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Violent Protests in Baltimore

Is the violence by Baltimore Protestors Justified?


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This is the part that gets lost in all the talk of "idiots" rioting and whatnot.

Freddie Gray was perfectly fine at the moment of his arrest, when he was put into that van.

When he left that van, his neck was broken and his larynx was crushed.

This. A group of citizens committed an act of violence against another citizen. That's a crime, right?

Not when the police do it, apparently.

There is a due process, whether the accused have badges or not. It takes some time for investigators to determine how Gray sustained his injuries and who, if anyone, is responsible.
 
Too bad taxpayers don't seem to care much when their/our money is used to pay out, y'know, multi-million dollar police brutality settlements.

Somebody should probably put a stop to all those abusive cops, you think?

I've already stated that ending the War on Drugs would do wonders to ending police brutality. I don't know what else you want me to say. If you have any suggestions I'm all ears.

For one thing, there needs to be near-total cultural awareness that racially-driven police abuse exists, and it is neither isolated nor rare, but essentially the status quo in many heavily-black cities and neighborhoods.

Too many people don't even seem to think this exists. You can't fix reality when you haven't even woken up to it yet.

This. A group of citizens committed an act of violence against another citizen. That's a crime, right?

Not when the police do it, apparently.

There is a due process, whether the accused have badges or not. It takes some time for investigators to determine how Gray sustained his injuries and who, if anyone, is responsible.

The "due process" you speak of is, in most parts of the US, a complete joke. That is, unless you believe 99% of all killings by police are justified.
 
Tit for tat. If the working poor have to follow stricter rules then so should everybody else getting handouts from the government. But that won't happen because Freedom™ or something.

I don't even know what you're talking about. What stricter rules do you suggest :everyone else" follow?
 
This. A group of citizens committed an act of violence against another citizen. That's a crime, right?

Not when the police do it, apparently.

There is a due process, whether the accused have badges or not. It takes some time for investigators to determine how Gray sustained his injuries and who, if anyone, is responsible.

From the Baltimore Sun article:

Discipline has not always been a priority for the Baltimore Police Department.

Three other members were charged in 2010 with kidnapping two city teens and leaving one in a Howard County state park without shoes, socks or his cellphone. A jury acquitted two officers of assault, kidnapping and false imprisonment but convicted them of misconduct.

In September 2012, the unit sparked outrage when a detective threw Anthony Anderson, 46, to the ground during a drug arrest. Anderson’s spleen ruptured, and he died a short time later.

The state medical examiner’s office said the death was a homicide caused by blunt force trauma. But Baltimore State’s Attorney Gregg Bernstein declined to bring charges, ruling that the officers did not use excessive force and followed police guidelines. The family filed a federal lawsuit, alleging that three detectives kicked Anderson for several minutes; the case is ongoing.
 
No, it's not something you can achieve. Not without a level of Big Brother-level policing of Food Stamp benefits that puts the lie to any notion that the proponents of "ending the War on Poverty" are champions of personal liberty and the individual making their own informed decisions. But then we already know that because many of the same people want to tell adult citizens who they can sleep with and marry, if they can use birth control and what substances they put into their own bodies.

If we descend into the kind of country that tells a Food Stamp recipient that they can't buy a steak of a bag of potato chips then we'll have more than deserved the leaders who conned us into passing that legislation.
 
Tit for tat. If the working poor have to follow stricter rules then so should everybody else getting handouts from the government. But that won't happen because Freedom™ or something.

I don't even know what you're talking about. What stricter rules do you suggest :everyone else" follow?

Everyone that receives taxpayer benefits should also be willing to be micromanaged.
 
But that has nothing to do with what is being talked about.

The thread is about police brutality. There are two different debates being had right now.

Y
ou want to micromanage the poor because they use taxpayer money but don't seem to have the same standard for yourself or government entities.

What do you mean? Should I not be allowed to buy myself a steak or luxury items because poor people who use my tax dollars shouldn't be able to buy luxury items with money that isn't theirs?
 
There is a due process, whether the accused have badges or not. It takes some time for investigators to determine how Gray sustained his injuries and who, if anyone, is responsible.

