TOS: Foul Deeds Will Rise by Greg Cox Review Thread (Spoilers!)

[Greg Cox]

I confess I'm not familiar with Professor Goffman. I took a couple of courses in Shakespeare in college way back when, and reviewed The Tempest in preparation for this book.

"The Conscience of the King" is, of course, a quote from Hamlet, not The Tempest, as is "Foul Deeds Will Rise," but The Tempest seemed more relevant in terms of the themes of the nove..

 

[Kilana2]

I confess I'm not familiar with Professor Goffman. I took a couple of courses in Shakespeare in college way back when, and reviewed The Tempest in preparation for this book.

"The Conscience of the King" is, of course, a quote from Hamlet, not The Tempest, as is "Foul Deeds Will Rise," but The Tempest seemed more relevant in terms of the themes of the nove..

Goffman devoted himself to the “dramaturgical approach” to human interaction, among others, and viewed theater as metaphor, contrary to one Kenneth Burke (American literary theorist) who regarded life itself as theater. Goffman was influenced by Burke´s concept of dramatism, which derives from Shakespeare. So it leads to Shakespeare after all



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erving_Goffman


Goffman came to mind, when Lenore said “But the truth is often just a matter of appearance. All the world´s a stage, and all we men and women merely players.” ….., which is essentially his basic statement.


….”what does it matter who I truly am behind the greasepaint.…”



Foul deeds will rise, p. 142


And regarding to Lenore it is about roleplaying. First, there is Lenore Karidian, erstwhile murderess. Second, there is Lyla Kassidy. To put distance between her former self and her new life and to protect herself she uses that alias.


No surprise there, that Kirk is in doubt about her motivations like the reader is.

I´m quite involved in the story right now……as observer.


Perhaps I should stop my sociological analysis and continue with reading……

 

[Christopher]

^Well, of course, "All the world's a stage" etc. is a quote from As You Like It, Act II, sc. vii.

 

[Kilana2]

^Well, of course, "All the world's a stage" etc. is a quote from As You Like It, Act II, sc. vii.

Like I´ve guessed: it all comes down to Shakespeare

 

[Greg Cox]

Well, in rewatching the original ep, I noticed that Lenore tends to speak in a very florid, melodramatic, dare I say "actressy" way, even by TOS standards. "Hail, conquering Caeser approaches," that kind of thing. So I basically picked up on that and ran with it, sprinkling liberal doses of Shakespeare into her dialogue, especially when she's under stress.

 

[Kilana2]

I found Concious of the King on Youtube. My first TOS episode I watch in Englisch. Lacking a German version, this has to suffice

 

[Kilana2]

Well, in rewatching the original ep, I noticed that Lenore tends to speak in a very florid, melodramatic, dare I say "actressy" way, even by TOS standards. "Hail, conquering Caeser approaches," that kind of thing. So I basically picked up on that and ran with it, sprinkling liberal doses of Shakespeare into her dialogue, especially when she's under stress.

I´ve seen what you mean. And seeing it in the original made me pay all the more attention. I got the gist.

 

[Kilana2]

Another Shakespeare quote. "Thrice is he armed who hath his quarrel just".
Henry VI, part two says Wiki. I´m not familiar with it, but my interest is piqued as I´m interested in history. I´ve heard about the War of Roses of course when dealing with the biography of Henry VIII

This is really slowing me down, but that´s fine.

 

[Greg Cox]

Was there any effort to incorporate elements of/references to those DC Comics?

Considering how much of a role they played in my becoming a hardcore Star Trek fan, I know what I'd like the answer to be.

Honestly, not a big effort. I did a bit of homework to see what had already been done in that era (and even picked Christopher's brain a bit regarding the novels), but the main thing I picked up from the earlier novels was the idea that Kevin Riley eventually became a Starfleet ambassador.

(That's not a spoiler, btw. It's mentioned on the very first page of the novel.)

I'm aware that it's a bit of a challenge to fit In The Name of Honor into the modern novelverse, but did you check it while writing Foul Deeds Will Rise?

Also by the way Greg, I just love the title Foul Deeds Will Rise. It's such a great phrase.

I confess I missed In the Name of Honor when researching this book. As for the title, thank you Bartlett's Book of Familiar Quotations. I figured any sequel to "Conscience of the King" had to take its title from Hamlet as well, and "Foul Deeds" fit perfectly for a story of assassination and intrigue.

 

[Kilana2]

I´m on the home stretch regarding this. I must admit, it turned out to be gripping. Interesting twists and turns....

I like Chekov being one of the main characters.

 

[Greg Cox]

I´m on the home stretch regarding this. I must admit, it turned out to be gripping. Interesting twists and turns....

I like Chekov being one of the main characters.

Thanks. One of my big goals for that book was to give Chekov a chance to shine. I've always neglected him before, so I felt it was finally time to have some fun with him.

 

[Kilana2]

I know, I´m a bit slow to read. I take my own sweet time, though. And I´ve already voted despite of not being done. Above average, as I compared it with "No time like the Past" which I found slightly better, but only by the slimmest of margins. In light of the upcoming German Khan novels there must be room for improvement...

 

[Greg Cox]

I know, I´m a bit slow to read. I take my own sweet time, though. And I´ve already voted despite of not being done. Above average, as I compared it with "No time like the Past" which I found slightly better, but only by the slimmest of margins. In light of the upcoming German Khan novels there must be room for improvement...

And don't forget Child of Two Worlds, which hasn't come out yet!

 

[Kilana2]

I know, I´m a bit slow to read. I take my own sweet time, though. And I´ve already voted despite of not being done. Above average, as I compared it with "No time like the Past" which I found slightly better, but only by the slimmest of margins. In light of the upcoming German Khan novels there must be room for improvement...

And don't forget Child of Two Worlds, which hasn't come out yet!

I´ll keep it in mind.

Lenore is quite an actress, by the way.

 

[Greg Cox]

And did I mention that I'm working on the next, next book today?

 

[Kilana2]

And did I mention that I'm working on the next, next book today?

Not exactly that you work on it today, but I will also have a close look on the "Child of two Worlds" thread on a regular basis.

Have I already mentioned, that I´m currently waiting for

Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan !!!!!

 

[Ronald Held]

Which next next book would that be?

 

[Greg Cox]

Which next next book would that be?

Revising the outline today, but it's another TOS book.

Beyond that, I'm going to be vague since the outline hasn't been fully approved yet.

 

[Kilana2]

All good things come to an end.

I´ll wrap this up with a quote from Lenore "Always leave the audience wanting more...."

I couldn´t agree more.

 

[JD]

Which next next book would that be?

Revising the outline today, but it's another TOS book.

Beyond that, I'm going to be vague since the outline hasn't been fully approved yet.

Is this the first book in the 50th anniversary trilogy David Mack mentioned?