Oh, one other thing I liked was when Cisco said that Trickster Jr. hid the source of his transmission using "Felicity-level" encryption. Well, what other standard would you use? 
The Flash - Season 1
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This episode was everything I wanted it to be. I hope that Hamill can show up again.
But yeah, keeping Iris in the dark is getting a bit weird at this point. The pretty much the entire cast besides her know that Barry is the Flash. Really at this point I'm not sure how not knowing is even protecting her. The villains know she writes about the Flash, so they could use her to get to him. Others know that her father is a cop or her boyfriend is a cop and that could make her a target. I did like that Eddie seemed to be conflicted about lying to her, he seems like such a decent guy that I wonder why his descendant is the Flash's enemy.
But yeah, keeping Iris in the dark is getting a bit weird at this point. The pretty much the entire cast besides her know that Barry is the Flash. Really at this point I'm not sure how not knowing is even protecting her. The villains know she writes about the Flash, so they could use her to get to him. Others know that her father is a cop or her boyfriend is a cop and that could make her a target. I did like that Eddie seemed to be conflicted about lying to her, he seems like such a decent guy that I wonder why his descendant is the Flash's enemy.
It's up to Barry to Iris his secret not Eddie or Joe and given how long it took him to tell her he loves her, he might havea hard problem actaully talking to ehr without the mask. In any it's a minor issue, I'm sure they'll find some way of letting find it out. But then telling her Barry's secret comes with an info dump now.
Is that how Mark sits in a chair in real life, or did they cgi his legs for some reason?
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I think it was a character choice, the Trickster may like sitting there like some sort of guru when he talks to people.
You have the benefit of being able to do that by not feeling paternalistic about anyone, I assume.
The Barry/Joe relationship is a perfect example. Joe 'protects' Barry from certain things as well.
I loved this episode. Mark Hamill was awesome. The whole I am your father line got a big laugh out of me. Sure it was cheesy, but I thought they mad it work. I also got a kick out of Barry learning to phase. I know that's a pretty big part of The Flash's power set, so I've been waiting for it here. I was also happy that Barry noticed how Wells talked about it.
I really enjoyed the Reverse Flash flashbacks we got here. I did not expect there to have been a real Harrison Wells, or for Eobard to have actually killed him. The superspeed fight was pretty cool.
I do agree that Iris not knowing about Barry being Flash is getting annoying. It wasn't bad when only Joe and the S.T.A.R. Labs team, but now that she is the only one who doesn't know if Iris, it is getting down right annoying. Although I don't know if I'd go quite to the extreme Christopher is.
I really enjoyed the Reverse Flash flashbacks we got here. I did not expect there to have been a real Harrison Wells, or for Eobard to have actually killed him. The superspeed fight was pretty cool.
I do agree that Iris not knowing about Barry being Flash is getting annoying. It wasn't bad when only Joe and the S.T.A.R. Labs team, but now that she is the only one who doesn't know if Iris, it is getting down right annoying. Although I don't know if I'd go quite to the extreme Christopher is.
This episode was one giant nerdgasim. I loved every minute of it.
To answer that last question -- yes -- especially if that nerdy scientist son did not have the power to run faster than the speed of sound.
C'mon guys... we have a superhero, and then two police officers.
Shielding people from "bad" things goes with the territory. (And in Chicago & other big cities, cops seem to hide a lot of stuff from people who ought to know!)
While sure, they aren't giving Iris enough credit, she dropped out of the Academy, and since then has been going to college (part time) & working at Jitters....not exactly roaming the wild streets of Central Ctiy.
They also are keeping their boss out of it too.
I think its all but a sure thing that Mark Hamill will be back.
He just tweeted this "Thanks for all the kind words regarding #TheFlash.Such a pleasure to be back! Who knows what the future holds for James Jesse? Stay tuned..."
I tweeted that I was happy he is enjoying this as much as all his fans are. He Favorited that. Celebrities probably do that all the time but I am new to Twitter and my eyes welled up.....
I am a HUGE fan of his. My yellow Lab is named Luke. I watched him as the Trickster on the old show when I was only 12 years old. I feel like a kid again!
The only real question is going to be working it in to his schedule. It will be a shock if he is not in Episode VIII. Even if only a limited way. That is coming out in May of 2017. Hopefully he can tell the Flash producers what he knows about his commitments so they know when he is available.
He just tweeted this "Thanks for all the kind words regarding #TheFlash.Such a pleasure to be back! Who knows what the future holds for James Jesse? Stay tuned..."
I tweeted that I was happy he is enjoying this as much as all his fans are. He Favorited that. Celebrities probably do that all the time but I am new to Twitter and my eyes welled up.....
I am a HUGE fan of his. My yellow Lab is named Luke. I watched him as the Trickster on the old show when I was only 12 years old. I feel like a kid again!
