The Flash - Season 1
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Indeed.
It makes sense though. In this day and age, with technology you just can't create a completely new profile from scratch if you're as famous as Wells is.
Freakin' awesome preview of things to come! Wow. I didn't expect another Arrow crossover anytime soon, but maybe it won't happen soon. In any case, I'm thrilled.
While Mark Hamill was good as the Trickster, his motivations were pretty shallow. If he and his protege could build sophisticated bombs, why not just blow up a bank instead of holding a roomful of people hostage?
As it turned out, there was a real Professor Wells. So from a certain point of view, Wells is the yellow speedster. I've always looked at him as one of Barry's surrogate fathers, Joe being the moral compass and the man who raised him. Wells is more of a mentor and coach who helps him advance his abilities. But now Barry is becoming more cognizant of Wells' true nature.
While Mark Hamill was good as the Trickster, his motivations were pretty shallow. If he and his protege could build sophisticated bombs, why not just blow up a bank instead of holding a roomful of people hostage?
As it turned out, there was a real Professor Wells. So from a certain point of view, Wells is the yellow speedster. I've always looked at him as one of Barry's surrogate fathers, Joe being the moral compass and the man who raised him. Wells is more of a mentor and coach who helps him advance his abilities. But now Barry is becoming more cognizant of Wells' true nature.
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Okies.
The Flash is a legacy title.
Dozens of men and women will call themselves The Flash over the course of the next thousand years.
Are we positive that Eobard was fighting Barry?
Yes, 20 something year old Barry's blood was there, but what if there was a third speedster?
A 27th century Flash at war with a 25th century reverse Flash through time.
No one targeted the Allen House.
That was an accident?
Even though Thawne already said that he wanted to Kill the Flash before Barry got his powers, and what happened to hot Mom was an accident.
That sounds like an admission?
But if Zoom's power's petered out 3 streets over from the Allen house, then what the frakk stopped the Flash chasing him from catching up to his standing still depowered ass? Zero Speed Force = Invisible to Speedforcecensors? The Flash Chasing Wells was aware of the predestination at play and had to let him escape so that Barry would get hit by lightning.
OOOOO!
Original timeline Barry from well after 2020, who got hit with a particle accelerator powered lightning bolts in 2020 could be the primary opponent to the Reverse Flash. So that's 5 more years of not being the Flash and a couple years of being the Flash. We could be looking at 35 year old Barry with a completely different past (And power set?) that was not molested/groomed by the Reverse Flash?
Old Barry has been lurking, worried about screwing over time, or he wants to see Thawne's plan play out completely before he goes back and changes time to stop the man in yellows evil plan, even if that means that he has to observe this freaky Friday universe for 14 years waiting for the moment to strike after Thawne has played all his cards.
The Flash is a legacy title.
Dozens of men and women will call themselves The Flash over the course of the next thousand years.
Are we positive that Eobard was fighting Barry?
Yes, 20 something year old Barry's blood was there, but what if there was a third speedster?
A 27th century Flash at war with a 25th century reverse Flash through time.
No one targeted the Allen House.
That was an accident?
Even though Thawne already said that he wanted to Kill the Flash before Barry got his powers, and what happened to hot Mom was an accident.
That sounds like an admission?
But if Zoom's power's petered out 3 streets over from the Allen house, then what the frakk stopped the Flash chasing him from catching up to his standing still depowered ass? Zero Speed Force = Invisible to Speedforcecensors? The Flash Chasing Wells was aware of the predestination at play and had to let him escape so that Barry would get hit by lightning.
OOOOO!
Original timeline Barry from well after 2020, who got hit with a particle accelerator powered lightning bolts in 2020 could be the primary opponent to the Reverse Flash. So that's 5 more years of not being the Flash and a couple years of being the Flash. We could be looking at 35 year old Barry with a completely different past (And power set?) that was not molested/groomed by the Reverse Flash?