You are correct, but if the "due process" worked the same way for the Average Joe as it does for the police then there would be very few jails.

Tiger Devil Dog, every day you are using services paid for by other people. For example when you post, you are using electricity that is generated or transmitted by companies that are directly controlled by local governments or subsidized by the state - using my tax dollars. You are typing on a keyboard which was either built in the US by a company that received my tax dollars as a construction incentive or was shipped into the US through a port that is supported by my tax dollars and transported over roads supported by my tax dollars. I could go on, but I think you get the picture. At what point do I get to tell you how to live your life?

In any case...having a negative attitude towards those who circumstances cause them to need assistance does not help anyone, and can cause a person to regard the poor as less than human.
 
What do you mean? Should I not be allowed to buy myself a steak or luxury items because poor people who use my tax dollars shouldn't be able to buy luxury items with money that isn't theirs?

You use my tax money when you use the roads you drive on or the sidewalks you walk on. Why shouldn't I be able to micromanage your affairs?
 
For one thing, there needs to be near-total cultural awareness that racially-driven police abuse exists, and it is neither isolated nor rare, but essentially the status quo in many heavily-black cities and neighborhoods.

How do you suggest we reach this "near-total cultural awareness?"
 
What do you mean? Should I not be allowed to buy myself a steak or luxury items because poor people who use my tax dollars shouldn't be able to buy luxury items with money that isn't theirs?

You use my tax money when you use the roads you drive on or the sidewalks you walk on. Why shouldn't I be able to micromanage your affairs?

When I drive on roads there are rules that I have to follow, so my driving and walking habits are managed.
 
For one thing, there needs to be near-total cultural awareness that racially-driven police abuse exists, and it is neither isolated nor rare, but essentially the status quo in many heavily-black cities and neighborhoods.

How do you suggest we reach this "near-total cultural awareness?"

Looks to me like black people tearing shit up is doing a lot of the heavy lifting lately.

It's obvious that asking nicely, "please stop killing us," doesn't work.
 
It effectively becomes their money when it's transferred to the recipient, just likes all subsidies to both poor and rich in this country. You can complain and you can lobby your elected representatives to change the rules if there are enough people who think the way you do to get the politicians to listen, but once it's in their hands it stops being our business unless they do something horribly illegal and/or downright destructive to life and property with it.
 
What do you mean? Should I not be allowed to buy myself a steak or luxury items because poor people who use my tax dollars shouldn't be able to buy luxury items with money that isn't theirs?

You use my tax money when you use the roads you drive on or the sidewalks you walk on. Why shouldn't I be able to micromanage your affairs?

When I drive on roads there are rules that I have to follow, so my driving and walking habits are managed.

There are already rules that people who are on Food Stamps have to follow. A little research on your end could be helpful in your understanding of, really, any issue you talk about.
 
For one thing, there needs to be near-total cultural awareness that racially-driven police abuse exists, and it is neither isolated nor rare, but essentially the status quo in many heavily-black cities and neighborhoods.

How do you suggest we reach this "near-total cultural awareness?"

Looks to me like black people tearing shit up is doing a lot of the heavy lifting lately.

It's obvious that asking nicely, "please stop killing us," doesn't work.

So black people looting and stealing and destroying private property is going to fix this problem? Interesting
 
There are already rules that people who are on Food Stamps have to follow. A little research on your end could be helpful in your understanding of, really, any issue you talk about.

If they can use food stamps to buy anything other than basic nutritional needs then there obviously aren't enough rules.
 
But not doing what you think the cops want you to do, i.e., tearing stuff up in your own neighborhood, might garner more sympathy.
What if, once in the neighborhoods, the protesters simply sat down and refused to move? No violent motions. Just sitting there, silent as the dead?
 
Food Stamp abuse and fraud comprise such a small minority of program users that it's just another red herring used by cultural conservatives to create scapegoats and draw attention away from far more endemic and systematic abuse of federal funds by people with real power and influence. Most Food Stamp cheats and abusers are caught and properly punished for breaking the rules and the law.

Buying shrimp cocktail or an expensive frozen pizza with Food Stamps should never be a violation of those rules and laws.
 
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