The Flash - Season 1
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Gassed would have been superb.
Even bound, would have been a start.
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Cisco invented the cold gun, he can build more.
Cisco invented the Glider's electroplating gun, he can build more. Hell, he built the first one, from concept to prototype, over night.
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Hire the League of Assassins. That's what they're there for.
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Bolt is a businessman, not a crazy person. He can be paid to behave, and ARGUS would love to get hold of him for Task Force X, or just a regular assassin if he could be a gentleman during his off hours.
Peekaboo is a common thief. She is not going to destroy a city. I mean she could, if someone gave her a plan. Removing irreplaceable "parts" of the electrical and power grid would screw over the city, and if she targeted hospitals, that'd be a lot of bodies quick. But I stress. Common thief. Not a threat.
Nimbus was so long ago he seems like a city destroying threat, but really he was just a mobster trying to become a Boss. Very dangerous, but he thinks so small. Left to his own devices, Nimbus would have just assumed control of a couple families and then lived the life of a wealthy man, and never use his powers again probably.
Rainbow Raider robs banks. Robs banks, and we assume moves on. There's no profit in destroying cities. Especially if an unstable world means that the money he has just stolen is now useless.
Weather Wizard did destroy the city, but that's mostly because Barry pissed him off, but yeah, this is the only one guy that really qualifies as a threat using Barry's metric, but even then, once he gets over his brother he's just a hillbilly with an 8th grade education. Nothing to worry about.
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Cisco is going to give in, and tap that eventually.
Even bound, would have been a start.
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Cisco invented the cold gun, he can build more.
Cisco invented the Glider's electroplating gun, he can build more. Hell, he built the first one, from concept to prototype, over night.
...
Hire the League of Assassins. That's what they're there for.
...
Bolt is a businessman, not a crazy person. He can be paid to behave, and ARGUS would love to get hold of him for Task Force X, or just a regular assassin if he could be a gentleman during his off hours.
Peekaboo is a common thief. She is not going to destroy a city. I mean she could, if someone gave her a plan. Removing irreplaceable "parts" of the electrical and power grid would screw over the city, and if she targeted hospitals, that'd be a lot of bodies quick. But I stress. Common thief. Not a threat.
Nimbus was so long ago he seems like a city destroying threat, but really he was just a mobster trying to become a Boss. Very dangerous, but he thinks so small. Left to his own devices, Nimbus would have just assumed control of a couple families and then lived the life of a wealthy man, and never use his powers again probably.
Rainbow Raider robs banks. Robs banks, and we assume moves on. There's no profit in destroying cities. Especially if an unstable world means that the money he has just stolen is now useless.
Weather Wizard did destroy the city, but that's mostly because Barry pissed him off, but yeah, this is the only one guy that really qualifies as a threat using Barry's metric, but even then, once he gets over his brother he's just a hillbilly with an 8th grade education. Nothing to worry about.
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Cisco is going to give in, and tap that eventually.
Ok, that settles ot. The episodes are back in sync after all,
It is not over yet, there is still the accelerator to deal with and I am sure, Wells has a few aces up his sleeve, yet.
Oliver just just used the nap time of his friends in Nanda Parbat for a quick trip to Central City. Makes you wonder if he was on his way there anyway, to ask for Barry's help or if he heard about his fight with Wells... somehow.
How he got to CC without the league knowing is a mystery to me and those league of assassin wormholes not only connect to Starling it seems.
How he got to CC without the league knowing is a mystery to me and those league of assassin wormholes not only connect to Starling it seems.
It is not over yet, there is still the accelerator to deal with and I am sure, Wells has a few aces up his sleeve, yet.
Last week I theorized Ollie and Malcolm switched the vials. I assumed The Magician pull the trick. But maybe it's Fast-Hands Allen?
This was an impressively big episode, loaded with villains and heroes. A bit disappointing that we didn't get to see the three heroes take on the multiple baddies, but I guess it makes the Reverse Flash more impressive in that it took all three of them to take him down. (Four, really, since Ray provided the nanites. Heck, five, since Firestorm is two people.)
