What is/are the worst or most unbelievable plot convenience device(s)

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  1. BillJ

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    Re: What is/are the worst or most unbelievable plot convenience device

    You're working under the assumption that the small device doesn't tap into a much bigger power source/infrastructure.

    As far as things looking more advanced, I find it far less shocking a transition than TOS to TMP. Technology could have been moved ahead by scans of the Narada done by escaping Kelvin shuttle craft. Spock Prime was needed to make transwarp beaming possible.

    What perplexes me is that fans give so many nonsensical things in the various series and movies a pass. But when Abrams does something, it becomes universe breaking.
     
  2. kirkfan

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    True, it could simply be a remote and even in Kirk's universe remote control devices can be very small. Like the microscopic pellet that Kirk had under his skin in TUC and that Spock could pick up light years away.
     
  3. CuttingEdge100

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    The Enterprise is the Only Starship in Interception Range: Even when it's sitting in Earth Orbit.
     
  4. kirkfan

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    Maybe the other ships are all undergoing a refit.:lol:
     
  5. F. King Daniel

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    Re: What is/are the worst or most unbelievable plot convenience device

    But it's technology from years after Nemesis. Can I believe TOS-era Starfleet developing it by themselves? Actually, yes (remember telekinetic superpowers via hypospray in "Plato's Stepchildren"?) BUT that's beside the point. Can I see post-"Relics" Scotty and post-Nemesis Starfleet figuring it out? Definitely, just look at the similar techs and examples in this thread. Can I see the 23rd century AU adapting that magical future formula the way we see in ID, resulting in a bag sized transwarp teleporter? Absolutely.
     
  6. kirkfan

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    Re: What is/are the worst or most unbelievable plot convenience device

    "Post Nemesis"? I don't think there is anything post Nemesis, that we know of.
     
  7. BillJ

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    Re: What is/are the worst or most unbelievable plot convenience device

    Putting two and two together. We have the beginnings of long-range beaming in TNG and then we have the miniaturization of transporter technology in Star Trek: Nemesis.
     
  8. kirkfan

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    Ok, then.:)
     
  9. tharpdevenport

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    It's not buyable. If one could do that, it opens up even more huge gapping plotholes even Leroy Comrie, Chris Christie, and that guy they had to tear his house apart and air lift him for medical help because he was so huge, could jump threw after a month of McDonald's.

    Just as perplexing to you, is to me fans who wave off something jsut because some past episode of one of the series has some bizarre stupid technological McGuffin device. I don't excuse all Trek, in fact I chose to ignore parts of it, such as all of Nemesis.


    As far as I'm concerned, JJ gets too many allowances. Lets just shine some lens flares in his eyes and distract him with some jingly keys and hope he goes away. Not a popular opinion, I know.
     
  10. Cyke101

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    Point about the Defiants -- they seemed to get produced fairly well. The giant Fed klingon fleet at the beginning of the war had several Defiants. Apparently Starfleet had two more to spare to go after Prometheus shortly before. Then Endgame showed two more. So it could be that they just dont seem to be mass produced because it's still a young class compared to the Mirandas and Excelsiors and Akiras.
     
  11. kirkfan

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    ^At what point does a ship qualify as being mass produced?
     
  12. tharpdevenport

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    If I had to venture my own guess: a ship class is mass produced beyond the standard need. If there's a war or some need that requires more than vessels than Starfleet even readily has captains for, it is mass produced.
     
  13. MacLeod

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    A class of ships might never be mass produced, no doubt Starfleet develops many prototypes of vessels and only some of those make it to the production stage and even fewer make it to the mass production stage
     
  14. kirkfan

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    Thank you but that wasn't my question which is: At what rate must a ship be produced to qualify as being mass produced?
     
  15. Cyke101

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    Your guess is as good as mine. My point is that there's more than a couple Defiants in Starfleet. I'd have to hazard a guess that we'd eventually see Defiants more often in a couple decades, simply because there'd be more time to actually build them, like how we started gradually seeing more and more Akiras.

    It could very well be that Starfleet decided to move more Defiants into production because of the looming threat of the Dominion. Valiant could be an example of this.
     
  16. Kobayshi Maru

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    I'd have to say the whole nexus thing. I mean so Picard can enter it and leave it when he wants but how about Soran, once he's in the Nexus, why can't he do some temporal manipulation himself to insure that Picard can't prevent him from launching the missile. It's a two-way street.
     
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    3. different starships, like the Ent.D and a Warbird, always meet up in exactly the same orientation, on the same horizontal plane. While in space they would probably arrive at an angle or upside down.

    2. Transporters. Who on earth would step in such a death-ray and cloning machine?!

    1. Humanoid species. Arggh#@! I want more horta's, shape shifters and cat paws!
     
  18. Vger23

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    Re: What is/are the worst or most unbelievable plot convenience device

    The overuse of the main deflector dish for various purposes in the TNG era was almost inconceivably ridiculous.
     
  19. BillJ

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    The Swiss Army Knife of the 24th century!
     
  20. Kobayshi Maru

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    3. Maybe their computers arrange those ships to be oriented the same way. There could be a standard procedure that all ships agree to perform.

    2. They keep saying it's safe but I remain unconvinced.

    1. They look humanoid but sometimes they have a different color of blood (when it's plot convenient) and different internal organs. The klingons have pink blood!!! (of all people, huh?:lol:) Pink blood does seem kinda sissy, doesn't it?