has faced off against Seven and 8 separately, and 4 through 8 simultaneously in a multiDoctor
story .

It was Beevers in the Multi-Doctor encounter, who in sense was the current Master then as well!

Susan causing the Delgado regeneration is from one of the BBC 8th Doctor books, I'm not sure it can really tie in with her audio reunion with the 8th Doctor.

The Companion Chronicle - Mastermind deals with the Master's timeline after the TVM. He looses the Bruce body, reverting (again!) to the decaying body, and takes several more bodies as narrated in the story, as humans decay too quickly.

So it basically! goes
Deadly Assassin - Peter Pratt, then Beevers (you could argue he uses enough of the Eye of Harmony to stabilse into Beevers)
4th Doctor audio adventures (I hope he meets Romana 2 one day. He might treat her differently to non-Gallifreyan companions)

Unitl The Keeper of Traken - stealing the Tremas body
Logopolis - Survival (Ainley) *

* There's also Proffesor STREAM in the 6th Doctor Lost Story season 23 adventure The Hollows of Time, by Christopher H Bidbead, played by David Garfield. Big Finish couldn't use the Master at the time due to the TV Series, and obviously had to recast. The Doctor never works out it's the Master, but he is a master of disguise. It would have been Ainley had it been made on TV in 1985.

After Survival The Ainley body is lost, reverts to Beevers.

7th Doctor audio adventures - Dust Breeding (with Ace), Master (solo) There possibly would have been more eventually, but the BBC wanted him on TV.

Steals another body (Tipple), put on trial by the Daleks - TV Movie (Roberts) - reverts to Beevers, steals several bodies in 20th Century America (Mastermind)

Eventually regenerates during 8th Doctor timeline, goes back to bother 7th.

Time War. At some point regenerates into Jacobi.

while the Master who fought in the Time War was either a younger Derek Jacobi or possibly even another incarnation. Likewise, the Derek Jacobi incarnation likely spent decades, if not his entire existence as Professor Yana.

We don't actually know how much of the Yana backstory was true. He ran off to the end of the universe, but his claims of being found as a child could have been invented. He could have just been there a few decades, handful of heartbeats to a timelord. Unlikely the Doctor met him though.