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The Walking Dead Season 5

Yeah, overall and in concept Rick is "right" and has a point that the Alexandrians are all-up in themselves and don't realize the dangers of this world. But ranting about it like a lunatic while waving a gun isn't a good way to do it.

How is Rick right? "Fight or die" was Shane's screaming call to arms, and he was wrong. Under Rick's leadership, he could not stop the Governor (twice--with both periods of conflict leading to the gruesome death of a companion) the fall of the prison, being captured--first by the Claimers, then by Terminus. If not for the person he had no business banishing, he would be dead.

If that was not bad enough, his original plan for Grady hospital was a running kill/rescue mission. At the same time, Dawn was on edge, so without any real intel on habits / reactions of Dawn (Noah was not a mind reader), Dawn and her officers--knowing every inch of the hospital--would have the edge. The edge promised the end of anyone who entered the hospital--not just Beth.

Rick has been lucky more often than not, and the audacity of walking into a safe zone trying to push his violent, take no prisoners world view on those who gave his family sanctuary makes him a first rate threat.

And, in all support of him in the fight, he *was* doing his jobs and protecting a woman who was being abused by her husband -without any noticeable bruises on injuries on her. A thing that Deanna seemed content to more-or-less let slide/ignore.
Yes--without any hard evidence (and going against Deanna), Rick was ready to apprehend, and ultimately kill Pete, thanks to his own interest in a married woman. Without giving a damn about his group, he acted for his own needs, which threatens all.

Get ready for the group to split. After two years of the ZA, someone must have formed their own ideas on survival.

I wonder if some will side with Rick/Our Group on this issue. Notably the guy who touted Abraham's behavior at the construction site seemed to be agreeing with some of Rick's comments during his little rant. The grenade knocked Tara out, when she comes-to I wonder how much -if any- support she can give for Our Group and what she can say about the behaviors of the Alexandrians on the run.
If you mean the run where she was injured, she really did not see much, in particular, the idiot's exchange with the dying Aiden, or the revolving door tragedy.


And, I'm now confused about something. When we first met Deanna she said she was really good at reading people, to the point she sorta-joked about going on poker-tours should her career in politics not take. So if she's so good at reading people and seeing through lies or whatever how is she doesn't see through Dipshit's falsehoods about what happened on the run and see Glenn's honesty? (I assume she talked to Glenn. doing so would only make sense. Not to mention talking to Eugene who could offer some insight on what he saw at the revolving door and about Dipshit being all for wanting to run rather than save the survivors at the warehouse.)
Well, the tape of Dipshit ended with Deanna saying she would look into the incident, and since she knows--and probably created the idea of leaving people behind, she could not trust much of Dipshit's testimony.

...unless she will side with because he's one of their own, more than caring about the truth.


Also, when he exiled Carol he let her go with a car that was fully loaded with supplies and likely survival gear. He also knows she has the skills to survive in the world full of walkers.
A few knives, a jug of water and a car (with no guarantee of finding more gas / oil, etc.) is not a plan for survival. His opinion only served to make himself feel he was correct. He was not. That is a world of never ending walkers and random threats that could spell a horrible life and/or end for her--like Randall's gang (and the sexually aggressive implications of the bar duo).

He knew that she would face that, but did not care. I see no difference between his treatment of Carol and Deanna's rule. In fact, we do not know what the exiled are equipped with, but we saw how few provisions Carol had (with more evidence in the flashback to her exile from this season).


In regards to Rick not having a "point" when it comes to Alexandria not being fit to survive in this world given their determination to stick to society when they *have* survived this long, this sort of forgets a few points.

First of all, we know there's a lot of dangers out there and not just the walkers. We know there's a *huge* danger out there that not even our main characters are fully aware of. So Alexandria is on very, very borrowed time. They've been lucky. Their survival has nothing to do with how they're running things, they didn't even have the guard tower manned at all times. They've been lucky, nothing else.
Impossible. No matter who evacuated, if we are to believe the nation is overrun with walkers, then herds can easily cover a state. Remember, they do not get tired, fear obstacles, need sleep, shelter, or are affected by weather. Walkers are a legitimate 24-hour threat, and there's no way that in two years, the ASZ have not faced herds while trying to build / fortify their community.

The same applies to roaming groups or individuals; while building the SZ (which includes traveling to obtain supplies, no matter the distance), do you really think they never crossed the living? Moreover, I feel Deanna knows more than she's saying, and is it a stretch to think the her rule of exiling sans fear of retribution could be due to her knowing the exiled will end up victims of known, living threats?
 
