I very much doubt that someone so awesome could father someone so rubbish. That's genetics, folks! Of course there's Martin and Charlie Sheen, but this is a much more extreme case!
Picard is Wesley's father?
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I admit that Wesley always irritated the heck out of me as a character. I always felt kind of sorry for the actor, who must've done his best protraying a character whom so many of us just could not help but despise. I am not even sure why I disliked that character so much.
Nonetheless, I realize that the series did portray him as a character with many superior abilities - as sort of the next step in human evolution (yuk). As such, a mondo alpha male like Picard could indeed be his father. The series seemed to point out specifically that Wesley's major natural talents lay in the area of navigation (I suppose the Traveler ability is part of this too). Wasn't navigation Picard's original area of expertise? (Before he became the ultimate, bald uber-captain, that is.)
Nonetheless, I realize that the series did portray him as a character with many superior abilities - as sort of the next step in human evolution (yuk). As such, a mondo alpha male like Picard could indeed be his father. The series seemed to point out specifically that Wesley's major natural talents lay in the area of navigation (I suppose the Traveler ability is part of this too). Wasn't navigation Picard's original area of expertise? (Before he became the ultimate, bald uber-captain, that is.)
^ I'm sorry, but as has been said before (and probably in this thread), the idea is silly. In an era in which genetics could be determined instantaneously by a tricorder, how could anybody's paternity be kept secret for years and years? In an era in which birth control is, apparently, flawless, why would any affair result in a pregnancy?
I guess with enough omissions and assumptions and coincidences and so on, you could find a way to write around these things so that they are possible though not very plausible, but...why? What's wrong with Wesley, poor boring little guy, being the son of Jack and Beverly Crusher? What's wrong with Picard and Beverly not being the kind of people who would cheat on their best friend and husband, respectively?
I guess with enough omissions and assumptions and coincidences and so on, you could find a way to write around these things so that they are possible though not very plausible, but...why? What's wrong with Wesley, poor boring little guy, being the son of Jack and Beverly Crusher? What's wrong with Picard and Beverly not being the kind of people who would cheat on their best friend and husband, respectively?
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Funny you bring that as an argument why Picard being the father is unlikely, when in that very same DS9 episode Sisko fathered a child because he forgot his injection.
Miranda Vigo was not married to Picard's best friend and fellow officer. Moreover, Miranda Vigo did not spend years raising Jason right under Picard's nose.
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The whole idea of having Captain Picard as the type of man willing to bed his best friend and fellow officer's wife along with having Dr. Beverly Crusher as the type of woman willing to betray her husband with his best friend and commanding officer and then willfully lie to her husband about the child's paternity in order to pass the child of the adulterous tryst off as her husband's all as a story device to get Picard and Beverly Crusher together is just ridiculously histrionic.
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Whoa Nellie
So what?
WN, I understand why you have fashioned the moral choices/characters in a way that suits you - "willing to bed, "betray", "willfully lie," etc.
That's fine, but just because you frame it this way doesn't mean that others have to accept the moral straitjacket you seek to impose on the discussion.
There is a good argument for some consideration of Picard's lapse of moral judgement when it comes to his second liaison with Vash (he gets a pass on the first which was more a case of "what happens on Risa stays on Risa" holiday fling).
I have to agree and i admit i've often wondered about Picard being Wes's father. Regardless of how moral and upright he may be, he is still human. And we saw that he was not perfect, but instead a flawed human being in Tapestry. I don't think the possibility of Picard being Wesley's father is that ridiculous, although i am not certain that he IS. But i do think it is a possibility, and for some to put Picard on some higher moral ground pedestal isn't quite right either.
I'm sorry, Randi - you know I agree with you a lot but...
While I don't think either Picard or Crusher is perfect - God knows - I just don't think either of them is slimy enough to do this and keep it hidden for years and years. Because let's face it - it would be slimy. I'm not talking about perfection - I'm talking about (1) not getting pregnant from one man while married to another; and (2) not having sex with your best friend's wife. If that's a "pedestal," it's not a very high one. I know people do these things, including nice people, but that doesn't mean it isn't slimy.
But aside from that, I just don't think it holds together logically very well. Why did no one ever notice that Wesley's genetics couldn't have come from Jack Crusher? Why did neither Beverly's nor Jean Luc's birth control work? Why keep it a secret for years after Jack's death? Yeah, sure, as I mentioned before, you could write around it. But you'd have to turn the Enterprise into a soap opera to do it.
So yes. I think it's silly. On at least two levels. Sorry.
While I don't think either Picard or Crusher is perfect - God knows - I just don't think either of them is slimy enough to do this and keep it hidden for years and years. Because let's face it - it would be slimy. I'm not talking about perfection - I'm talking about (1) not getting pregnant from one man while married to another; and (2) not having sex with your best friend's wife. If that's a "pedestal," it's not a very high one. I know people do these things, including nice people, but that doesn't mean it isn't slimy.
But aside from that, I just don't think it holds together logically very well. Why did no one ever notice that Wesley's genetics couldn't have come from Jack Crusher? Why did neither Beverly's nor Jean Luc's birth control work? Why keep it a secret for years after Jack's death? Yeah, sure, as I mentioned before, you could write around it. But you'd have to turn the Enterprise into a soap opera to do it.
So yes. I think it's silly. On at least two levels. Sorry.
Kate, no problem! (oooh i sounded like Data there).....like i tried to say (i suck at expressing myself in the written word), i don't really subscribe 100% to either train of thought (although of course it has to be one or the other), but i just feel the possibility shouldn't be completely written off.
