Will they go back to primeTrek after nuTrek finishes?.
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Since the question which originally prompted the tangent:
can be presumed to have been pretty thoroughly answered, I think we can now safely leave it behind and return to the main topic (such as it is.)
Trekkies are hipsters in a way anyway. We liked Trek before Abrams made it cool!
(okay, I'll stop)
But anyway, back on topic, I don't see the movies returning to Prime Trek, but I wouldn't necessarily be surprised if a TV series did, though it seems on one level counterintuitive, if a new TV show is to rope in the JJTrek audience.
Additionally, would there be much incentive anyway? I'd like a return, but I'm part of the minority, a minority that Paramount probably believes is already catered to by the EU such as the novels, comics, and games. As it is, JJTrek rules the day.
Though, I would be pretty irritated if Trek took on the Agents of Shield route, where it's a spinoff of the movies but the characters spend a strange amount of time name-dropping Kirk and Co., trying to make the audience believe that they're all colleagues.
Agreed. The AOS is so boring also. Its just a big commercial for the superior movies.
Star Trek has been rebooted numerous times. 1) Where No Man Has Gone Before rebooted the Cage. 2) The series itself rebooted the pilots. 3) TMP was a reboot, with a radical redesign of the Enterprise, and a radical redesign of the Klingons (subsequently retconned in Enterprise). 4) TWOK was a reboot of TMP. 5)TNG was a reboot. 6)DS9 was a reboot. 7)Voyager was a reboot. 8)Enterprise was a reboot, and came under fire for 'violating canon' by many fans (or did people forget that?) 9) Abrams's films were a reboot.
And never once did the series go back to the way it was previously. It moved on, and evolved. This is what Trek is at the moment. The 'Prime Universe', as though the last 50 years of Trek have always been perfectly consistent and planned out in advance, is gone. It isn't coming back. It's been gone ten years now, on screen.
You're just as likely to see Pierce Brosnan come back for the next Bond film. That era is over. It's not going to happen . If the series comes back to TV, it will be a continuation of the Abrams series, or yet another reboot.
And never once did the series go back to the way it was previously. It moved on, and evolved. This is what Trek is at the moment. The 'Prime Universe', as though the last 50 years of Trek have always been perfectly consistent and planned out in advance, is gone. It isn't coming back. It's been gone ten years now, on screen.
You're just as likely to see Pierce Brosnan come back for the next Bond film. That era is over. It's not going to happen . If the series comes back to TV, it will be a continuation of the Abrams series, or yet another reboot.
That's another point - even if they went back to the original continuity, the nitpickers would freak at every perceived continuity violation. Remember the fuss the updated Andorian makeup caused in 2001? It's pretty much exactly the same fuss the Klingon update in 2013 caused. Makeup effects have moved on, don't expect Ferengi or Cardassians to look any more like they did in the 90's than Andorians or Klingons do.
And then you get to the in-universe stuff - TOS, the classic movies and the new ones zip around the galaxy like it's nothing, but the Voyager TV series presents crossing the galaxy as a lifelong journey. Both are canon, but whichever version a new Trek adheres to, nitpickers will freak out that it's the "wrong" one. Was first contact with the Ferengi or Borg during TNG or ENT? Will future writers care any more than the previous ones did?
Long story short, nitpickers will not enjoy the next incarnation of Trek, no matter what
And then you get to the in-universe stuff - TOS, the classic movies and the new ones zip around the galaxy like it's nothing, but the Voyager TV series presents crossing the galaxy as a lifelong journey. Both are canon, but whichever version a new Trek adheres to, nitpickers will freak out that it's the "wrong" one. Was first contact with the Ferengi or Borg during TNG or ENT? Will future writers care any more than the previous ones did?
Long story short, nitpickers will not enjoy the next incarnation of Trek, no matter what
I don't care about the movies, but I do like the series.
If we want more Trek, a TV series and movie series that actively feed into each other would certainly be more sustainable than what they did with the old movies.
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That's another point - even if they went back to the original continuity, the nitpickers would freak at every perceived continuity violation. Remember the fuss the updated Andorian makeup caused in 2001? It's pretty much exactly the same fuss the Klingon update in 2013 caused. Makeup effects have moved on, don't expect Ferengi or Cardassians to look any more like they did in the 90's than Andorians or Klingons do.
And then you get to the in-universe stuff - TOS, the classic movies and the new ones zip around the galaxy like it's nothing, but the Voyager TV series presents crossing the galaxy as a lifelong journey. Both are canon, but whichever version a new Trek adheres to, nitpickers will freak out that it's the "wrong" one. Was first contact with the Ferengi or Borg during TNG or ENT? Will future writers care any more than the previous ones did?
Long story short, nitpickers will not enjoy the next incarnation of Trek, no matter what
THIS!
Long story short, nitpickers will not enjoy the next incarnation of Trek, no matter what
Very, very true.
Since Doctor Who keeps getting brought up as to what a successful revival (rather than reboot) looks like, there's still a contingent of Classic series fans who can't stop finding faults in the new series in regards to continuity with the old. The same will happen with Trek.
I'd like a return to the prime timeline, but it's not a dealbreaker. I'm going to watch it regardless and then judge. But truth be told, the way the JJmovies have handled previous references has been fairly consistent; considering that those references don't need to be made in the first place. So to me it's as if they're taking an extra step to recall the wider Trek world.
That's another point - even if they went back to the original continuity, the nitpickers would freak at every perceived continuity violation. Remember the fuss the updated Andorian makeup caused in 2001? It's pretty much exactly the same fuss the Klingon update in 2013 caused. Makeup effects have moved on, don't expect Ferengi or Cardassians to look any more like they did in the 90's than Andorians or Klingons do.