This whole episode was a massive disappointment. Firstly, the way it set up Rick as a frothing at the mouth lunatic (why was he covered in so much blood btw?) was bizarre. Secondly, the Sasha is losing the plot, plot (another character having a breakdown....oh joy...I look forward to watching that unfold)

The fight itself was slightly ludicrous and unconvincing and why would Michonne hit him mid speech (other than to hit home the fact that Rick is some kind of mental case) she's getting annoying. They're all getting annoying

They're setting everything up for a hugely irritating finale it would seem. I'm already bored of the ASZ. Let's just kill these tools and get back on the road please *yawn*
 
Head wounds bleed more than most others because there are tons of blood vessels close to the surface on the face and scalp. Even a small wound to the face or forehead like Rick had can release a torrent of blood.
 
It seemed that there was an increase in the number of walkers seen over the last few episodes. Looks like someone is creating walkers, or at least marking them (with a W) instead of killing them.
 
They're setting everything up for a hugely irritating finale it would seem. I'm already bored of the ASZ. Let's just kill these tools and get back on the road please *yawn*

So it hasn't been remotely interesting to you to watch Rick's emotionally scarred, battle-hardened group try to adjust to such a strange and surreal environment like ASZ?

I think it's been fascinating and compelling as hell myself. Obviously it's never good when they stay in any one place too long, but I certainly don't think we're at that point after only 4 episodes in ASZ.

And it's not like it doesn't ever get repetitive or monotonous watching them out on the road as well (walking, being hungry, having random conversations about nothing, walking some more, etc).
 
Being on the road at least provides the illusion that they might be heading towards something. We've already seen the...bad man attacks the group in their safe place....plot in season 3 (and it was the most boring season by far which dragged on too long) how many times can they rinse and repeat

Oh and now here comes a companion show where they will do what?.....find a safe place only to have a bad man attack it

Haven't seen the wolves yet but I'm gonna take a stab in the dark and say they're bad people who perhaps might come into conflict with the ASZ group

I'm starting to feel like I'm being made a fool of by this show
 
Well, he was in a fight with someone and both of them crashed through a window, so....

Then why wasn't Pete's face covered in blood? (he seemed to take the brunt of it)

They wanted Rick to look like a psycho (he did)

Well, that's not the question you asked, was it? ;) If you want to know why he was covered in *more* blood, then there's no good answer beyond the meta-one you provided.

Pete did have some blood on him, though he wasn't as "covered" in it as Rick was. Maybe Rick's a bleeder? I know I am, smallest cut and I expel like a fruit-gusher. I pretty much have no clotting factor in me.


TREK_GOD_1 said:
How is Rick right?

He's right in his greater point, maybe not so much in the approach he's going at it with (like Shane did) but the general idea is that Rick is right. The Alexandrians are in their little sheltered community and throwing dinner parties worrying about pasta makers of all things (I know they exist but, damn, are they really all that common? My parents have one and I think I've seen them use it maybe twelve times in my entire life.) Meanwhile there's a world of threats out there that could come in at any minute and destroy their community. Rick's seen it happen and that's what he's focused on right now.

Chiefly, that his stepping back from a leadership role and a more passive approach is what led to the fall of the prison. You can't get too comfortable in this world.

The Alexandrians have been very, very, lucky. Noah's family lived in a gated community, a place you'd also think would be ideal for this type of situation. It was in even better shape because it has a solid brick wall bordering it. But that didn't stop some group from busting in and apparently killing everyone inside and pillaging the place.

If this other group can take out a several-inches thick brick-and-mortar wall, then Alexandria and their shitty wall made of the sides of a steel building aren't going to do shit.

It's only a matter of time before some other group comes in and takes Alexandria out or one good-sized herd to push the wall over (being braced from the outside it'd be easier to push the wall in.)

So, the larger premise of Rick's point is correct. The Alexandrians need to toughen up a bit. And, yeah, he's got a boner for Jessie, but that doesn't undo the fact that she's being abused by her husband and the man likely abuses, or has abused, her son too. That's something Deanna and the Alexandrians shouldn't be so willing to just gloss-over and ignore simply because Pete's a doctor. Again, how good and reliable of a doctor can he be if he's hammered all of the time?

Medical professionals are pretty rare, sure, but he doesn't have nearly the resources to really do any major doctoring beyond what Herschel did at the farm and prison. If someone needs and angioplasty or some major treatment, Pete's useless. So, the only thing they need is someone with some good first-aid knowledge and knowledge on pharmaceuticals to try and give an injured person as many chances as possible. It's a crummy world, but someone likely can learn that information by raiding a medical school and getting some text books or something.

That'd likely be at least somewhat equal to, "Yeah, we can't work on Tara right now. Pete's slumped over the toilet gurgling about pirates again."

Rick's "right" overall, though his approach and perhaps his motivations are a bit cloudy.

But, really, I'm not sure there's anything I can say to make you change your mind. Your Rick-Hate has always been strong.
 