Old Barry has been lurking, worried about screwing over time, or he wants to see Thawne's plan play out completely before he goes back and changes time to stop the man in yellows evil plan, even if that means that he has to observe this freaky Friday universe for 14 years waiting for the moment to strike after Thawne has played all his cards.
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Re: 2020, didn't Thawne say he needed to make the particle accelerator incident happen sooner? The whole point being that he wanted to go back to his original timeline,
He did make it happen sooner.
5 years.
The Flash's origin happened 5 years sooner than it should have.
Wells is going to suck off all of Barry's speed force so that he can run through time again, as soon as Barry has enough speed force in him to suck off.
It sounds like they're having a war through time.
That's 6 to 12 episodes of fun through many red letter periods in history before they hit Barry's childhood home.
Eobard might be able to go diagonally through time like a slider.
Even if the future in this timeline is wrong for Thawne, as long as the events in this timeline can restores his powers, he can either then set things right or move diagonally through time to a more familiar comfortable parallel universe.
In either case, that means that he can kill Eddie since this time line diverged from his own years ago. Probably the moment he arrived in it.
As far as this Thawne is concerned, he should kill Eddie now, so that 500 years from now the Professor Zoom indigenous to this new time doesn't start screwing around with the early 21st century causing him 7 shades shit trying to get to Barry.
Oh.
Barry's speed force is the wrong polarity?
Harry is a luring his alternate self, drawing back the Reverse Flash from this new time line with Barry being all sexy and heroic, so that Wells can catch his otherself and drain him who is full of negative speed force.
If the colour really matters.
Red vs. Yellow.
Put the wrong gas in your car, and see what happens.
5 years.
The Flash's origin happened 5 years sooner than it should have.
Wells is going to suck off all of Barry's speed force so that he can run through time again, as soon as Barry has enough speed force in him to suck off.
"Latest"
It sounds like they're having a war through time.
That's 6 to 12 episodes of fun through many red letter periods in history before they hit Barry's childhood home.
Eobard might be able to go diagonally through time like a slider.
Even if the future in this timeline is wrong for Thawne, as long as the events in this timeline can restores his powers, he can either then set things right or move diagonally through time to a more familiar comfortable parallel universe.
In either case, that means that he can kill Eddie since this time line diverged from his own years ago. Probably the moment he arrived in it.
As far as this Thawne is concerned, he should kill Eddie now, so that 500 years from now the Professor Zoom indigenous to this new time doesn't start screwing around with the early 21st century causing him 7 shades shit trying to get to Barry.
Oh.
Barry's speed force is the wrong polarity?
Harry is a luring his alternate self, drawing back the Reverse Flash from this new time line with Barry being all sexy and heroic, so that Wells can catch his otherself and drain him who is full of negative speed force.
If the colour really matters.
Red vs. Yellow.
Put the wrong gas in your car, and see what happens.
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First to get this out of the way.. The Trickster (both Hamill and the young guy) made me nearly turn off the episode, that was some bad flashback to Batman and Robin style villains.
I actually hung my head in disappointment when he said the Star Wars line.. saw that coming from a galaxy far away (see what i did?
) but hoped they would pass at the opportunity but apparently every actor who got famous for one role will never be able to escape that and needs to repeat it forever.. kind of nerd slavery.
However the rest of the episode.. damn! From the start of it with the two Flashs battlling it out in the house in slow mo to the reveal that Reverse Flash wasn't originally Wells (that threw me for a giant loop) it didn't let go (apart from the Trickster scenes).
As i previously said i'm not that familiar with Flash but i knew about the Speed Force and "Wells" giving him on the job training was just so cool (the concept as well as the acting/writing in that scene).
I feel so sorry for the actual Wells and that this part of the mystery was actually solved but now i wonder if Thawne's only motivation is to get back to his time or if he really wants to help Barry become the Flash who's needed in the future, i'm guessing it's the first one.
Unmasking the Flash twice in one episode was also a genius move.. with his father it carried great emotional impact even if he already suspected something but i just love John Wesley Shipp in those scenes (and i like the actor in general) but doing so in front of Eddie was really unexpected but equally good.
