JJ Abrams leaving Star Trek for Star Wars

[Dales]

I fully understand why he did it. I would have loved to see him come back for star trek 3 and even repair some of the errors of star trek into darkness but I get he is no longer coming back.


I remember long ago about 2 1/2 years ago Abrams said he had no interest in star wars 7 and wont direct it because he was loyal to star trek and because there will be too much pressure and he rather be the fan that he is than be the maker.

so why the change of heart? I think it makes so much sense why Abram's left trek for wars. star wars is just too huge. the trailer has had like 88 million views in one day. its all everyone is talking about, its a massive pop culture event and the media and people all over the world are at the edge of their sits begging and eating up any little information about the film that Disney and JJ Abrams is releasing.

For a director like Abram it must be very fun to be the head of a film that is having that much impact on people and the world.

JJ Abrams is getting a unique power in film as the guy who is calling the shots of the biggest franchise ever and maybe the biggest film of all time come December 2017. a power he never had with star trek and this is why I believe he left star trek for star wars.

I don't know how I feel about it. I like both series but its like no one care Star Trek 3 is coming out anymore, its all about star wars now and even the ones that I speak to on IMDB about star trek 3 , all they talk about is how they hate star trek into darkness and how they have their expectations lowered for star trek 3 because they did not like star trek into darkness.

For a guy like JJ Abrams it must be a relief for him that he is directing star wars 7 and not star trek 3. If Abrams was the director of Star Trek 3, I don't think Abrams would have been able to handled how star wars 7 is easily overshadowing all things star trek 3 especially when he was given the opportunity to direct star wars 7 but turned it down to make star trek 3. So Abrmas chose the franchise that gets the money, power, the cool factor, the popularity and attention and that is star wars.

Having said all this. I don't think star wars 7 will be as good as star trek 2009 but I think the film will be fantastic in its own rights.

 

[BillJ]

You do realize that The Force Awakens releases eight months before Star Trek 3? Of course people are talking about it, it is just around the corner.

 

[Khan 2.0]

if Abrams hadn't left Trek we'd be probably getting Orcis Shatner script

 

[Dales]

You do realize that The Force Awakens releases eight months before Star Trek 3? Of course people are talking about it, it is just around the corner.

I know but please lets not pretend that star wars and star trek gets the same kind of attention. that has never been the case in the history of their rivalry. star wars always overpowered star trek even when they released bad films like attack of the clones and phantom menace, those films still out grossed the most beloved and the highest acclaimed star trek films.

star wars is a world wide phenomenon star trek is a cult phenomenon that is still gaining its place for a world wide audience.

we are talking of star wars here. Episode 7 may be the third film to cross the 2 billion dollar mark. and may be the highest grossing film in USA history. that is how insane and big the film would be.

Us star trek fans are praying that star trek 3 will gross 500 million worldwide. for its entire run at the box office. the same 500 million that yahoo just predicted that star wars 7 will make on its opening weakened at the world wide box office. if star wars 7 fails the impact will be huge in pop culture and many people will loose their minds. if star trek 3 fails no one will care that much minus us fans.

star trek is huge in its own rights don't get me wrong but star wars is barely touchable. its like once star wars 7 was announced 2 1/2 years ago everyone forgot about star trek and star trek into darkness didn't help things much either so it is no surprise abrams quickly jumped ship.

 

[Jedi_Master]

When nuTrek 3 is closer to being released, it will get plenty of attention.

 

[Dales]

When nuTrek 3 is closer to being released, it will get plenty of attention.

I hope so. I hope people give nu trek 3 a second chance after all the negative energy that was put in the media about star trek into darkness.

I also hope by then the superhero bubble will have burst open and people will choose space and sci fi rather than another superhero film as we have like 4-5 superhero films coming out in 2016

 

[BillJ]

I know but please lets not pretend that star wars and star trek gets the same kind of attention. that has never been the case in the history of their rivalry. star wars always overpowered star trek even when they released bad films like attack of the clones and phantom menace, those films still out grossed the most beloved and the highest acclaimed star trek films.

