should Kirk and Picard have battled in GEN?

[Khan 2.0]

Branga tweeted about GEN few hours ago

if you and RonDMoore could re-write ST: Generations now...what ideas/themes would be changed?

-Battle between Kirk and Picard. Better demise of Captain Kirk
https://twitter.com/BrannonBraga/status/597591136362889216

Seems most team up/crossovers result in a battle between leads (e.g. various Avengers fighting one another, Batman v Superman, Alien v Predator etc.) and there was always the 'whos better? Kirk or Picard' debate raging in the 90s and either Branga or Moore said at the time of GEN that he initial image they first got when thinking about a crossover movie was the 2 Enterprises locked in battle on the poster but they couldn't come up with a satisfactory idea here the 2 crews would be at odds..

there was a very slight element of it as Picard tries to convince Kirk to leave the nexus But maybe they shouldve come up with a proper battle somehow ( before they start to work together) ..as chopping wood/cooking eggs/horse riding charity show didn't really cut it

 

[T'Girl]

Maybe at the wood splitting scene ... Kirk kills Picard with the axe, and assumes command of the Enterprise.

Nice.

 

[Khan 2.0]

Kirk comes at Picard with the axe after being startled by him. Picard runs into the cabin locking himself in. Kirk axes the door down 'heres jimmy', Picard grabs a frying pan takes a fencing pose and parries Kirk axe assault several times before he throws a Katarian egg in Kirks face then runs up stairs as mad axeman Kirk gives chase. He opens the bedroom door into the stable and quickly mounts a horse as Kirk swings at him... as he gallops along pursued by Kirk, Picard wills himself back on the ENT-D and orders security to arrest soran in Ten Forward thus preventing everything. As he watches soran led away he looks out the window and sees some sort of special anomaly.. the Enterprise-A emerges from the rift and immediately opens fire on the Ent-D...

 

[BeatleJWOL]

Step away from the Saurian Brandy, buddy.

 

[2takesfrakes]

You know, if it was written so that Picard was trying desperately to prevent his hero and idol, Captain James T. Kirk from making the ultimate sacrifice to $ave the Galaxy, once more ... and they briefly fought for that reason ... that might've been cool! Even Spock had to incapacitate Bones to realise his own Kobyashi Maru scenario ...

 

[Nebusj]

Well ... but after our two heroes fight would they come to settle their differences and join forces to defeat the real foe? That would be a great twist!

 

[NeroShrimp]

I honestly don't think Kirk should battle Picard. Yes, it would be cool but in-universe...what's the point? Michael Bay I'm sure would have jumped at the chance to do something I'm sure.

 

[enterprisecvn65]

I don't know if they actually should have gotten into a fight.

I do think the scene would have had a little more drama though if it had been more than Kirk cooking eggs, talking about nailing some woman upstairs and riding a horse all while Picard begs like a little kid for him to come back and help him stop Soran.

A shouting match and a few swear words might have spiced it up a little.

 

[Lance]

I do think the scene would have had a little more drama though if it had been more than Kirk cooking eggs, talking about nailing some woman upstairs and riding a horse,

Well, as long as he didn't get them in the wrong order.

"... there's a beautiful horse upstairs, and I'm gonna ask her to marry me."

 

[Dukhat]

Branga tweeted about GEN few hours ago

if you and RonDMoore could re-write ST: Generations now...what ideas/themes would be changed?

-Battle between Kirk and Picard. Better demise of Captain Kirk
https://twitter.com/BrannonBraga/status/597591136362889216

Seems most team up/crossovers result in a battle between leads (e.g. various Avengers fighting one another, Batman v Superman, Alien v Predator etc.) and there was always the 'whos better? Kirk or Picard' debate raging in the 90s and either Branga or Moore said at the time of GEN that he initial image they first got when thinking about a crossover movie was the 2 Enterprises locked in battle on the poster but they couldn't come up with a satisfactory idea here the 2 crews would be at odds..

there was a very slight element of it as Picard tries to convince Kirk to leave the nexus But maybe they shouldve come up with a proper battle somehow ( before they start to work together) ..as chopping wood/cooking eggs/horse riding charity show didn't really cut it

Well it's comforting to know that Braga still has silly ideas for Trek years after the fact. This is right up there with "Future Guy was Archer."

 

[Turd Ferguson]

I'm not exactly sure what would've been an important enough issue for the two captains of the Enterprise to fight about, but it would've been a lot more badass had the Enterprise-A been the one to take out the Enterprise-D. I suppose maybe some sort of alien influence could've done it. Or some other "kewl" idea.

But how long do you think Kirk would have endured one of Picard's holier-than-thou speeches before locking all weapons and firing?

 

[WarpFactorZ]

I'm sorry, I just don't see it. Why would they fight? They're both Starfleet captains who are honorable and strive to do what's right. I can't think of a single issue on which they might disagree, let alone one strong enough to battle over. Furthermore, what does "battle" mean? A good ol' Kirk fist-fight? Maybe. But I hope they didn't mean the Ent-A engaging the Ent-D. Talk about no-win scenarios.

What we got in ST:Gen was the mildest of "Marvel team-ups". Having them "battle" each other would have cross the line to ludicrous.

 

[enterprisecvn65]

I do think the scene would have had a little more drama though if it had been more than Kirk cooking eggs, talking about nailing some woman upstairs and riding a horse,

Well, as long as he didn't get them in the wrong order.

"... there's a beautiful horse upstairs, and I'm gonna ask her to marry me."

Actually if he had said he was going to ask the horse to marry him and then saddled up Appolonia, or whatever her name was, and took her out for some riding and jumping, I think it would have made for a much more entertaining scene.

 

[enterprisecvn65]

Actually I think the scene should have been Kirk agreeing to help Picard but only if he stands as godfather to Kirk's newborn child.

So in the scene when the baby is being baptized and Kirk is renouncing Satan and evil, the original Enterprise crew is murdering all the TNG crew in cold blood.

Then when Picard and Kirk return to the Enterprise D and Picard sees what's happened Kirk tells him what he's done and that Picard is out as captain of the Enterprise and there's a shuttle craft waiting for him and when Picard gets in the shuttle craft Spock is waiting in the back seat and throttles Picard to death with piano wire.

 

[BeatleJWOL]

*backs out of thread quietly*

 

[eyeresist]

I'm not exactly sure what would've been an important enough issue for the two captains of the Enterprise to fight about, but it would've been a lot more badass had the Enterprise-A been the one to take out the Enterprise-D. I suppose maybe some sort of alien influence could've done it.

That would probably be the best way to do it - a delusion caused by telepathic mind control, or maybe holographic projections.

Another question: Would it be a fist fight or a starship battle? You couldn't really do both.

Although actually you could! Remember the ramming scene from NEM? Kirk's ship rams Picard's (or vice versa), then Kirk jumps right through the front of Picard's ruptured bridge and starts punching him! I want to see that.

 

[Trek Survivor]

It would have been far too 'contrived'. Glad they didn't do this.

 

[Makarov]

Sometimes contrived is good, I sure would have loved this. A space battle and also a 10 minute long fist fight choreographed by the stunt guys that made John Wick. Picard would imagine up a fencing sword and stab Kirk. I have no idea why they couldn't come up with a Kirk vs. Picard scenario, anyone with a beer and an afternoon to think about it could've done it.