The Walking Dead Season 5
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I just assumed Glenn made it back safe. Hell, based on his actions tonight, nothing out there is a threat to him, so yeah, he's fine. I wouldn't be shocked if season 6 starts with the old "one month later" and we see everyone much more adjusted to ASZ life, Fr Gabriel acting like a Fr again, Carol and Sasha giving people shooting lessons, etc.
So now it's safe to assume that Enid is not affiliated at all with the Wolves. They seemed to be discovering the ASZ via pictures. As for whether or not they pose any threat to the ASZ, lets keep in mind that they were able to overrun Noah's old community. They have some skills and some cleverness, even if they don't have brute force (at least not that we've seen). Don't look down on them because they don't have bullets in their gun. Admire them because they don't even have bullets in their gun. They were able to round up some huge hordes of zombies into those trucks.
I liked the part on Talking Dead where Lenny James clarified that Morgan honked the horn in order to make sure that the two Wolves would be safe in that car. That tells you a lot about where he is right now, and what he might think of Rick's attitude next season.
I also liked that the spoken-word-next-season-preview said that next season would be a little bit less about humans being a threat. That's good. Always good to change the perspective a little before the pattern gets too predictable.
And speaking of predictable, there were a couple times tonight where character X said "I'm happy" or or words to that extent, and my brain immediately said "oh crap, he's gonna die". Nice job by the writers to keep us on our toes like that.
It was a very pleasing finale from a character standpoint, both that all of our people lived (poor Reg and red poncho guy), and that they all had generally positive experiences and outcomes.
So now it's safe to assume that Enid is not affiliated at all with the Wolves. They seemed to be discovering the ASZ via pictures. As for whether or not they pose any threat to the ASZ, lets keep in mind that they were able to overrun Noah's old community. They have some skills and some cleverness, even if they don't have brute force (at least not that we've seen). Don't look down on them because they don't have bullets in their gun. Admire them because they don't even have bullets in their gun. They were able to round up some huge hordes of zombies into those trucks.
I liked the part on Talking Dead where Lenny James clarified that Morgan honked the horn in order to make sure that the two Wolves would be safe in that car. That tells you a lot about where he is right now, and what he might think of Rick's attitude next season.
I also liked that the spoken-word-next-season-preview said that next season would be a little bit less about humans being a threat. That's good. Always good to change the perspective a little before the pattern gets too predictable.
And speaking of predictable, there were a couple times tonight where character X said "I'm happy" or or words to that extent, and my brain immediately said "oh crap, he's gonna die". Nice job by the writers to keep us on our toes like that.
It was a very pleasing finale from a character standpoint, both that all of our people lived (poor Reg and red poncho guy), and that they all had generally positive experiences and outcomes.
Not sure I buy that, dunno. Maybe that's what he wants to think, or maybe that's what the writers told him, not sure which.
Makes a lot more sense if he wanted these people dead/out of the way, but didn't want to kill them himself. Honk the horn to attract walkers, and then just like their trap later, it'll sort of work itself out eventually.
Going to attract walkers before other helpers (how does he know there's more than 2 nearby), so even if it was meant to be helpful, may end up working out to the way I thought anyway...
Makes a lot more sense if he wanted these people dead/out of the way, but didn't want to kill them himself. Honk the horn to attract walkers, and then just like their trap later, it'll sort of work itself out eventually.
Going to attract walkers before other helpers (how does he know there's more than 2 nearby), so even if it was meant to be helpful, may end up working out to the way I thought anyway...
It was contrived writing at the expense of realism. One of the central reasons so many WD fans despised Lori was due to the assbrained writing having her knowingly screw in a situation where she--again, a woman who later admitted having complications giving birth, which required the one procedure that is no longer available--does the deed anyway. But the moment she learns she is pregnant, she moans over it in season two. Like she did not see that coming.
You have to look at the entire picture of TV Lori's history, not just in her 1st appearance.
Is it any wonder this character inspired so much distaste? ...and no, said distaste was not all about her sending mixed messages to Shane, either.