The only real question is going to be working it in to his schedule. It will be a shock if he is not in Episode VIII. Even if only a limited way. That is coming out in May of 2017. Hopefully he can tell the Flash producers what he knows about his commitments so they know when he is available.
It's not about what you feel, it's about whether you act on those feelings. If you're only thinking about your own feelings rather than the other person's rights to control their own life, then you're not being kind, you're being self-centered.
If you really care about another person, then sometimes you have to choose not to act on your desire to help or protect them and respect their right to make their own choices. Back in college, I once thought that a friend of mine might have an abusive boyfriend, so I went to the university's women's help center to ask for advice. Their counselor told me that, while I could try to express my concerns to her, I shouldn't try to impose my help, because that would be no better than what I feared her boyfriend was doing. I had to recognize that, ultimately, the only person who could help her take control of her life was her. It wasn't about me or my feelings or concerns. She was the one whose choices were at stake, so the responsibility was hers. That's a lesson that's guided me ever since.
It's hard to decide not to help a friend who doesn't ask for it. It's hard for a parent to let a child grow up and take responsibility for herself. But it's also necessary and right. We can't claim to care for others if we put our own feelings and wishes above theirs.
That is hardly the same thing as three men deciding they need to protect a woman without giving her a choice in the matter. The sad fact is, men still have a privilege in our society that women have to fight for. It's not symmetrical. Men have a responsibility to be extra-careful in how they treat women, because there is so much ingrained cultural temptation to think we're supposed to "take care of" them or coddle them or otherwise make choices for them, rather than respecting their right to choose for themselves. The way the men on this show treat Iris is gendered in a way that their occasional secret-keeping from each other is not -- especially now that the three most important men in Iris's life are collectively conspiring to hide the truth from her, which is a really creepy power imbalance. This needs to stop now. Iris deserves to know the truth, and they have no good reason to keep it from her.
Yeah -- they saved it until they could make it into a really big, important moment, and it worked wonderfully. (Well, as long as you ignore the stupid technobabble about "vibrating at the natural frequency of air.")
We know that The Reverse Flash got stuck in the past but what happen to The Flash that chased him back? Why would he just leave The Reverse Flash back in time?
I predicted rightly in a earlier post that Barry finally noticed that Wells was giving him instructions on how to use his powers way too detailed to be mere theories.
I've been running under the assumption for some time that the original cast is only going to be in episode VII. But even if he's in the other films, filming likely won't start until the summer of 2016. So a season two Trickster appearance is definitely possible. Heck, they may have already shot some of the original cast scenes already just in case.
What I find implausible is that Caitlin and Cisco didn't come to the same conclusion. I mean, they're supposed to be really smart, and Wells was making it pretty obvious.
I agree with that. Its like they completely disappeared in that scene once Wells started giving Barry instructions.
Its going to be interesting what this show is like next season. The whole series is built now around the team following Wells' lead.
Its going to be interesting what this show is like next season. The whole series is built now around the team following Wells' lead.
I'm wondering if maybe time-traveling Barry will save the real Dr. Wells the second time around.
(Guesswork as always.)
Eobard is a by design.
He has protection.
Paradox proofed.
The Flash chasing him, which looked like "Now" Barry, but could have been Barry who is ten years older, yet from a completely different time line with a living mother who loved him... Is a stupid SOB throwing himself into a blender and crossing his fingers that none of the whirling blades don't scruff him up any.
Mom died.
Barry, the Flash who was chasing the Reverse Flash through time pardoxed out.
Eobard's powers vanished, but he was "protected" enough not to fade away into non-existence.
Too fricking tidy.
Now Barry hasn't met young Eobard man in Yellow. He's only met old Wells man in yellow. Besides, young Eobard man in yellow would have been fighting mirror old Barry from 5 plus years in the future who can never come to be from now Barry because one has a mother who is alive and other has a mother who is dead.
Joe is acting just how any father would. Even more so because he's a cop, and knows more about how twisted and dangerous criminals can be. If they'd written him any differently, he wouldn't be believable as a father.
I don't have kids, and even I know that any father worth his salt would do anything to protect his child, and sometimes that means they make decisions based on emotion, rather than logic. Sometimes those decisions are wrong, despite how well intentioned they are, but that's what can happen when you feel a strong urge to protect someone. Joe is doing exactly what I would expect a father to do, and he has kept things from Barry to protect him, so it follows that he would act the same way if he had a son instead of a daughter. You may not agree with the behaviour, but it's a realistic way of portraying the situation.
This also leads me into a big part of why Barry is maintaining the deception with Iris. Obviously his feelings for her are a contributing factor, but regardless of that, he promised Joe he would keep her in the dark. He's not going to break that promise lightly, so it's going to take an extreme situation before he reveals it to her. Kind of like the one we saw in "Out of Time".
