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California's Water Crisis

So I just ran across some data about water usage in California that changes the picture a little. It turns out that the 80% and 20% figures we've been seeing exclude water used for environmental purposes...

Maintaining stream flow for fish, say. But your report that this water is excluded from consumption calculations is an important piece of info. I didn't know it was true, and suspect most of the public doesn't either. A lot of statistical data seems to work that way, with "excluded" stuff you aren't told about.
 
As Agriculture makes a huge pile of money for the state, the government is hardly expected to "kill the golden goose" unless the situation gets absolutely apocalyptic..

Giving agriculture preferential treatment isn't just about economics, it's about necessity. California is a huge provider of food for the rest of the country. It would have a huge effect on the country if CA agriculture had to cut water the same as everyone else. Now, that doesn't mean that I think ag should get a complete pass. I think it makes sense to reduce growth of crops like alfalfa that can be grown anywhere and focus on crops that don't do well in other places.

Would say cutting production by say 5% and the resulting use of less water have that serious an impact to availability? Sure cost might go up because there is less of it available.

Well, that depends on what crop you're talking about. I'm sure some crops it would have very little impact because other places can easily pick up the slack and/or have very elastic markets. Other crops not so much. Nuts, for example, might see significant price increases. It takes a long time to get an orchard planted and in production, so those crops can't easily move other places. Alfalfa, on the other hand, grows well just about everywhere and the first crop can be harvested within a few months after planting. Losing 5% production in CA would have very little impact for alfalfa.
 
ETA: This is a city in the Mojave Desert. (I believe it's Barstow, I'm not 100% sure.)

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It's Cathedral City. 30-40 years ago, it used to be where all of the domestic help for the rich people in Palm Springs lived, plus the retail and service employees who worked in the stores, restaurants, hotels, country clubs. Now it's expanded to become an upper-middle class suburb.

Also: Where are all our posters from California?!
I only found out about the thread today.

Stillsuits?
You think Californians would rather drink their own piss than cut down their almond consumption? :p
It's not the Californians doing all of the consuming, though. We grow shit here for everywhere.

If almonds are a big part of the problem, then read about how messed-up things are where pistachios are concerned. Someone upthread mentioned how the water laws are a nightmare; well the people in this article are practically a law unto themselves:

The Resnicks bought this land from Mobil and Chevron decades ago, and transformed the oil-stained desert into lush farmland filled with hundreds of miles of leafy green almond and pistachio orchards. The trees are planted with space-age precision—a perfect grid as far as the eye can see, whose countless rows recede endlessly in the horizon. At the center of it all is a giant factory with rows and rows of gleaming metallic silos where the company preps, packages and distributes its foodstuffs.

The scale of their farm numbs the mind. It’s a small self-sufficient settlement and includes its own small airport—how else do you expect Oligarch Valley farmers to get around? And this piece of farmland is only one small part of a diversified global agribusiness operation that brings in nearly $3 billion in revenue a year.

But here’s the fun part: the continued economic viability of this piece of Oligarch Valley depends on Iran being kept in a state of a permanent economic blockade.

It depends on it so much that the Resnicks have joined forces with raving neocons and hardcore right-wingers, funding thinktanks and lobbyists that hype the Iranian threat and push all out war.

I stumbled onto Stewart and Lynda Resnick almost as soon as I started investigating California’s billionaire-dominated public water system. The Oligarch Valley family that had made an easy $74 million selling water to the desert subprime suburb of Victorville was closely connected to the Resnicks.
Both families owned shares of the Kern County Water Bank, a natural aquifer at the southernmost edge of the Central Valley that had been converted into a privatized water-storage facility.

The water bank was designed by California’s Department of Water Resources to function as an emergency reservoir. In wet years, it would collect excess water shipped down the California Aqueduct from Northern California and hold enough water to keep Los Angeles hydrated nearly two years in case of prolonged drought. The water bank was supposed to serve as a last-line defense to protect urban users. But in 1995 California water bureaucrats tweaked a couple of arcane water regulations and handed the water bank over to a small clique of Oligarch Valley landlords.

Once water entered the water bank, it stopped being a public resource. From that point, the owner could sell it to the highest bidder. “This means they become middlemen making profits on state-supplied water,” reported Redding’s paper Record Searchlight. “If they choose to, they can dry up vast areas of productive agriculture and ship the water to municipalities south of the Tehachapi range.”

Stewart Resnick masterminded the scheme, and emerged with a majority stake in the new Kern County Water Bank. In fact, the Resnicks dominated and controlled the water bank so thoroughly that it’s become a de facto extension of their private agribusiness.

Resnick’s scheme did more than privatize a single piece of public infrastructure. It created a novel legal framework that gave Oligarch Valley famers the power to create non-existent water out of thin air. Resnick created “paper water.”
 
I've posted this in the global warming thread first but then figured I might as well turn it into its own thread:

What do people think about the drought in California?

I don't really see an easy fix since this is a huge mess that's been a long time coming.

Too many people.
Too much water being consumed.
Way too much agriculture.
Almonds.

San Diego is getting a new desalination plant but it's not like that's going to help a lot. It's very expensive (80% more expensive than regular water supply) and is only going to cover a small amount (7%) of water consumption in San Diego County.

It's easy to blame the fact that having way too many people move into a state that's essentially a desert turned out to be an issue. But private household consumption only amounts to around 20% (I think?) of total water consumption in California.
Per capita water use is still around double that of Maine, mainly due to lawn watering.

But the agriculture seems like an even bigger issue. Almonds in particular are an incredibly water-intensive industry.

