Star Wars: Episode VII: The Nerd Rage Awakens

[theenglish]

So Disney/Marvel/Lucasfilm want people to forget Episodes I-III?


What's this then?

http://www.comicbookresources.com/comic-previews/darth-vader-3-marvel-comics-2015

Yeah, the haters can ignore the Prequels all they like (and I've given the films my share of criticism and eyerolls over the years) but they're canon, they're part of the continuity and they're not going away. The comics aren't my thing most of the time, anyways.

I read that preview--but I missed why it caused such a reaction. Can you explain?

 

[cooleddie74]

My post was just a general reply to any and all opinions that the Prequels should be completely ignored or even rebooted, plus my general disinterest in many of the modern comics, not so much the content of the article. I wasn't really replying to the article as much as venting.

 

[theenglish]

My post was just a general reply to any and all opinions that the Prequels should be completely ignored or even rebooted, plus my general disinterest in many of the modern comics, not so much the content of the article. I wasn't really replying to the article as much as venting.

Understood, but Doctor Whovian's comment seemed to suggest that this comic is ignoring the prequels.

 

[Ithekro]

No, his comment was that this comic clearly does not ignore the prequels. The rumor mill has suggested that Disney will ignore the prequels because some of the fanbase want to forget about it entirely. This is not the case since Rebels is following on Clone Wars which is based on the prequels.

One cannot escape I - III. One can only use what is given to make a story.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Ignoring and contradicting are two different things. Ignoring encompasses the possibility of simply focusing on other stuff. Contradicting is a very specific kind of ignoring.

 

[Skywalker]

Honestly I think ignoring the prequels would be kind of lazy of them. They happened, we all saw them. I'd rather see them take stuff the prequels and improve upon it, utilize the prequels in a creative way that enriches both them and these new movies.

 

[Doctorwhovian]

To clarify a bit:

The alien guy who greets Vader in the preview is clearly a Polis Massan, the inhabitants of the asteroid where Luke & Leia are born at the end of ROTS.

Also the droids are Super Battle Droids, although in a gold color.


Also,
The first issue I believe featured a Wookie bounty hunter in regalia similar to ROTS, and ends with Vader standing over the remains of a Tusken village (recently destroyed, not the same one from AOTC though).


Future issues have also suggested that Vader will return to Geonosis (The planet at the climax of AOTC) and deal with the standard battle droids, and also a storyline about Vader investigating the origins of Palpatine (Although whether it will incorporate anything from the now non-canon Darth Plagueis novel remains to be seen)


Marvel is also releasing a series featuring Kaleb from Rebels, which takes place during the "Dark Times" but uses the clonetroopers and the term Padawan at least.

 

[JD]

I think that The Clone Wars proved that it is possible to use material from the PT to make something really good. With the main VII-IX trilogy, we'll be at year 66 of the new canon timeline, with TPM being at year 0. So I don't see to much from that era having to big of an impact on the new trilogy.

 

[cooleddie74]

Honestly I think ignoring the prequels would be kind of lazy of them. They happened, we all saw them. I'd rather see them take stuff the prequels and improve upon it, utilize the prequels in a creative way that enriches both them and these new movies.

This.

I can understand why some fans don't like the prequels and pretend that they don't exist, but asking or expecting Disney and Lucasfilm to ignore, dacanonize or even reboot Episodes I, II and III just because some people in the fanbase can't stand them is one of the dumbest arguments I've ever heard come out of the Star Wars community. They exist and they're part of the backstory to this universe. Build on and expand upon them but don't whine that they even exist in the first place. Some fans treat the franchise as though it were public domain and they can change what they want.

 

[CorporalClegg]

LOL, Star Wars is everything. I watch Trek every day, but this new timeline felt shallow and gimmicky overall... I don't care as much what happens in it.

But at least it's cinematic.

 

[theenglish]

Honestly I think ignoring the prequels would be kind of lazy of them. They happened, we all saw them. I'd rather see them take stuff the prequels and improve upon it, utilize the prequels in a creative way that enriches both them and these new movies.

This.

I can understand why some fans don't like the prequels and pretend that they don't exist, but asking or expecting Disney and Lucasfilm to ignore, dacanonize or even reboot Episodes I, II and III just because some people in the fanbase can't stand them is one of the dumbest arguments I've ever heard come out of the Star Wars community. They exist and they're part of the backstory to this universe. Build on and expand upon them but don't whine that they even exist in the first place. Some fans treat the franchise as though it were public domain and they can change what they want.

George Martin has the same complaint.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I agree with cooleddie74, JD, and Skywalker. I was just pointing out that the rumor that the PT will be ignored in some way doesn't imply that the PT will be contradicted, even if it's true.

Even if the PT is ignored, it won't be contradicted. Besides, JD makes an excellent point that TCW has already shown that the PT can be built on positively, to good effect.

Ignoring and contradicting are two different things. Ignoring encompasses the possibility of simply focusing on other stuff. Contradicting is a very specific kind of ignoring.

Spoiler: Rebels

The fact that Ahsoka is in Rebels now is further confirmation that going forward the PT won't be ignored. No PT, no TCW, no Ahsoka.

