The Walking Dead Season 5

[yenny]

I suspect the series may last for 10 seasons, I think it'd be hard for a TV series to make it much past that without starting to get too stale and at some point they'd need to have some serious time-jumps or better track show-time with real-world time so that the ages of the characters don't clash too much with the age of the actors. Carl is still ridiculous, he's a teenager and in show-time it was only two years ago he was in grade-school awed by a deer in the woods.

I hope that they just ignore Carl's age like they have been doing until now. No need to reference it. They've already cast other teenagers in the show to be same age as Carl instead of younger kids so they seem to be doing exactly that. They can just grow up Judith if they need younger kid-characters in the show.

They could've let more time pass in the prison and age Judith. It would make Carl's rapid aging look less ludicrous.

That's kind of it. Ignoring Carl's age pretty much changes huge chunks of the show into not making sense. It's only been inside of a couple of years since Rick woke up at the hospital, Judith's age plus a nine to ten month gestation period. Chandler Riggs is 15, if he's the same age as Carl "now is" due to what we'll consider soap-opera aging this means he was 13 when he got shot in a forest because he was awed by a deer.

He couldn't handle being out of the house alone without people wondering where he was, he was picked up from middle school/Jr. High the day his father was shot, not grade-school.

Think of everything Carl does and says in the first couple of seasons and think if any of it makes any sense being applied to a 13-year old. That's the age of my niece and I can't see her being so captured by a deer in front of her and gushing over how beautiful it was.

Now, we could argue we're at a tipping point, a point where maybe Carl being that age can *almost* make a tiny bit of sense. But only almost. Because at some point, especially if we don't have a meaningful time-jump a lot of this "young Carl" stuff is going to have happened when he was a teenager which is going to make the early part of the series kind-of look silly, especially on a re-watch. Lori was sitting outside Carl's high-school talking to a fellow parent about her marital troubles when Shane rolled up to tell them about Rick being shot.

How many mothers pick their child up from high-school?

How many teenage boys are stricken with awe and wonder over a deer?

So either we need a time-jump, or Carl is going to need to die in order for the series' time-line to make any kind of sense. They can keep getting babies of varying ages to "re cast" Judith who's essentially a prop at this point. But what's going to happen when there's an 18-year age gap between present-day Carl and present-day Judith?

I'm wondering if they add 4 or 8 episode to a season, would it help them catch up with the comics?

 

[jbny67]

They really aren't that far behind the comics. If they wanted, they can catch up rather quickly.
The Negan storyline and the current storyline that just started are all that haven't been covered.
If they want to they could easily catch up to the comics by the end of next season.
I doubt they will though.
I'm guessing that Negan will take up all or most of next season. That would allow the comics to get a little further ahead.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

It's not about knowing the specifics of Carol's background though. It's about reading her acting performance. Carol is the only one acting like that right now. Now, there's probably some rationale you could apply as to why a person might be behaving like she is, when the others are not (Like she was maybe the last to join Rick's group or something) but realistically, it's suspect, when everybody else in Rick's group is blatantly worn, frazzled, skittish, hardened & on the ragged edge, that Carol isn't acting like that is something of a red flag. I mean if someone fancies themselves a masterful judge of character, being able to spot a wolf in sheep's clothing would clearly fall into that wheelhouse, & that's exactly what Carol's doing right now. She's a wolf & she's playing sheep, & though it might be blending well with the neighbors, it tends to stick out amongst Rick's other people, who generally have been suspicious, judgmental, confrontational, aloof, and altogether unfriendly

But that's where the "den mother" part of the character comes into play; anyone can join a group without picking up the same mindset as the others. As far back as the beginning of the prison arc, you can have a Milton functioning around decidedly dark personalities such as the Governor, Merle or Martinez, but it raises no suspicions. In fact, like Milton, if the "weaker" member has always been in a protected position, they would tend to hold on to their natural personality, as they have not been forced to adopt the harder behavior (essentially, part of the argument the Governor used against Milton in "Welcome to the Tombs").

