The New Movies Yea or Nay

[Nerys Myk]

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So I don't get the gripe.

So here's the wonderful thing about that. It's not for you to 'get.' I was just stating that it crossed a personal threshold for me in terms of plausibility. Not all 'gripes are up for debate. Sometimes they just are what they are, so now you needn't lose anymore sleep.

I just find the placement of the "crossed line" to be odd. Why that particular thing. I do not seek debate, merely understanding.

 

[IrishNero]

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Gotcha. To clarify, it just seemed a very large sum more implausible than say, beaming aboard a stationary ship orbiting a planet in the system nearby. I agree that by modern technology's standards, almost everything we see is implausible. But if you're going to support suspended disbelief, then you have to (as a writer) accept that there needs to be a boundary; after which you are creating whatever you want, willy-nilly. It doesn't seem terribly crafty in the Kirk way, and seemed created in haste in order to get him back aboard the ship so the main storyline could continue. That's really all I meant by my statement. I hope that clarifies.

 

[Nerys Myk]

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Gotcha. To clarify, it just seemed a very large sum more implausible than say, beaming aboard a stationary ship orbiting a planet in the system nearby. I agree that by modern technology's standards, almost everything we see is implausible. But if you're going to support suspended disbelief, then you have to (as a writer) accept that there needs to be a boundary; after which you are creating whatever you want, willy-nilly. It doesn't seem terribly crafty in the Kirk way, and seemed created in haste in order to get him back aboard the ship so the main storyline could continue. That's really all I meant by my statement. I hope that clarifies.

As I said, it seems like a logical next step in the fictional tech and it's from the 24th Century, so not willy nilly. Different strokes.

 

[Nebusj]

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I give the new movies a qualified yay.

I love the energy that goes into the productions, most of all: I really feel like the people making the films care about making something engaging, and that's been like a breath of fresh air after a lot of burnout. I mean, the 2009 film and Nemesis share a lot of the same Big Menacing Beats, but Nemesis is a slog while the 2009 film fun.

I also really, really like that they are trying to stuff these little views of the New Trek universe as full as possible with stuff to think about, especially that all these little things are not jokes but are, really, things that could be stories, if the camera happened to focus on them. I mean, a scrolling news ticker about the Velakians? That is a different attitude towards the production than, say, making the disposable crewmembers of Voyager be the cast of The West Wing.

That said, I like that the Original Star Trek was a (basically) adult western-in-space, with serious-minded characters facing the challenge of bringing order and justice to a realm vaster than they can manage and facing failure even in successes. The new movies have struck me as much more directly space opera, oversized personalities facing oversized menaces and coming out ahead by dint of oversized risks and ever-broadening mental horizons. That is fun --- that is great --- but it does bring the movies farther from what I liked about the Original Series Kirk and company. The New 1701 is a thrilling ship and I'm glad to know about it, but I feel like it couldn't support a story like ``What Are Little Girls Made Of'' or ``A Private Little War'' and I do regret.

 

[CorporalClegg]

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[IrishNero]

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Different strokes.

Indeed.

 

[Amaris]

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I would like to second Fluttershy's approval.

 

[JoeP]

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[Myko]

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As I said, it seems like a logical next step in the fictional tech and it's from the 24th Century, so not willy nilly. Different strokes.

I agree with you that having the tech being from the 24th century (via old Spock) is a reasonable explanation. For me the problem is that I don't want any 24th century tech in my TOS films. This is "entertaining movie" vs "realistic world building". Yes, Star Trek has jumped the shark many times on the world building aspect, but I still want that more than entertaining movie. (Both would be best!)

 

[Therin of Andor]

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maybe it was the klingons then I know one race they vastly changed their look. I only saw the movie once since I was not a fan.

There were helmet-wearing Klingons in "Into Darkness" (and one revealed), and cut scenes (see bonus features) in the 2009 film.

But TOS changed the Klingons in each appearance (complexion), and then the movies started playing with a huge variety of cranial shapes in TMP, ST III, ST VI and the 24th century Klingons. Different every time we saw them.

