It's cute that you believe black people can't hold up white supremacy, too. That's a big part of how it works, you know.
Violent Protests in Baltimore
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It's cute that you believe black people can't hold up white supremacy, too. That's a big part of how it works, you know.
I can't see how most people who aren't being deliberately partisan, obtuse and divisive and don't want to even remotely sound like they're siding with the views of their opponents can't agree with the sentiment. Their anger is wholly justified. The brute and destructive violence isn't.
I'm not a proponent of looting and crime because I feel that black citizens get treated like shit much of the time. They won't be a proponent of looting and crime if they can differentiate between the anger and the actions. If you treat somebody like a second-class citizen long enough they'll more often than not get pissed off and some of them might do something extreme and violent as a result of that anger.
That's not excusing violence. That's understanding human behavior, hoping it doesn't happen, prosecuting it when it does but grasping that many people are tired of the status quo.
And Baltimore isn't in the United States? With its culture informed by a wider society? Try again.
Your posts in this thread have been rather appalling and you're intent on simplifying every complex issue. I'm looking around but I can't see anybody who's impressed.
Baltimore is 28% white, but the BCPD is 48% white.
Most major police departments are whiter than the cities they serve.
Oh brother.
That's cute. I find your posts to be ignorant and naive. You have your race card and refuse to give it up despite mounting evidence that local government incompetence is the problem there. It's clear facts and differing points of view scare you so perhaps you should stick to TNZ.
Quite.
It would also be naive to think that police departments a) attract or b) tolerate black people who are unwilling to uphold policies which are white supremacist in nature.
People gotta make a living.
Oh brother.
That's cute. I find your posts to be ignorant and naive. You have your race card and refuse to give it up despite mounting evidence that local government incompetence is the problem there. It's clear facts and differing points of view scare you so perhaps you should stick to TNZ.
Nothing betrays one's ignorance and racism faster than trotting out the phrase "race card." Well-played.
You seem to be the one unfamiliar with facts here.
"Government incompetence" doesn't cause racially-motivated police brutality; a culture that turns a blind eye to racist institutions, policies, and behaviors does. "Incompetence" implies the system isn't working as designed. But it is.
There is also nothing wrong with calling out "differing points of view" as bullshit, when that's what they are.
So in essence: I was right.
Now that is cute. So you think it's just random incompetence.
And the fact that not only in Baltimore but in all of the United States it's mostly the black population who's on the receiving end of this is what? Pure coincidence?
Talk about naive points of view.
The fact that you call legitimate concerns "playing the race card" explains your agenda here but it's still pretty disgusting.
Again: It's really not that complex. Unless you have a pretty nasty agenda it's pretty easy to see it even without having studied political science and history like I did.
Hey, I'm not being smug. It just looks that way to you because I'm a European commie.
Typical bleeding heart liberal.Nothing betray's one's stupidity and close kindness faster than hollering racism at the drop of a hat. Yet you manage to do that with pretty much everything. Interesting how I've already stated that I hope the officers that were responsible for grays death are punished. Yet somehow I'm racist for saying that the criminals, most of whom didn't even know the victim, were not justified in pillaging an entire city.
Gray's family, you know, the family of that victim you claim to care so much about, specifically asked people to be calm and go home. The one's that actually cared about the family went home. The rest were out for themselves.
"Government incompetence" doesn't cause racially-motivated police brutality; a culture that turns a blind eye to racist institutions, policies, and behaviors does. "Incompetence" implies the system isn't working as designed. But it is.
There is also nothing wrong with calling out "differing points of view" as bullshit, when that's what they are.[/QUOTE]
Are you capable of speaking only in cliches?
I don't think a black man being fatally injured by police throwing him around the back of a paddy wagon is "the drop of a hat," but I guess black lives are worth a bit more to me than they are to you.
Oh, is that so? Go on, I'd love more examples.
Interesting how I've already stated that I hope the officers that were responsible for grays death are punished. Yet somehow I'm racist for saying that the criminals, most of whom didn't even know the victim, were not justified in pillaging an entire city.
An "entire city," huh? Wow, yeah, they fucking destroyed it, didn't they? The whole city.
I wouldn't call you racist for saying that, but I do find it highly suspect that you seem to care much, much more about symptoms like looting and arson than you do about the systemic injustices that cause this kind of unrest in the first place. Maybe it's racism, maybe it isn't, but it's definitely a deficiency in your reasoning and/or worldview.
Or, you know, social problems are much bigger than any one individual or family, so pointing the finger at a specific person or small group of persons isn't particularly productive. Punish the officers. Punish the looters. But also, address the broader problems that lead to these incidents in the first place. Otherwise, there will be a lot more Freddie Grays and a lot more Baltimores. Is that what you want? Because that seems to be what you're arguing, by paying attention only to superficial events and not the underlying injustices.