And they finally confront the ethical problems with the prison, although it's a bit awkward for Joe to say he's been objecting this whole time when we didn't actually see him doing so. This has been the one big moral compromise made by the otherwise noble Flash, and here we see its consequences -- and finally put an end to it. I expect that next season we'll see that DA work with Joe to set up a better response to the metahuman containment issue. Maybe the damping fields Cisco devised will come into play there.
Did Snart kill that guy who fired energy from his eyes? He was the one from that Arrow episode, the one who wasn't created in the accelerator explosion. I figured that was setting up a mystery we'd see explored later, but that's gonna be harder to do if he's dead.
Anyway, we finally get both Amell cousins onscreen together -- and they have no interaction at all.
And they finally confront the ethical problems with the prison, although it's a bit awkward for Joe to say he's been objecting this whole time when we didn't actually see him doing so. This has been the one big moral compromise made by the otherwise noble Flash, and here we see its consequences -- and finally put an end to it. I expect that next season we'll see that DA work with Joe to set up a better response to the metahuman containment issue. Maybe the damping fields Cisco devised will come into play there.
Did Snart kill that guy who fired energy from his eyes? He was the one from that Arrow episode, the one who wasn't created in the accelerator explosion. I figured that was setting up a mystery we'd see explored later, but that's gonna be harder to do if he's dead.
Anyway, we finally get both Amell cousins onscreen together -- and they have no interaction at all.
Meh, he did it off-screen, good enough for me, I don't give a shit. I'm just real happy they raised the issue. The whole illegal detainment thing was disturbing and needed to be addressed.
I was surprised they only had 5 people in there left, it felt like more throughout the season.
But thinking back, the first few metas died right away before they came up with the prison idea.
Then they had a couple of metas die in follow up episodes, Pied Piper escaped, all those Rogue episodes never saw any new editions and a couple of episodes where the bad guy went to regular prison.
So it was not as bad as it felt whith the feeding problem and everything.
But thinking back, the first few metas died right away before they came up with the prison idea.
Then they had a couple of metas die in follow up episodes, Pied Piper escaped, all those Rogue episodes never saw any new editions and a couple of episodes where the bad guy went to regular prison.
So it was not as bad as it felt whith the feeding problem and everything.
Cool that they named dropped GL, and they have been dropping Ferris Air both in Flash and Arrow.
But...I doubt they'll do anything with it. They name dropped Kord Industries in the first season of Arrow a bunch, but nothing materialized, and it ole' Ted would have seemed to be a better choice for rich inventor type rather than Ray, and the whole powered armor motif seemed more Blue Beetle-ish (despite that version NOT being Ted Kord).
The GL property is probably marked for a while after the movie (which I didn't actually mind, despite the mis-matched casting and story...IMHO, it was more of a Kyle story, but whatever), the same way it took Batman a LONG time to shake the 60's camp typecasting. They'd need to take it somewhere grim and dark and wonderous...sort of a mix of creepiness of Alien with the weird worldbuiding of Chronicles of Riddick. Not sure if the CW has the chops or budget for that.
But hey, both Flash and Arrow are unexpectedly outstanding, so what do I know?
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But...I doubt they'll do anything with it. They name dropped Kord Industries in the first season of Arrow a bunch, but nothing materialized, and it ole' Ted would have seemed to be a better choice for rich inventor type rather than Ray, and the whole powered armor motif seemed more Blue Beetle-ish (despite that version NOT being Ted Kord).
The GL property is probably marked for a while after the movie (which I didn't actually mind, despite the mis-matched casting and story...IMHO, it was more of a Kyle story, but whatever), the same way it took Batman a LONG time to shake the 60's camp typecasting. They'd need to take it somewhere grim and dark and wonderous...sort of a mix of creepiness of Alien with the weird worldbuiding of Chronicles of Riddick. Not sure if the CW has the chops or budget for that.