This can apply to Carol-lite, and realistically, it should be considered by Deanna, unless she's so desperate to mark outsiders / look for conflict.

Daryl doing something rash now--as some reaction to the "normalcy" of the ASZ would be too out of character.

Not really. I think one thing that's been established about Daryl is that he still carries his contempt from before the apocalypse to the present. He showed a lot of resentment for the rich people at the golf club, and scoffed at that painting because it would be owned by rich people. Then all of sudden his group comes into this neighborhood that was basically built for rich people, and is likely still populated by some of them. Regardless of how his character has changed, he will never be able to adjust to that.

I don't think that means he's gonna snap and go insane though. He might just leave or hang outside the walls in one of those dilapidated houses. Or maybe he'll be sent into exile after beating the crap out of Aidan. Something has to give though.

I hope nothing has to give, otherwise, I feel all of his own growth, plus the influence of early Rick, Hershel and particularly Beth during their time post prison, just falls by the wayside in favor of the ease of going back into a shell.

 

[Reverend]

It's not about knowing the specifics of Carol's background though. It's about reading her acting performance. Carol is the only one acting like that right now. Now, there's probably some rationale you could apply as to why a person might be behaving like she is, when the others are not (Like she was maybe the last to join Rick's group or something) but realistically, it's suspect, when everybody else in Rick's group is blatantly worn, frazzled, skittish, hardened & on the ragged edge, that Carol isn't acting like that is something of a red flag. I mean if someone fancies themselves a masterful judge of character, being able to spot a wolf in sheep's clothing would clearly fall into that wheelhouse, & that's exactly what Carol's doing right now. She's a wolf & she's playing sheep, & though it might be blending well with the neighbors, it tends to stick out amongst Rick's other people, who generally have been suspicious, judgmental, confrontational, aloof, and altogether unfriendly

But that's where the "den mother" part of the character comes into play; anyone can join a group without picking up the same mindset as the others. As far back as the beginning of the prison arc, you can have a Milton functioning around decidedly dark personalities such as the Governor, Merle or Martinez, but it raises no suspicions. In fact, like Milton, if the "weaker" member has always been in a protected position, they would tend to hold on to their natural personality, as they have not been forced to adopt the harder behavior (essentially, part of the argument the Governor used against Milton in "Welcome to the Tombs").

This can apply to Carol-lite, and realistically, it should be considered by Deanna, unless she's so desperate to mark outsiders / look for conflict.

^Plus there's Eugene, who is quite obviously not the hardened badarse that most of the others are. Likewise until recently there was also Beth, who while not nearly a helpless as Eugene, had a decidedly brighter personality than most of the others. And of course the priest who's practically a liability in a fight.

Indeed, it could have been the presence of these "weaker" members and the group's willingness to protect them that convinced Aaron that they were at least approachable.

 

[Ethros]

They really aren't that far behind the comics. If they wanted, they can catch up rather quickly.
The Negan storyline and the current storyline that just started are all that haven't been covered.

erm not really. As I said the last episode is up to issue #71, Negan doesn't even appear till #100.
Or if you're going by graphic novels we're up to Vol. 12 and Negan appears in Vol. 17.

Spoiler: comic spoilero

In order for the Negan plot to work, if that is of course if they wanna do it like the show, you have to have them discover the other colonies out there, like the Hilltop and the Kingdom.
And there's that whole thing with the zombie attack of Alexandria, where Carl gets a new look. That will be a huge thing for the show to cover.
And there's still whatever they're planning on doing with Morgan. In the comic he's already part of the gang when they get to Alexandria, in the show he's still trailing behind.
There's a great plotline they can do for Abraham where's afraid to ever leave beyond the walls.
etc etc etc

I'm sure some things will be skimmed over, but still..

 

[Ryan8bit]

Yeah, I kinda wish the internet would just stop talking about Negan. They've been doing so for the last few years and it gets annoying. 6B should be about the earliest we see him.

So either we need a time-jump

Or we could just say that he matured quickly personality-wise because of the ZA, and that's good enough. If they follow the comics, there probably will be a time jump at some point.