All the United States? I live in Tampa and we don't have those sort of problems. And nowhere was I saying that racism doesn't exist. But to claim that the entire United States is somehow responsible for what happened in Baltimore is ridiculous.
An agenda? Just what reason would I have to push an agenda on a message board that hardly anyone sees?
I have a B.A in political science. So what. Our backgrounds are irrelevant.
Whatever you say.
The surest way to prove you've lost an argument is when you start trying to make it personal.
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If you actually cared about black lives you would have some sort of sympathy for all the black people who lost their homes and businesses. Yet you have shown no remorse for them. You didn't even respond to the article I posted about the black mother with a disabled child who had her house burnt to the ground.So don't even try and play that B.S with me.
Or maybe it's just because the looting and arson are the subject of this thread. If you want to discuss systematic injustices then you need to create your own thread.
I don't think that destruction of property was justified, but I also don't think that the destruction of property by a small minority of protesters should invalidate the anger, frustration or message of the majority of the protesters.
Time and again, when protests erupt the violent acts of a minority are given an enormous amount of attention, and those violent acts are used to invalidate the message of the protests, and invalidate the argument of those who support the protesters.
You have chosen to melt the entire situation down to a simple binary equation - and this is too complex a subject to be limited to a "Yes/No". Thus cooleddie and other's comments that additional options were needed to allow posters to accurately describe their thoughts.
Additional options were not needed. If you feel a poll does not apply to you, you simply do not vote in it.
That's because your invocation of such articles is a cynical attempt at looking morally superior. I gave it the amount of attention it deserved in such a context: none. I don't owe you anything.
Uh, no. The injustices are part and parcel of the events. You seem to have a difficult time understanding that. It makes no sense to separate events from their context.
Or, what, was the American Revolution just a bunch of uppity colonists breaking the King's shit for no reason? By ichab logic, I guess so!
Good. So we both agree. Others do not.
Agreed on this also.There were many groups out protesting peacefully. These groups actually cared about Freddie Gray, his family and the community. The people who burned the buildings down didn't give two shits about any of the above.
I don't see how that is the case here. Most of what I'm seeing is people wanting to see justice served but not by an angry mob. We have a judicial system specifically in place to counteract lynch mob justice.
On the whole issue some of you have with the poll it was pretty straitforward and simple, the way polls generally are. You can sympathize with people's anger while still disagreeing with their actions. Perhaps he should have asked two questions: one dealing with the anger and the other dealing with the actions.
Actually, the thread includes a poll question of whether the looting, arson, etc. are justified, and any systematic injustices the protesters have been subject to would weigh on that question.
Moreover, the OP invites us to consider the broad scope, by invoking Gandhi.
So, on the contrary, the discussion of systematic injustices seems most on-topic to me.
That's because your invocation of such articles is a cynical attempt at looking morally superior. I gave it the amount of attention it deserved in such a context: none. I don't owe you anything.
Actually I posted the article because it dealt with the aftermath of the protests which once again are Germaine to the topic of this thread.
But since you want to discuss moral superiority let's consider this.I sympathize with Freddie Gray, his family and all the people whose lives were ruined by violence. You on the other hand sympathize with the criminals who burnt the buildings down and don't care about any of the people who lost their homes, jobs or businesses. Who would you say has the better moral compass?
That's because your invocation of such articles is a cynical attempt at looking morally superior. I gave it the amount of attention it deserved in such a context: none. I don't owe you anything.
Actually I posted the article because it dealt with the aftermath of the protests which once again are Germaine to the topic of this thread.
But since you want to discuss moral superiority let's consider this.I sympathize with Freddie Gray, his family and all the people whose lives were ruined by violence. You on the other hand sympathize with the criminals who burnt the buildings down and don't care about any of the people who lost their homes, jobs or businesses. Who would you say has the better moral compass?
You have no idea who I sympathize with.
I also don't believe you post in good faith, so I'm not going to treat you as if you do.
I guess you'll have to find a way to live with that.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/humani...itive-racial-divide-must-be-addressed/1080561
It was literally the second link on Google. Try harder.
And here's your segregation down there...
But no. You're "special" as long as you do zero research.
That's because your invocation of such articles is a cynical attempt at looking morally superior. I gave it the amount of attention it deserved in such a context: none. I don't owe you anything.
Actually I posted the article because it dealt with the aftermath of the protests which once again are Germaine to the topic of this thread.
But since you want to discuss moral superiority let's consider this.I sympathize with Freddie Gray, his family and all the people whose lives were ruined by violence. You on the other hand sympathize with the criminals who burnt the buildings down and don't care about any of the people who lost their homes, jobs or businesses. Who would you say has the better moral compass?
You have no idea who I sympathize with.
I also don't believe you post in good faith, so I'm not going to treat you as if you do.
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Then you're wasting both of our time. See yah.
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