But hey, both Flash and Arrow are unexpectedly outstanding, so what do I know?
Vf
Um, no, they didn't name drop "GL". The closest they got was "some test pilot"
Let's see... Of the metahuman villains, we've had:
Clyde Mardon: Killed by Joe.
Danton Black/Multiplex: Fell to his death by his own choice.
Kyle Nimbus/Mist: First to be put in the Pipeline.
Bette Sans Souci/Plastique: Shot by Eiling and blown up.
Tony Woodward/Girder: Pipelined briefly, then released by Wells and killed by Blackout.
Farooq Gibran/Blackout: Killed through own actions.
Roy G. Bivolo/Rainbow Raider: Pipelined.
Hartley Rathaway/Pied Piper: Briefly Pipelined, then escaped by tricking Cisco.
Shawna Baez/Peek-a-Boo: Pipelined.
Mark Mardon/Weather Wizard: Pipelined.
Jake Simmons/Deathbolt: Pipelined.
Hannibal Bates/Everyman: Briefly Pipelined, then released by Wells and killed by Joe.
Grodd: Escaped, still at large.
And the other villains this season were not metahumans: Captain Cold, Clock King, Heat Wave, Eiling, Golden Glider, Trickster (and son), Bug-Eyed Bandit. So they went to regular prison, or got away.
So that's eight Pipelined villains in all (not counting Eiling's brief stay), two of whom were released and sent to their death by Wells, and one of whom escaped. And now the other five have escaped. Frankly, it's a good thing the team has gotten out of the metahuman prison business now, because they're really pretty bad at it.
Clyde Mardon: Killed by Joe.
Danton Black/Multiplex: Fell to his death by his own choice.
Kyle Nimbus/Mist: First to be put in the Pipeline.
Bette Sans Souci/Plastique: Shot by Eiling and blown up.
Tony Woodward/Girder: Pipelined briefly, then released by Wells and killed by Blackout.
Farooq Gibran/Blackout: Killed through own actions.
Roy G. Bivolo/Rainbow Raider: Pipelined.
Hartley Rathaway/Pied Piper: Briefly Pipelined, then escaped by tricking Cisco.
Shawna Baez/Peek-a-Boo: Pipelined.
Mark Mardon/Weather Wizard: Pipelined.
Jake Simmons/Deathbolt: Pipelined.
Hannibal Bates/Everyman: Briefly Pipelined, then released by Wells and killed by Joe.
Grodd: Escaped, still at large.
And the other villains this season were not metahumans: Captain Cold, Clock King, Heat Wave, Eiling, Golden Glider, Trickster (and son), Bug-Eyed Bandit. So they went to regular prison, or got away.
So that's eight Pipelined villains in all (not counting Eiling's brief stay), two of whom were released and sent to their death by Wells, and one of whom escaped. And now the other five have escaped. Frankly, it's a good thing the team has gotten out of the metahuman prison business now, because they're really pretty bad at it.
How is a Ferris aircraft test pilot disappearing not a reference to Hal Jordan? There is no other reason to even have that line in there unless it was a Hal reference. I doubt anything will come of it, but its still obviously a GL reference.
I got the impression that this was supposed to take place in the time period when Ollie went to Starling to pick up Nyssa, not contemporary to the Nyssa and Ollie in Nanda Parbat with his friends having been gassed. It's all part of the long game being played by Ollie and the Magician.
Its often forgotten that the Green Lantern movie was written by Greg Berlanti and Marc Guggenheim. Producers and writers of both Arrow and The Flash.
Even more interesting is that in 2011 they wrote a film script for The Flash. http://www.superheromoviesnews.com/...-Marc-Guggenheim-The-Flash-Script-Review.html
All the basic ideas for Reverse Flash plotline this season they first developed there. That after killing Barry's mom it takes him 15 years to build a Particle Accelerator at S.T.A.R. Labs. Also that he trains Barry how to use his new powers. The only difference is that he does not take on the identity of Harrison Wells. He just works there under his real name of Eobard Thawne. Which makes sense. In a single film his real motivations would have been revealed by the end. Not stretched out as a mystery over the course of a whole television season. In hindsight it makes all the alternate theories of Wells' real identity seem silly. This script has been online since before the show debuted.