 

[Mojochi]

It's not about knowing the specifics of Carol's background though. It's about reading her acting performance. Carol is the only one acting like that right now. Now, there's probably some rationale you could apply as to why a person might be behaving like she is, when the others are not (Like she was maybe the last to join Rick's group or something) but realistically, it's suspect, when everybody else in Rick's group is blatantly worn, frazzled, skittish, hardened & on the ragged edge, that Carol isn't acting like that is something of a red flag. I mean if someone fancies themselves a masterful judge of character, being able to spot a wolf in sheep's clothing would clearly fall into that wheelhouse, & that's exactly what Carol's doing right now. She's a wolf & she's playing sheep, & though it might be blending well with the neighbors, it tends to stick out amongst Rick's other people, who generally have been suspicious, judgmental, confrontational, aloof, and altogether unfriendly

But that's where the "den mother" part of the character comes into play; anyone can join a group without picking up the same mindset as the others. As far back as the beginning of the prison arc, you can have a Milton functioning around decidedly dark personalities such as the Governor, Merle or Martinez, but it raises no suspicions. In fact, like Milton, if the "weaker" member has always been in a protected position, they would tend to hold on to their natural personality, as they have not been forced to adopt the harder behavior (essentially, part of the argument the Governor used against Milton in "Welcome to the Tombs").

This can apply to Carol-lite, and realistically, it should be considered by Deanna, unless she's so desperate to mark outsiders / look for conflict.

^Plus there's Eugene, who is quite obviously not the hardened badarse that most of the others are. Likewise until recently there was also Beth, who while not nearly a helpless as Eugene, had a decidedly brighter personality than most of the others. And of course the priest who's practically a liability in a fight.

Indeed, it could have been the presence of these "weaker" members and the group's willingness to protect them that convinced Aaron that they were at least approachable.

But... Gabriel has clearly lost a lot of hope & faith, as evidenced by his burning the clerical collar. Eugene has been guilt ridden over lying due to dependence. They look beaten by the life just like all the rest, weak or not

Carol is the only one gushing with the "I'm a people person" nonsense, like she's a dang Mouseketeer. This is not a closed community Rick's been leading, such that someone that unaffected by the horrors of the ZA could be realistically shrouded from it. She's been traveling around for however long with a crossbow sporting maniac who almost popped one of the Alexandrians' heads like a zit, & a leader who when offered refuge, slugged a guy unconscious

There may be weaker people in Rick's group, & it could have been a factor of their invitation, like you say, but none of them are that optimistic sounding right now. So Carol is looking a bit odd in comparison. She is the one acting out of the ordinary, if you accept what everyone else is saying & behaving like. Christ, Rick wouldn't accept apple sauce, because he thought they might try to poison his baby. How does anybody live amongst THAT group & still be a seemingly unaffected cheerleader?

Maybe nothing will come of it, but it's just curious to me. Given the circumstances, I personally would find Carol's behavior unsettling, if everyone else were acting the complete opposite, & I don't live in a dog eat dog, end of days world. I just live in a world with a fair amount of BS, & have taught myself to watch for it or the signs of it. Carol's running a sales pitch, right there. "I'm a people person" C'mon... I don't expect everyone in town to see through it, but... maybe... the leader lady who fancies herself a masterful judge of character. Otherwise, she's just as dumb & naïve as the rest of her flock... Which is certainly possible

 

[jbny67]

They really aren't that far behind the comics. If they wanted, they can catch up rather quickly.
The Negan storyline and the current storyline that just started are all that haven't been covered.

erm not really. As I said the last episode is up to issue #71, Negan doesn't even appear till #100.
Or if you're going by graphic novels we're up to Vol. 12 and Negan appears in Vol. 17.

Spoiler: comic spoilero

In order for the Negan plot to work, if that is of course if they wanna do it like the show, you have to have them discover the other colonies out there, like the Hilltop and the Kingdom.
And there's that whole thing with the zombie attack of Alexandria, where Carl gets a new look. That will be a huge thing for the show to cover.
And there's still whatever they're planning on doing with Morgan. In the comic he's already part of the gang when they get to Alexandria, in the show he's still trailing behind.
There's a great plotline they can do for Abraham where's afraid to ever leave beyond the walls.
etc etc etc

I'm sure some things will be skimmed over, but still..