That said, i totally understand and respect what youre saying--
And i wuvs ya!
That said, i totally understand and respect what youre saying--
And i wuvs ya!
Well (my two penneth) we saw that people can change eye colour in the 24th Century (hell people can do it in the 21st but it'll probably blind you) so maybe JC had some kind of cosmetic treatment done...
Because they did get an actor to play him who looked enough like Wesley for me to think "Yeah, that's father and son"
I think the person who dreamt up this theory has
A) Too much time on their hands
B) An unhealthy fixation with the idea that the ST Universe revolves around Picard. Not everything that happens is a result of the Actions of the big JLP.
Robau on the other hand...which is why i will soon be starting the thread:
ROBAU IS PICARD'S FATHER:
Think it sounds ridiculous? They're both bald, they're both Starfleet Captains, they've both been known to be badass. Maybe Robau's sperm was frozen in the 23rd Century, and in the Early 24th, Picard's parents couldn't conceive, so they went to the bank and made a withdrawal...
That theory makes slightly more sense
Because they did get an actor to play him who looked enough like Wesley for me to think "Yeah, that's father and son"
I think the person who dreamt up this theory has
A) Too much time on their hands
B) An unhealthy fixation with the idea that the ST Universe revolves around Picard. Not everything that happens is a result of the Actions of the big JLP.
Robau on the other hand...which is why i will soon be starting the thread:
ROBAU IS PICARD'S FATHER:
Think it sounds ridiculous? They're both bald, they're both Starfleet Captains, they've both been known to be badass. Maybe Robau's sperm was frozen in the 23rd Century, and in the Early 24th, Picard's parents couldn't conceive, so they went to the bank and made a withdrawal...
That theory makes slightly more sense
OK, I never really cared who Wes's father was; I just wanted the kid off the bridge. (That's just me being old & cranky.) But it did appear to me that early on, the show wanted to present that possibility, and then very quickly backed off of it. Still, there were occasional later moments in the show that seemed to lead back to that possibility, even though "canon" seems to have firmly taken the position that JLP was not his father. (I may be wrong about this, as I don't pay that much attention to "canon.")
Signed up just to revive this thread.
During Wesley's first entrance exam psych test, we see a scenario where Wesley faces a frozen hydrogen pipe leaking.
What if Picard was his father but lost his memory in a similar event? Starfleet would not necessarily know that Wesley did not know.
And thus presented it as a trauma inducing story.
Basically two out of three people died, while two did survive.
Losing your memory in such a way could also turn you bald (Perhaps a cranial implant was required?).
Picard could have gone home to Beverly, but not knowing who she was the relationship ended and he ultimately left.
Technically he still brought home the body of Wesley's father.
Beverly then hides the truth, knowing that the tragedy would probably be worse then the truth.
Would this work?
Or is there a TNG episode where we actually see the father/husband in question?
During Wesley's first entrance exam psych test, we see a scenario where Wesley faces a frozen hydrogen pipe leaking.
What if Picard was his father but lost his memory in a similar event? Starfleet would not necessarily know that Wesley did not know.
And thus presented it as a trauma inducing story.
Basically two out of three people died, while two did survive.
Losing your memory in such a way could also turn you bald (Perhaps a cranial implant was required?).
Picard could have gone home to Beverly, but not knowing who she was the relationship ended and he ultimately left.
Technically he still brought home the body of Wesley's father.
Beverly then hides the truth, knowing that the tragedy would probably be worse then the truth.
Would this work?
Or is there a TNG episode where we actually see the father/husband in question?
Oy. Being bald needs a dramatic backstory? 
Follow this link for everything you need to know about the "father/husband in question", Jack Crusher.
And, BTW, reviving six-year-old threads is frowned upon here!
Follow this link for everything you need to know about the "father/husband in question", Jack Crusher.
And, BTW, reviving six-year-old threads is frowned upon here!
Second time it was revived too by the looks of things.
I tend to err with what Christopher said earlier in the thread ( in a post from eight years ago
) that if Picard and Beverly had ever had a fling, then the reveal in "Attached" that he once had feelings for her wouldn't have been such a surprise to her. She'd have just slapped him on the head and said "I know you did, remember that time we had sex?" 
That Wes is their illicit son is a nice theory, and definitely one which the earliest TNG episodes hinted at. But it is pretty much a non-starter as far as trying to read that subtext into it these days. Wes is Jack's son, pure and simple.
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Why would the honorable Picard have tryst with his best friend wife? Because Picard was a different kind of man in his younger years, much the rouge, the hard charger. Plus he possessed more hair and more testosterone flowed through his system.
And the series of clandestine rendezvous' might have been more instigated by Beverly than Jean Luc. Let's face it, Jack was away a lot of the time and Wesley would have been conceived when Beverly was about 24 years.
A girl has needs.
One of her needs might have been to have a child, if it was Jack's so much the better, but that might not have been one of Beverly's deal breakers. She wanted a baby, and so far Jack was shooting blanks.
Beverly might not have been on birth control.
And the series of clandestine rendezvous' might have been more instigated by Beverly than Jean Luc. Let's face it, Jack was away a lot of the time and Wesley would have been conceived when Beverly was about 24 years.
A girl has needs.
One of her needs might have been to have a child, if it was Jack's so much the better, but that might not have been one of Beverly's deal breakers. She wanted a baby, and so far Jack was shooting blanks.
Beverly might not have been on birth control.
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