Because as we all saw Rick was the one who insisted they keep lying to people and suggested that Maggie, Glen, and especially Michonne couldn't be trusted.Of course his intentions were dark from the beginning, but who was it that offered to turn over the gun to Michonne?
Rick is the leader. There is no doubting that, so Carol and Daryl only follow his lead, not the other way around. And if you want to blame anyone else, what does that say about Rick--as the leader--if he willingly goes along with lies, hiding guns, etc.?
Who set Pete's vengeful behavior into motion? Jessie? Deanna? Carol?Yeah, okay, we're going to blame Rick for cutting the dude's throat, and not the insane jealous ragemonster with the knife who'd been beating his wife and kid and showed no remorse for dude dying in front of him. Because that makes sense.
No, it was Rick. If he did not stalk Jessie, then get into a violent confrontation that would never have a peaceful resolution, Pete would not be in the position of wanting revenge.
I find it odd how some will try to pluck Rick out responsibility for situations he clearly created.
Actually I believe it was Carol who told Rick that he would eventually have to kill Pete - thus putting things into motion. If anyone is the manipulator in Alexandria its her not Rick.
Additionally, Carol stoked Pete's fire with her casserole speech with the knife the day he's killed.
She's playing the shy and un-battle tested victim in the ZA world with the residents in Alexandria, when we the viewers know differently.
I'm guessing a time jump is in order for season six, if for no other reason than to bypass the (surely colder than Georgia) DC winter they were telegraphing in the finale. Everyone was wearing winter coats and the breath was steamy.
However, Talking Dead was suggesting they were going to get back to filming soon though (sooner than normal, as they generally get back to it in summer for an October premiere), so they may want to take advantage of the mild weather to film some more cold-oriented stuff. Would make for a nice change of scenery than the perpetual leafiness we've had this whole time.
Mark
However, Talking Dead was suggesting they were going to get back to filming soon though (sooner than normal, as they generally get back to it in summer for an October premiere), so they may want to take advantage of the mild weather to film some more cold-oriented stuff. Would make for a nice change of scenery than the perpetual leafiness we've had this whole time.
Mark
They better start soon then. I live in Atlanta and day time temperatures this week are ~ 70 F and nighttime is around 50 F.
There isn't much cold weather left for us this year and the warm weather is on it's way soon.
Regarding mild - it's also going to reach the 80's by early next week.
So that makes Rick a puppet? We both know he's not, and his existing interest in Jessie (before Carol's conversation) would guarantee he was not going to do anything other than intrude and place pressure on the situation until he got what he wanted. Even if Pete was disarmed and did not kill Deanna's husband, Pete was roped into only one avenue: anger and an excuse for Rick to kill him.
Carol was not responsible for Rick's interest in Jessie, which set everything in motion. If he was not slobbering over a married woman, he would hardly paid so much attention to that couple every time they walked by, etc.
Why don't we ask Karen and David how much Carol "only follow
In this case Rick went along with it as "the leader" because he valued Carol's opinion and thought along the same lines as she did. You know, taking the advice of people that saved your ass - that says something good about Rick.
Hahahaha bullshit. The only person to blame in that situation was the man beating his wife and child. Pete's the one who couldn't let go, he's the one who fixated on killing Rick, he's the one who brought a knife, he's the one who murdered Reg and ranted as he died. Pete wasn't "roped" into anything, but is solely responsible for his own actions.
But good job on justifying letting domestic violence go ignored.
Sure Rick's interference was the catalyst that drove the Drunk Child/Wife Beater to his inevitible blow up, but, it would've happened with anyone stepping in to interfere in and control Pete's life.
Shane with Ed, Rick panting after Jessie, Carol stepping up for a victim as Shane did for her, Michonne as Deputy, Aiden or Deanna as Community Leaders....Anyone who came in to force him to stop his behavior would've caused him to blow. And there would've been no possibility of getting him to change without forcing it.
Fantastic. That's the way to do some self-promotion. 