Even more interesting is that in 2011 they wrote a film script for The Flash. http://www.superheromoviesnews.com/...-Marc-Guggenheim-The-Flash-Script-Review.html
All the basic ideas for Reverse Flash plotline this season they first developed there. That after killing Barry's mom it takes him 15 years to build a Particle Accelerator at S.T.A.R. Labs. Also that he trains Barry how to use his new powers. The only difference is that he does not take on the identity of Harrison Wells. He just works there under his real name of Eobard Thawne. Which makes sense. In a single film his real motivations would have been revealed by the end. Not stretched out as a mystery over the course of a whole television season. In hindsight it makes all the alternate theories of Wells' real identity seem silly. This script has been online since before the show debuted.
I didn't get that reference at all but Eobard showing his "suit ring" made me think Green Lantern immediately (on top of a very cool way to store his suit). Intentionally done?
As to the episode.. a good one on a personal level and props to Gustin for playing the desperation so well, he really was back up against the wall but storywise so many obvious holes for the story to work as desired that it left me disappointed and bored.
The episode was marred by a few things, first amongst is the clichee of moving superdangerous people while they're conscious. Damn.. there's tons of ways to render people unconscious without harmful side effects yet they come up with a complicated contraption that fails of course. Just keep them knocked out for a few hours until they're on the island (i'm pretty sure Caitlin could come up with something).
Second is the godawful Captain Cold character played by an even worse actor.. that character takes me back to the Batman & Robin days so bad. The on the nose references like playing "Cold as Ice" in the jukebox don't help at all.. if the producers think they're funny.. they're not
Last thing was the boss fight at the end.. maybe i'm demanding too much from a TV superhero show but i though the fight was especially dumb. We have an archer who wants to shoot a Speedster.. first dumb point (doesn't matter that it's Arrow who's shooting, a Speedster should be able to evade or simply outrun a simple arrow).
Then we have a flamer.. same applies as with Arrow.
Last is Barry who has the only remotely realistic chance of beating him but he's not in his league so doesn't stand a chance too.
Of course we all know that Wells wanted to be captured as it's the only logical way for the finale to work at all (which is still another clichee we've seen a dozen times). So the only saving grace is to wait to see what Wells is up to and how the finale will play out.
So while this episode is needed to get everybody in place for the finale it was still a mediocre effort.
Intentional but not for the reason you're thinking. Flash and Reverse Flash have a long history of keeping they're suits stored in a ring. It's a reference to the comic, not GL.
Wow... They totally turned their movie plot into a TV show. With a few adjustments here and there, to be sure, but in broad strokes, it's the same story. That's efficient. It's always cool when you get to find a new use for an unpublished/unmade story.
By the way, looking at those panel shots from the comics, I just realized... Rick Cosnett (Eddie) looks more like Barry Allen than Grant Gustin does.
No, the costume hidden in a ring has been the Flash's gimmick since the '60s. It's how Barry changed into and out of his Flash costume in the comics. Totally separate from the Green Lantern rings.
On the timeline questions of both Arrow and the Flash. I just saw posted on a fan site that the episode numbers for both shows were supposed to line up for airing. But the CW preempted the Flash one week more than expected and threw everything off. They listed no source for that so I am not sure if it is true. But it makes sense. The first crossovers were aired the same week and also the mid season breaks too. But now Arrow's finale is before the Flash.
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That's the assumption I've been working under. There was a week back in Feb or March where Arrow aired and Flash didn't. It might have been as far back as the State of the Union, but I can't recall if the shows were back from hiatus yet.
That's the assumption I've been working under. There was a week back in Feb or March where Arrow aired and Flash didn't. It might have been as far back as the State of the Union, but I can't recall if the shows were back from hiatus yet.