There isn't much they can do at the moment. Several years ago they were talking about a pipeline to the Great Lakes and were thinking of pumping water from there but Michigan rightfully said no. They will have to conserve and not waste water until it rains or they fins some large aquifers. They shouldn't have waited so long though. The crisis is very near now.
 
Drill deep. Very deep. Wasn't there some report on a vast underground water source deep below the Earth's crust, but above Mantle? Or an I remembering something wrong (or was that just below the ocean floor?)
 
Drill deep. Very deep. Wasn't there some report on a vast underground water source deep below the Earth's crust, but above Mantle? Or an I remembering something wrong (or was that just below the ocean floor?)
Beneath the Chesapeake Bay region, if I remember correctly.

There's still a problem of transport, though. The East Coast/Northeast has, of late—even without taking that sub-subterranean aquifer into account—had a surplus of water, but there exists today no means of moving said surplus to places where there's a water deficit. Oil can be moved all over the place, and so can natural gas, but not water.

I've seen the beginnings of dialogue about a system which could facilitate such transfer of water resources, but that really needs to become an actuality - not just intracontinentally, but globally. It would need to be managed carefully—it was recently brought to my attention that even areas with a relatively high annual rainfall (such as Florida) can and do undergo periods of drought, and that must be allowed for—but it's a thing which is technologically possible now.
 
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Yahoo Exclusive: William Shatner’s $30 Billion Kickstarter Campaign to Save California

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“California’s in the midst of a 4-year-old drought,” he said. “They tell us there’s a year’s supply of water left. If it doesn’t rain next year, what do 20 million people in the breadbasket of the world do? In a place that’s the fifth-largest GDP — if California were a country, it’d be fifth in line — we’re about to be arid! What do you do about it?”

Here’s the plan:

“So I’m starting a Kickstarter campaign. I want $30 billion … to build a pipeline like the Alaska pipeline. Say, from Seattle — a place where there’s a lot of water. There’s too much water. How bad would it be to get a large, 4-foot pipeline, keep it aboveground — because if it leaks, you’re irrigating!”

And where would this water pipeline go?

“Bring it down here and fill one of our lakes! Lake Mead!”

I was a little skeptical. It didn’t sound doable. The political hassles, the fights with local towns, the environmental impact…

“No, it’s simple,” Shatner replied. “They did it in Alaska — why can’t they do it along Highway 5? This whole area’s about to go under!”

Shatner conceded that even if he’s not able to raise the money, the effort will at least raise consciousness about the severity of California’s drought.

“If I don’t make 30 billion, I’ll give the money to a politician who says, ‘I’ll build it.’ Obviously, it’s to raise awareness that something more than just closing your tap … so why not a pipeline?”
 
I have always liked the pipeline idea, although my first suggestion would be to tap into those areas that are hard hit by annual flooding. The Dakota river basin is often hit as the the Mississippi river valley (if I'm not mistaken). There must be many others that would benefit from a forced water removal system, and why not move the water to Mead, Powell, etc?

I don't know enough about the Seattle idea.
 
It's a lot easier and cheaper to build a pipeline from Seattle than from somewhere in the midwest. A pipeline from the midwest would be a lot longer and would go over numerous high mountain ranges. Building it would be a lot harder and more expensive, and moving the water would cost a lot more because of all the pumping that would be necessary.
 
Big public works project, should provide some employment. Good all around.
 
Oregon and Washington citizens will say "absolutely not" and tell California where to stick their pipe.
 
But, like Dennis said, if there is money to be made, and also what he said about Public Works and Jobs. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, but I am sure greater and more influential minds than I are hard at work. Would not be surprised if something were worked out with states to the north, or maybe even into Canada...again, if there is money to be made...

...and, in the Immortal words of Doc Brown, "...(this is) some serious shit!"

...and, it is...
 
Oregonians and Washitonians have been pissed off with California over water already. They will not want an unsightly pipeline, nor to give water to California. Nor will it produce enough jobs to satify the voters, nor would it be finished within ten years given normal practice. Unless mandated by the Federal government like the New Deal era projects, it won't be done if the local voters have any say in the matter.
 
I believe Washington State and Oregon use prior appropriation to determine water rights. Under such a system, California may simply be able to purchase water rights from the current owners in those states.

Washington State and Oregon could try to block the sales, but it would be a tricky court battle (likely leading to some major changes in water rights in the west if those states were to win).

Also, it's not as if California has no leverage in this situation. I'm not sure what the functional or legal difference would be between an embargo on water sales and an embargo on sales of fruits and vegetables. My guess is that Washington State and Oregon need California's fruits and vegetables (and other goods) just as much as California needs Washington State and Oregon water. It seems likely that the federal government or the courts would force a water sale if it were the only way to prevent a trade war between two or more states.
 
So, then, "Water World II, the Quest for Quench"

...anybody seen Costner lately?...no?
 
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/21/tech/innovation/drought-water-tech/

There's a lot of tech that can be used along with conservation to fix the problem. Ultimately there will never be a drinking water shortage, though argiculture is going to take time to work on.

http://www.engineering.com/Designer...n-Water-Distillation--A-Moonshot-Project.aspx

A September 2013 article from Coca Cola talks about their Ekocenters, modular kiosks built around Slingshot units to bring clean water and basic necessities to the developing world. The plan is that by 2015, 100 million Liters of clean safe water will be delivered to 45,000 people across 20 countries.
 
But here’s the fun part: the continued economic viability of this piece of Oligarch Valley depends on Iran being kept in a state of a permanent economic blockade.

Hmm...Is Iran a major pistachio nut producer?
 
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