And then you get to the in-universe stuff - TOS, the classic movies and the new ones zip around the galaxy like it's nothing, but the Voyager TV series presents crossing the galaxy as a lifelong journey. Both are canon, but whichever version a new Trek adheres to, nitpickers will freak out that it's the "wrong" one. Was first contact with the Ferengi or Borg during TNG or ENT? Will future writers care any more than the previous ones did?
Long story short, nitpickers will not enjoy the next incarnation of Trek, no matter what
There was fuss over the Andorians? I guess I don't remember those complaints as much as all the others. I thought the Andorians looked good.
About the continuity, what if they just approached it with broad strokes? Maybe rewrite the parts that don't work out, or just ignore them if possible. I realize a lot of nitpickers couldn't handle this, but I'd be OK with that style of reboot if they were up front about it.
That's another point - even if they went back to the original continuity, the nitpickers would freak at every perceived continuity violation. Remember the fuss the updated Andorian makeup caused in 2001? It's pretty much exactly the same fuss the Klingon update in 2013 caused. Makeup effects have moved on, don't expect Ferengi or Cardassians to look any more like they did in the 90's than Andorians or Klingons do.
And then you get to the in-universe stuff - TOS, the classic movies and the new ones zip around the galaxy like it's nothing, but the Voyager TV series presents crossing the galaxy as a lifelong journey. Both are canon, but whichever version a new Trek adheres to, nitpickers will freak out that it's the "wrong" one. Was first contact with the Ferengi or Borg during TNG or ENT? Will future writers care any more than the previous ones did?
Long story short, nitpickers will not enjoy the next incarnation of Trek, no matter what
Being a nitpicker is a trekkers birthright and its fun to discuss things like that. Us nitpickers enjoy things we just spend a lot of time talking about the finer points that may not seem right. So what it doesn't make us bad people.
That's another point - even if they went back to the original continuity, the nitpickers would freak at every perceived continuity violation. Remember the fuss the updated Andorian makeup caused in 2001? It's pretty much exactly the same fuss the Klingon update in 2013 caused. Makeup effects have moved on, don't expect Ferengi or Cardassians to look any more like they did in the 90's than Andorians or Klingons do.
And then you get to the in-universe stuff - TOS, the classic movies and the new ones zip around the galaxy like it's nothing, but the Voyager TV series presents crossing the galaxy as a lifelong journey. Both are canon, but whichever version a new Trek adheres to, nitpickers will freak out that it's the "wrong" one. Was first contact with the Ferengi or Borg during TNG or ENT? Will future writers care any more than the previous ones did?
Long story short, nitpickers will not enjoy the next incarnation of Trek, no matter what
Being a nitpicker is a trekkers birthright and its fun to discuss things like that. Us nitpickers enjoy things we just spend a lot of time talking about the finer points that may not seem right. So what it doesn't make us bad people.
Just to chime in, I've noticed that there are two kinds of nitpickers: those who nitpick because they gleefully enjoy the product (Phil Farrand's Nitpicker's Guide series to Trek is obviously done out of love of rewatching each episode several times), and those who nitpick in order to bring it down. I'm much more of a fan of the former.
Nitpicking can be fun, as a party game, but it helps to keep a sense of perspective, as well as one's eye on the bigger picture.
Does it make sense that Khan's followers are all blond, Aryan types in THE WRATH OF KHAN? Nope. Is that consistent with what we saw in "Space Seed"? Absolutely not.
Does it spoil the movie? Or ruin the experience of watching it? Not in the least.
Does it make sense that Khan's followers are all blond, Aryan types in THE WRATH OF KHAN? Nope. Is that consistent with what we saw in "Space Seed"? Absolutely not.
Does it spoil the movie? Or ruin the experience of watching it? Not in the least.
Depends what you mean by NuTrek
If you're talking about the time line, I don't think it would make much difference to the quality of whatever new show we get but I think it might have an impact on Trek's reputation.
In other words, this show is so adaptive, so progressive, so creative, so God damn awesome that it can wipe out it's entire televisual history and start all over again
That's how we roll
If you're talking about the time line, I don't think it would make much difference to the quality of whatever new show we get but I think it might have an impact on Trek's reputation.
In other words, this show is so adaptive, so progressive, so creative, so God damn awesome that it can wipe out it's entire televisual history and start all over again
That's how we roll
Case closed. I couldn't agree more. It would confuse casual viewers that were not into Prime Trek (and most of the people I speak to these days who've watched and loved the new movies are just that) at the very least. I just can't see it happening. It would be like them resurrecting a Batman TV show based after 'Batman and Robin' (and that's not a diss on Prime Trek but you get what I'm saying)
Why would it confuse the casual viewer? The old trek is still out there and so are the spin off series the last one which ended only 10 years ago. Unless new fans are only 10 I think most know about the prime universe. I would guess that new fans in their teens or 20s so they surely know what Prime Trek is and anyone older who never watched trek know about the old show anyway. Also NuTrek got its start from the prime universe so I think they will understand. With that said I am not sure where trek will be headed after the abrams movies. Either they will recast if the current actors don't want to continue or they will reboot TNG for the big screen. I don't think paramount will make a small screen trek again because it is to expensive no matter what universe they would use.
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Yes, I agree, nitpicking can be fun as long as it is meant in fun.
When some nitpick simply because something doesn't fit their view of what perfect (insert favorite franchise here) is, all they are seeking to do is piss down on the heads of everyone else (who enjoyed whatever the malcontents are nitpicking) , and call it warm rain.
When some nitpick simply because something doesn't fit their view of what perfect (insert favorite franchise here) is, all they are seeking to do is piss down on the heads of everyone else (who enjoyed whatever the malcontents are nitpicking) , and call it warm rain.
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