...after sheepishly owning up to the woman he banished. For all he knew, Carol could have died out there, or run into Joe's gang (in the general area). He could not know if she was able to survive, but he did not care. That indifference (see what I did there) almost cost all of prison survivors their lives at Terminus. What if Carol decided to go elsewhere, or never learned the true situation from Martin's walkie conversation?
Maggie & Michonne McMuffins in the morning, Grimes Steakhouse that night.
What show were you watching? Rick enters Pete's house, asserts non-existent authority--in the name of his adulterous interest in Jessie--then nearly beats the man to death when (oh, what a surprise) Pete wants the man who is after his wife--to leave.
Yeah, try selling the idea that Rick was somehow tricked and/or dragged and/or roped into sending that to a deadly direction. Rick's the same guy who caressed the handle of his gun when watching Pete & Jessie--before Carol learned or said anything about abuse.
Explain that.
Suuure that's the point.
*yawn*
Just as i'm sure you think physical violence is the answer to domestic violence, right? Do you think Shane beating Ed would have stopped him from abusing Carol and/or Sophia at any time in the future? Maybe in TV land, but in real life, threatening and/or physically attacking a violent person is a 99.99% guarantee of escalating violence--the latter just about the only thing TWD nailed in the season finale.
What's worse, is that Rick's primary interest was his dick, not the pure, motive-free safety of Jessie or her son.
Again, is Rick a puppet? If Glenn told him Deanna was not taking his side in the Noah incident, thus their residency is threatened, would that lead to action against her, too?
Rick was the target, not Carol. Observe his attitude before she pulled the knife--he was still in that fight, and as long as Rick was around, he was not going to do anything--other than boil with rage about the entire situation.
Now that Morgan--who believes all life is precious--witnessed Rick killing a pinned down man, I cannot see the reunion being good--unless the writers conveniently have Morgan forget what he witnessed. And before anyone says, "but Rick will explain that Pete was trying to kill" remember, Morgan spared the lives of two men who tried to murder him.
Good stuff
Two men who later killed a man (so life isn't actually that precious to Morgan....just the lives of those he personally has the means to kill) I think they're setting up conflict there between him and Rick. I doubt Morgan will become a regular and they'll probably have him move on (isn't his non regular status exactly why he's so popular anyway)
My prediction is that Morgan will reveal his epiphany and explain that he needs to get somewhere. I can see seasons seven or eight being ones where Rick is now the one trying to find Morgan
Eh, that's what the actor believes, but I have a hard time seeing it. Maybe he didn't want to kill them himself, but honking the horn while they're stuck in the car is more likely to result in a zombie dinner bell than others coming to help. Did Morgan know there were more nearby, close enough to hear a horn? Knew there would be walkers coming, for sure.
Maybe he doesn't want the blood on his hands, or maybe he's ok with it being 50/50 they get rescued, but I don't buy that it was kindness. If he was doing it for their benefit, just leave them in the car, no horn. they'll wake up and get out eventually, and won't attract attention being passed out in the interim (most likely). the horn just forces the matter, rescue or death by walker. And who knows how much help is coming (if at all), maybe 1 guy shows and can't carry them, or they slow down the 2 that come, and all 4 end up buying the farm?
Despite what Lenny says, not really buying it logically.
Maybe he doesn't want the blood on his hands, or maybe he's ok with it being 50/50 they get rescued, but I don't buy that it was kindness. If he was doing it for their benefit, just leave them in the car, no horn. they'll wake up and get out eventually, and won't attract attention being passed out in the interim (most likely). the horn just forces the matter, rescue or death by walker. And who knows how much help is coming (if at all), maybe 1 guy shows and can't carry them, or they slow down the 2 that come, and all 4 end up buying the farm?
Despite what Lenny says, not really buying it logically.
Looking back overall I'd say Season 5 was definitely one of the best yet. I just don't know what on earth they were thinking with those Beth/Hospital episodes, if it weren't for those snooze fests it would have been an excellent season IMO.
Either way can't wait for to watch it all again on Blu-ray later in the year
Either way can't wait for to watch it all again on Blu-ray later in the year
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