Then what exactly was the point of this thread? Whether Into Darkness is liked or not has nothing to do with Star Wars getting attention.

If Into Darkness had done a billion dollars, people would still be talking about The Force Awakens.

 

[mos6507]

The point I guess is the perennial inferiority complex that Trek fans seem to have.

 

[Jedi_Master]

When nuTrek 3 is closer to being released, it will get plenty of attention.

I hope so. I hope people give nu trek 3 a second chance after all the negative energy that was put in the media about star trek into darkness.

Well, to be honest, they will be giving Star Trek 3 a first chance as it will be a newly released film.

In addition, the vast majority of the coverage of STiD was positive, so the media has not poisoned the well.

 

[Cyke101]

Abrams is still producing ST13. It's not like he completely abandoned ship. He was involved with hiring Justin Lin as well.

To wit, he's listed as a producer, not an executive producer, which tends to have a much more vague job description. Producers tend to be much more involved in the planning process than an exec producer.

On a side note, ST and SW don't have much interaction generally, aside from ILM. Frankly, I think it's great that the latest addition to this cross-pollination just happens to be someone in a leadership position for both of them, rather than someone who happened to play Storm Trooper #6/Background Klingon Warrior.

 

[Dales]

I know but please lets not pretend that star wars and star trek gets the same kind of attention. that has never been the case in the history of their rivalry. star wars always overpowered star trek even when they released bad films like attack of the clones and phantom menace, those films still out grossed the most beloved and the highest acclaimed star trek films.

Then what exactly was the point of this thread? Whether Into Darkness is liked or not has nothing to do with Star Wars getting attention.

If Into Darkness had done a billion dollars, people would still be talking about The Force Awakens.

Into darkness is symbolic fo 3 reasons

1.It was the last big film Abram's did

2. the film was in post production when it was announced that Abram will be leaving trek for wars and most of the interviews of STID that Abrams did, the reporters seem more interested in talking about star wars than star trek

3. STID had none of the good will and love that star trek 2009 got anD the film was met with its fair share of controversy that paramount is now making another soft reboot because they want a completely different direction from what into darkness was and they started by firing Orci.

Why I brought up into darkrness is because I personally feel the film killed the the good will and momentum of star trek 2009 and it is the last film in people's mind about anything star trek in the media and that is not that good of a thing because star trek'S biggest rival (star wars) is returning with a big bang that is about to blow up all things with the word star set in space.

 

[Jedi_Master]

3. STID had none of the good will and love that star trek 2009 got anD the film was met with its fair share of controversy that paramount is now making another soft reboot because they want a completely different direction from what into darkness was and they started by firing Orci.

Why I brought up into darkrness is because I personally feel the film killed the the good will and momentum of star trek 2009 and it is the last film in people's mind about anything star trek in the media and that is not that good of a thing because star trek'S biggest rival (star wars) is returning with a big bang that is about to blow up all things with the word star set in space.

Continually repeating these kind of assertions does not make them more accurate or truthful.

 

[Cyke101]

3. STID had none of the good will and love that star trek 2009 got anD the film was met with its fair share of controversy that paramount is now making another soft reboot because they want a completely different direction from what into darkness was and they started by firing Orci.

Why I brought up into darkrness is because I personally feel the film killed the the good will and momentum of star trek 2009 and it is the last film in people's mind about anything star trek in the media and that is not that good of a thing because star trek'S biggest rival (star wars) is returning with a big bang that is about to blow up all things with the word star set in space.

Wait, what? Was there some sort of scientific poll conducted to show this drop of good will? There was a large amount of hype going into the movie. And while reviews weren't quite as strong as ST09, we're not talking about a TVH/TFF size drop here -- the movie was still profitable, still well-received critically (personally, I disagree, but I'm not everyone), and still hit Paramount's goals enough to greenlight a third movie. If anything, it's been a long, long time since Trek has seen two movies back-to-back maintain a level of profit consistency.