If they continue like this i will forgive them for such dumb villains and will really look forward to the season finale which could be awesome.
I actually hung my head in disappointment when he said the Star Wars line.. saw that coming from a galaxy far away (see what i did?
) but hoped they would pass at the opportunity but apparently every actor who got famous for one role will never be able to escape that and needs to repeat it forever.. kind of nerd slavery.However the rest of the episode.. damn! From the start of it with the two Flashs battlling it out in the house in slow mo to the reveal that Reverse Flash wasn't originally Wells (that threw me for a giant loop) it didn't let go (apart from the Trickster scenes).
As i previously said i'm not that familiar with Flash but i knew about the Speed Force and "Wells" giving him on the job training was just so cool (the concept as well as the acting/writing in that scene).
I feel so sorry for the actual Wells and that this part of the mystery was actually solved but now i wonder if Thawne's only motivation is to get back to his time or if he really wants to help Barry become the Flash who's needed in the future, i'm guessing it's the first one.
Unmasking the Flash twice in one episode was also a genius move.. with his father it carried great emotional impact even if he already suspected something but i just love John Wesley Shipp in those scenes (and i like the actor in general) but doing so in front of Eddie was really unexpected but equally good.
If they continue like this i will forgive them for such dumb villains and will really look forward to the season finale which could be awesome.
This was a fantastic homage to the classic series. They got Mark Hamill, John Wesley Shipp, and Vito D'Ambrosio in the same episode. They gave Shipp a scene opposite Hamill, reuniting old enemies. And the icing on the cake was that Blake Neely actually used Shirley Walker's original Trickster theme in the music!!!!!!! That was amazing to hear! (The '90 Flash's musical motifs have amazing endurance. Walker's Flash motif from the show was used in the Superman: The Animated Series episode "Speed Demons.")
And it was a really effective episode in the arc as well, with a lot of big, important stuff happening. Barry learns about the Speed Force and phases for the first time. Barry unmasks to his father (who already pretty much knew) and to Eddie. Barry learns Wells is the Reverse Flash, and we learn his origins. Major stuff.
And Mark Hamill really got to show off his villainous chops in live-action for, perhaps, the first time since he previously played the Trickster. He was in fine form, and I hope we haven't seen the last of James Jesse. Although he wasn't so much reprising his original Trickster characterization here as playing a blend of the Joker and Hannibal Lecter. Well, that's unfair to Hamill; he wasn't using his Joker voice per se, but the way the character was described, as this dangerous archfiend who could talk his shrink into suicide, was very Jokeresque. We even get the obligatory Star Wars reference thrown into the nerd-service cocktail.
The one thing that continues to grate is the way the men in this series remain determined to keep the female lead in the dark for her own "protection." That is so sexist and paternalistic, and it's totally gratuitous to have Barry and Joe so determined to keep Iris in the dark while promiscuously revealing the truth to practically everyone else.
And it was a really effective episode in the arc as well, with a lot of big, important stuff happening. Barry learns about the Speed Force and phases for the first time. Barry unmasks to his father (who already pretty much knew) and to Eddie. Barry learns Wells is the Reverse Flash, and we learn his origins. Major stuff.
And Mark Hamill really got to show off his villainous chops in live-action for, perhaps, the first time since he previously played the Trickster. He was in fine form, and I hope we haven't seen the last of James Jesse. Although he wasn't so much reprising his original Trickster characterization here as playing a blend of the Joker and Hannibal Lecter. Well, that's unfair to Hamill; he wasn't using his Joker voice per se, but the way the character was described, as this dangerous archfiend who could talk his shrink into suicide, was very Jokeresque. We even get the obligatory Star Wars reference thrown into the nerd-service cocktail.
The one thing that continues to grate is the way the men in this series remain determined to keep the female lead in the dark for her own "protection." That is so sexist and paternalistic, and it's totally gratuitous to have Barry and Joe so determined to keep Iris in the dark while promiscuously revealing the truth to practically everyone else.