 

[fireproof78]

I agree with cooleddie74, JD, and Skywalker. I was just pointing out that the rumor that the PT will be ignored in some way doesn't imply that the PT will be contradicted, even if it's true.

Even if the PT is ignored, it won't be contradicted. Besides, JD makes an excellent point that TCW has already shown that the PT can be built on positively, to good effect.

Ignoring and contradicting are two different things. Ignoring encompasses the possibility of simply focusing on other stuff. Contradicting is a very specific kind of ignoring.

Spoiler: Rebels

The fact that Ahsoka is in Rebels now is further confirmation that going forward the PT won't be ignored. No PT, no TCW, no Ahsoka.

I don't want to ignore every aspect of the PT but there are definitely parts I could do without. But, I agree that TCW demonstrated the ability to build off of the PT in an interesting way.

 

[The Old Mixer]

George Martin has the same complaint.

Which
one
?

 

[Shaka Zulu]

Re: New Casting and Story Rumors re: EPISODE VII

I'd love to see Hamil, Fisher and Ford play the characters again, with no kids or already established secondary characters. The EU already did their families and the general story just fine, abrams needs to leave it alone. I hope whatever Abrams poops out is harmless enough to leave the good Star wars stuff alone. Best case scenario, they just have the old three go on an adventure, and be really nonspecific about dates or events between episodes 6 and 7. That way, we can at least see the old actors being cool, and I'm not sure if even Abrams can screw up Ford or Hamill, their performances would probably be good regardless of who wrote the script or directed. I'm not sure about Fisher, but honestly she doesn't seem like someone who'd want to come back anyway, although she apparently has done a bit of acting in recent times.

That's assuming we get the old three back. If not, and its just a story with younger actors playing the trio, there isn't much to be done, except to at least try to not be as stupid as some of the prequel stuff. In this scenario, just not having a lame comedy relief character like Jar Jar is about the best that could be hoped for. I may think Lucas is a better writer/director than abrams (and Lucas isn't very good), but even Abrams can learn a little bit from Lucas's prequel mistakes. I would honestly be surprised if we get a movie as bad as Episodes 1 or 2. More infuriating, and more damaging to the Star Wars universe? Absolutely possible/probably, but taken by itself, thinking about it honestly, it will probably not be as bad of a movie as the first two prequels, regardless of what it does to the franchise.

What is it with all of this 'Abrams screwing up Star Wars' bullcaca? People weren't satisfied with George Lucas directing, and now they're equally unsatisfied with Abrams directing the new movies. What the frack do these people want?

 

[theenglish]

George Martin has the same complaint.

Which
one
?

That fans think Song of Ice and Fire is in the public domain. I think he said some fans think the series is a Choose Your Own Adventure story.

 

[fireproof78]

George Martin has the same complaint.

Which
one
?

That fans think Song of Ice and Fire is in the public domain. I think he said some fans think the series is a Choose Your Own Adventure story.

I would not choose that adventure

 

[Sindatur]

Re: New Casting and Story Rumors re: EPISODE VII

I'd love to see Hamil, Fisher and Ford play the characters again, with no kids or already established secondary characters. The EU already did their families and the general story just fine, abrams needs to leave it alone. I hope whatever Abrams poops out is harmless enough to leave the good Star wars stuff alone. Best case scenario, they just have the old three go on an adventure, and be really nonspecific about dates or events between episodes 6 and 7. That way, we can at least see the old actors being cool, and I'm not sure if even Abrams can screw up Ford or Hamill, their performances would probably be good regardless of who wrote the script or directed. I'm not sure about Fisher, but honestly she doesn't seem like someone who'd want to come back anyway, although she apparently has done a bit of acting in recent times.

That's assuming we get the old three back. If not, and its just a story with younger actors playing the trio, there isn't much to be done, except to at least try to not be as stupid as some of the prequel stuff. In this scenario, just not having a lame comedy relief character like Jar Jar is about the best that could be hoped for. I may think Lucas is a better writer/director than abrams (and Lucas isn't very good), but even Abrams can learn a little bit from Lucas's prequel mistakes. I would honestly be surprised if we get a movie as bad as Episodes 1 or 2. More infuriating, and more damaging to the Star Wars universe? Absolutely possible/probably, but taken by itself, thinking about it honestly, it will probably not be as bad of a movie as the first two prequels, regardless of what it does to the franchise.

What is it with all of this 'Abrams screwing up Star Wars' bullcaca? People weren't satisfied with George Lucas directing, and now they're equally unsatisfied with Abrams directing the new movies. What the frack do these people want?

If you skip forward a bit in the thread, you'll find that Kirk55555 has come a million miles from that post in the time since this thread started. He no longer has a negative fear about the movie, he's actually excited for what may come with the movie now (See the last couple/few posts he made in this thread, the last time someone dug up that post or a similar one from way back when)

 

[The Old Mixer]

So you were talking about the one who uses his middle initials, as opposed to the one who doesn't.

 

[theenglish]

So you were talking about the one who uses his middle initials, as opposed to the one who doesn't.

LOL--yes.