There was a ton of skepticism before ST09 -- the idea of a reboot, recasting our favorites, getting the writers from Transformers, etc, all for a franchise whose last movie and TV show were seen as failures. ST09 had more obstacles to overcome than STID, but seeing ST09 overcome all of them helped generate that goodwill. STID didn't have to concern itself with those obstacles anymore and proceeded accordingly. The execution wasn't the best, but it didn't turn audiences against the movie in droves, either. It still succeeded.

 

[BillJ]

For the failure of epic proportions some think Star Trek Into Darkness is, I'm always surprised how well the movie rates at places like Netflix and Rotten Tomatoes.

 

[Jedi_Master]

For the failure of epic proportions some think Star Trek Into Darkness is, I'm always surprised how well the movie rates at places like Netflix and Rotten Tomatoes.

Please don't say that - you'll attract BigJake.

 

[BillJ]

For the failure of epic proportions some think Star Trek Into Darkness is, I'm always surprised how well the movie rates at places like Netflix and Rotten Tomatoes.

Please don't say that - you'll attract BigJake.

It doesn't mean the movie is perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but it does seem that there are a heck of a lot of folks that do enjoy it.

 

[Malaika]

JJ didn't leave star trek for star wars. He's just being his usual self in that he never remains attached to the same project for too long. Never did as a writer, even less as a director. (in many ways it's wise) But he is still a producer.
Even if he wasn't offered to direct star wars, there was no one saying that he'd absolutely direct the last trek movie (even though I wish he did ) and the fact that he actually directed stid too was already surprising for some (who know his 'start them successful and then leave them to others' style).
In fact, he had already decided he won't direct star wars 8 (the rumor that he might direct the last movie of that trilogy is, so far, just that: a rumor and wild speculation)

I might add, he was probably more free with the star trek reboot than with star wars even though he was a writer too there.
Anyway, the two franchises are different. Of course star wars will get attention and hype since it's soon to get released. We don't know in advance how it will go in terms of critics, fans and boxoffice but either way, it has nothing to do with next trek movie nor it's its big 'rival' in the genre at the moment. If anything, it's star wars that is taking the biggest risk right now, for me, because theirs is the first movie of a possible trilogy and it's hard in this time to propose something truly new and unique all the while making a sequel of the old.
Franchises like Trek and Marvel or Fast&Furious already have their big successful movies from these last years.

 

[Nebusj]

For the failure of epic proportions some think Star Trek Into Darkness is, I'm always surprised how well the movie rates at places like Netflix and Rotten Tomatoes.

Yes, but if you don't count the people who liked Into Darkness and if you ignore the people who didn't care much about Into Darkness one way or another, then you find there's almost nobody who liked Into Darkness or was even indifferent to it! There's just this almost unanimous group of people who disliked it for one reason or another. How can the franchise recover from that?

 

[Jedi_Master]

For the failure of epic proportions some think Star Trek Into Darkness is, I'm always surprised how well the movie rates at places like Netflix and Rotten Tomatoes.

Yes, but if you don't count the people who liked Into Darkness and if you ignore the people who didn't care much about Into Darkness one way or another, then you find there's almost nobody who liked Into Darkness or was even indifferent to it! There's just this almost unanimous group of people who disliked it for one reason or another. How can the franchise recover from that?

Horrors! Just remember that same group of people took a poll at some unnamed sci-fi convention and everyone they polled agreed with them.
That's science and facts man. Science and facts.

 

[Starbreaker]

Please do not mistake bitching on the internet with the general movie-going public. Star Trek Into Darkness made several hundred million dollars and was mostly critically acclaimed. Home Video sales were $50,00,000+. That's why they're making another one.

Star Wars hasn't had any screen presence in a decade. It's going to be popular. It's always going to be a bigger franchise. It's going to make $1 billion. It doesn't mean there won't be a Star Trek 3. It doesn't mean you can't enjoy both.