Not sure if it's notable or not, but it looked like Barry had the traditional while circle with yellow lightning bolt insignia during the battle around his mom. (Perhaps we already knew that, but I can't remember.) Be interesting to see when he gets that suit on the show.
Last night's episode was fantastic, probably the best episode so far, and that's saying something. Mark Hamil was perfect. He was great as the Trickster. He felt like the one from the old Flash series, but a version that was allowed to get a bit darker and get away with a bit more. He was super entertaining, and I loved the "I am your Father" line. I really hope we see him again.
Well, Joe is her father. Barry and Eddie though, they might know better.
^And she's an adult, not a five-year-old. So it's still paternalistic and gendered for Joe to make decisions for her and take away her control of her own life. Would he do the same if he had a son instead of a daughter?
Probably not. Though, we've seen him keep secrets from Barry for his own good. Regardless, it's amusing because I don't care for Iris, but also inexcusable in-universe that Iris is literally the only important character who doesn't know Barry is the Flash.
Otherwise a fantastic episode. Mark Hammill's still got it as the Joker (ok, a Joker-esque figure) and the backstory about Thawne and Wells was awesome. I guessed about Thawne stealing his identity about five minutes before it happened, but still a great twist.
Otherwise a fantastic episode. Mark Hammill's still got it as the Joker (ok, a Joker-esque figure) and the backstory about Thawne and Wells was awesome. I guessed about Thawne stealing his identity about five minutes before it happened, but still a great twist.
Check in when you have kids, I'd say. Sometimes logic goes out the window.
I wouldn't want my son or daughter going into that kind of situation and I'd certainly do whatever to protect them. They're not powered in any way (like Barry) nor police officers (like Joe and Eddie).
^But surely being ignorant of the facts has placed Iris in more danger, rather than protected her from it. Which is usually the case in life.
Bottom line, taking away an adult's right to make decisions about their own life is a sign of an abusive relationship. It's just not something an adult has a right to do to another adult -- I don't care how they're related.
Bottom line, taking away an adult's right to make decisions about their own life is a sign of an abusive relationship. It's just not something an adult has a right to do to another adult -- I don't care how they're related.
Why are people amazed when fictional characters make illogical decisions when actual people do it all the time?
Sounds like a conversation for a therapist.
I just loved it! Really was amazed to see the real Thawne. They probably did not cast him for this reason but he even looked like how Eobrad Thawne was drawn in comics.
There was a press screening last week of this episode that Mark Hamill attended. Lots different sites were there. Each one has different questions he answered. One thing he clarified I have always wondered about.
Him playing the Trickster on the original Flash had no connection to landing the voice of the Joker. Saying Warner Bros animation and tv divisions were completely separate. Being a big comic book fan he did seek out a part on Batman. At first he was given a small role in the first Mr Freeze episode. He wanted more important role but actually had to audition for the Joker!
He thought they would never give it to him being most known for Star Wars. Also he was worried there would be too much pressure playing such an iconic villain. At first he would have been more happy to tryout for a less known character like Two Face. So he did his reading assuming he would not get it and held nothing back. His lack of restraint probably got him the role.
There was a press screening last week of this episode that Mark Hamill attended. Lots different sites were there. Each one has different questions he answered. One thing he clarified I have always wondered about.
Him playing the Trickster on the original Flash had no connection to landing the voice of the Joker. Saying Warner Bros animation and tv divisions were completely separate. Being a big comic book fan he did seek out a part on Batman. At first he was given a small role in the first Mr Freeze episode. He wanted more important role but actually had to audition for the Joker!
He thought they would never give it to him being most known for Star Wars. Also he was worried there would be too much pressure playing such an iconic villain. At first he would have been more happy to tryout for a less known character like Two Face. So he did his reading assuming he would not get it and held nothing back. His lack of restraint probably got him the role.
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I never said I was amazed by it. I said I object to it.
While it wasn't an influence on the people at Warner, I sincerly believe he tapped into his past performance as the Trickster when first voicing the Joker. They are both very similar.