The one Klingon in STiD, with his cool cranial piercings and unusual eyes, could easily fit in with such variety.

 

[fireproof78]

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maybe it was the klingons then I know one race they vastly changed their look. I only saw the movie once since I was not a fan.

There were helmet-wearing Klingons in "Into Darkness" (and one revealed), and cut scenes (see bonus features) in the 2009 film.

But TOS changed the Klingons in each appearance (complexion), and then the movies started playing with a huge variety of cranial shapes in TMP, ST III, ST VI and the 24th century Klingons. Different every time we saw them.

The one Klingon in STiD, with his cool cranial piercings and unusual eyes, could easily fit in with such variety.

I thought the Klingon look was quite unique in its idea and execution. Since we really have not seen Klingons in this new alternate universe it was definitely memorable look that stands out in my mind.

 

[IrishNero]

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I think Klingons of the past often looked quite comical even though they were often intended to look intimidating. I think the Klingons in this movie were the first to get it right. They seemed pretty menacing to me anyway.

 

[Sindatur]

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I think Klingons of the past often looked quite comical even though they were often intended to look intimidating. I think the Klingons in this movie were the first to get it right. They seemed pretty menacing to me anyway.

I won't go so far as to say it's the first time getting them right, but, seeing them with the cranial ridge piercings, it looks completely natural, and you wonder why we've never seen any of them with any piercings there before.

 

[Mudd]

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I think Urban does a tremendous job as McCoy. But, I like that they are trying new dynamics. If I want the same exact recipe, I can just watch TOS.

It's a shame NuUhura isn't very 'dynamic' enough to pull it off.

Not so. Saldana is a marvelous actor, and certainly not going to be consigned to opening hailing frequencies and randomly announcing that she's frightened.

 

[martok2112]

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Saldana as Uhura rocks....'nuff said!

 

[Amaris]

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I think Urban does a tremendous job as McCoy. But, I like that they are trying new dynamics. If I want the same exact recipe, I can just watch TOS.

It's a shame NuUhura isn't very 'dynamic' enough to pull it off.

Not so. Saldana is a marvelous actor, and certainly not going to be consigned to opening hailing frequencies and randomly announcing that she's frightened.

Agreed. I mean, if facing a horde of Klingons, getting involved in a deadly firefight, asserting her right to be assigned to the best ship in the fleet, her expertise in linguistics has saving the ship from ambush, and beaming down to help confront a genetic superman isn't dynamic enough, then the original Captain Kirk was a staid, boring lightweight, and Spock put us all to sleep. Fortunately, there's no way that's accurate.

 

[shapeshifter]

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I think Klingons of the past often looked quite comical even though they were often intended to look intimidating. I think the Klingons in this movie were the first to get it right. They seemed pretty menacing to me anyway.

I won't go so far as to say it's the first time getting them right, but, seeing them with the cranial ridge piercings, it looks completely natural, and you wonder why we've never seen any of them with any piercings there before.

Because they were afraid of going too far and pissing off the primary cash cow of the franshise - fandom.

Now they aren't the only source of milk, regular people are also paying so risk is diminished, and even rewarded.

 

[Sindatur]

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I think Klingons of the past often looked quite comical even though they were often intended to look intimidating. I think the Klingons in this movie were the first to get it right. They seemed pretty menacing to me anyway.

I won't go so far as to say it's the first time getting them right, but, seeing them with the cranial ridge piercings, it looks completely natural, and you wonder why we've never seen any of them with any piercings there before.

Because they were afraid of going too far and pissing off the primary cash cow of the franshise - fandom.

Now they aren't the only source of milk, regular people are also paying so risk is diminished, and even rewarded.

Oh, certainly. I just meant, after seeing it, it drove home, from an In-Universe perspective, it's strange (considering Human propensity foir peircings) that there had never been a Klingon in the past with such peircings.

 

[shapeshifter]

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^

Oh yeah , forgot to add my answer to the topic. Hell Yay!

 

[IrishNero]

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