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Well, that's not the question you asked, was it? ;) If you want to know why he was covered in *more* blood, then there's no good answer beyond the meta-one you provided.

I asked specifically BECAUSE Pete was not covered in blood

They want Rick to look like a lunatic. It's immensely irritating. They can't keep making him have a mental breakdown every time they wanna spice things up in lieu of good writing

Aside from it being repetitive, it makes Rick look ridiculously weak. Carol, Daryl, Glenn have all had a little cry but Rick keeps having serious psychological breakdowns and this one was ridiculous. On his knees, waving a gun around, blood streaming down his mad eyed face as he screams gibberish about knowing best

Enough already. Tell a damn story and stop relying on gimmicks and crap

Yours sincerely

Losing patience
 
Well, that I'll agree with. Everyone else has their little bouts, but none of them get as "unstable" as Rick does when he goes off the deep end.
 
I use to scream at my dead wife, but I'm feeling much better now

At what point does Daryl mention that this really wasn't that bad, seeing that the last guy Rick had a fight with got his throat chewed out?

How is Rick right? Let's just put it this way. Take a crisp $100 bill out & place it on black or red. Black being uninterrupted cookie making parties, & red being... well... carnage & horrors that rip you right down to your core

Where are you betting your $100 in THIS world? Does that make everyone in denialsburg good role models or primed for a boot in the ass?
 
Well, Rick ripping Joe's throat out wasn't.... "that" bad. It's not like Rick had a lot of options open to him so he went with the walker-way of killing someone. He was being attacked by someone intent on killing him and didn't have much he could really do to defend himself. So, yeah, go for the only real kill open to you.

If it was a more even fight and Rick had the option of shooting Joe, stabbing him, or just plain punching him out and then breaking his neck but chose to rip Joe's throat out. Then, yeah, Rick's pretty fucked-up. But, that's not what happened. Rick's back was pretty much literally to a wall.
 
Right. My point being that if you can do THAT thing, then coming to the defense of someone who ultimately did ask for it should be well within his wheelhouse :lol:

I'm curious, & maybe there are, but is there anyone here who honestly thinks that if Jesse had told Rick no & to leave, that he wouldn't have?
 
Right. My point being that if you can do THAT thing, then coming to the defense of someone who ultimately did ask for it should be well within his wheelhouse :lol:

I'm curious, & maybe there are, but is there anyone here who honestly thinks that if Jesse had told Rick no & to leave, that he wouldn't have?

I think Rick would have kept pushing his point that Pete needed to be taken care of, if Jesse insisted on her no one of two things would have happened:

What *did* happen, Pete would have came in, seen the confrontation between Jesse and Rick and the fight would have broken out.

Two, Rick would have accepted Jesse's insistence and left and likely would have ambushed Pete and beat him up or kill-him elsewhere.
 
Isn't this Carol's fault? She had an abusive husband but every situation is different. Killing him might be a little drastic. Maybe Pete only beats his family when he's drunk, so don't let him have any alcohol. Make him stay away from his family by making him live apart. Plenty of houses, right? Rick is looking like an outdoor cat too. I don't really like where this is going. And right after Abraham got bonus points recently for not leaving someone to die because the group was too weak to save her. Does Deanna still value Maggie?
 
Two, Rick would have accepted Jesse's insistence and left and likely would have ambushed Pete and beat him up or kill-him elsewhere.
Lol. That wasn't part of my question though ;)
Clearly he wouldn't have just let it go completely. Neither would Carol have let it go. Neither WILL Carol let it go, but I'm of the opinion that had Jesse told him no & asked him to leave at any time before there was anything physical, then he would have, and the whole thing would've subsided for the time being, & there'd have been a general stay of action from Deanna, & we could've avoided bloody meltdown Rick

Let's face it, Rick isn't the only one walking the edge here. Carol ain't even warmed up yet. Abraham has been simmering on low boil for like 3 episodes. Sasha is about to go Bernie Goetz all over everybody, & part of me wants to believe Glenn might put the screws to Harpo himself

The iron is already in the fire, with or without Rick, & I get the impression this whole mess will end with one of the main cast dying
 
^ to be fair, does it? Feels like we haven't lost anyone major in the gang for a while (and I'l say the gang, so the Governer doesn't count)
This seasons losses so far; Bob, Beth, Tyreese & Noah have all been fairly minor characters in the scheme of things. Season 4 there was only really Hersel... I'd only say he was a medium in terms of low-high in order of importance.
The Season 3 finale had Andrea, who although was a big charatcer, by then had been out of "the gang" for a full season so personally I didn't really feel her loss too much.

So really I'd say Lori was the last major player to bite the bullet, back in early Season 3.




Maybe that means we're in need of another soon :devil:
 
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