There's also the difference in storytelling of monthly comic vs weekly series to consider. There are times where an entire story from an issue of a comic can be told in between two commercial breaks on tv.

Spoiler: comic story spoilers

They may introduce the other communities by the end of this season and set up Negan for the start of the next.
The zombie attack of Alexandria could be used for the season finale this year leaving viewers unsure of Carl's fate. That would be a good opportunity to have the big dramatic ending to the season without killing another character.
I am curious to see how or if they handle both Carl losing an eye and Rick losing his hand on the show. Especially since Rick's hand is almost exactly what they did with Merle's hand. The just lose their hands under different circumstances.
They could easily wrap up Negan by the mid-season finale if they want to.
Then comes the time jump that everyone has been saying is needed due to Carl's age.

I'm not saying I think this is how they will handle things. Only that they could

I'm also curious as to how they will handle

Spoiler: more comic spoilers

The deaths of Abraham & Glen. How close to the comic story will they be & will they happens at all.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Spoiler: comic story spoilers

They may introduce the other communities by the end of this season and set up Negan for the start of the next.
The zombie attack of Alexandria could be used for the season finale this year leaving viewers unsure of Carl's fate. That would be a good opportunity to have the big dramatic ending to the season without killing another character.
I am curious to see how or if they handle both Carl losing an eye and Rick losing his hand on the show. Especially since Rick's hand is almost exactly what they did with Merle's hand. The just lose their hands under different circumstances.
They could easily wrap up Negan by the mid-season finale if they want to.
Then comes the time jump that everyone has been saying is needed due to Carl's age.

Spoiler: comic story spoilers

I hope the hand business never happens. As you point out, it already happened with Merle, and various comic character fates have been dumped or switched on TV characters (Maggie, Dale, Hershel, Tyreese, et al). Some think the pic of a severed hand belongs to Abraham, as it has a wedding band appearing one size too small for the finger. From what I see, the wedding band Rick wears has a normal fit. Whatever the case, the ZA world as presented in the series can be grim without yet more mutilations. From stabbed eyes, beheadings, hands amputated, and kids shot in the head, the short form TV series has a high amount of gruesome incidents. A comic can spread that out over hundreds of issues, but the show would seem overloaded if more of that hits the main characters.

Carol is the only one gushing with the "I'm a people person" nonsense, like she's a dang Mouseketeer. This is not a closed community Rick's been leading, such that someone that unaffected by the horrors of the ZA could be realistically shrouded from it. She's been traveling around for however long with a crossbow sporting maniac who almost popped one of the Alexandrians' heads like a zit, & a leader who when offered refuge, slugged a guy unconscious

That's the reason I mentioned Milton: he retained his meek personality, but was well aware of the Governor's murders and butchery. That was not hidden from him. That said, one can exist in that world without becoming like the worst its inhabitants. Carol is likely playing on that realization, and with no other character trait exhibited, Deanna would be foolish to suspect and/or act against Carol based on painting the group with Rick/Daryl colors.

I personally would find Carol's behavior unsettling, if everyone else were acting the complete opposite, & I don't live in a dog eat dog, end of days world. I just live in a world with a fair amount of BS, & have taught myself to watch for it or the signs of it. Carol's running a sales pitch, right there. "I'm a people person" C'mon... I don't expect everyone in town to see through it, but... maybe... the leader lady who fancies herself a masterful judge of character. Otherwise, she's just as dumb & naïve as the rest of her flock... Which is certainly possible

Again, not giving Carol the benefit of the doubt paints her in the same broad brush used against the rest. That would be as myopic as the Governor thinking Team Prison contained no good people, thus all had to die.

 

[Morpheus 02]

Deanna--no matter how good a poker player she thinks she is--is not capable of knowing Carol's background and changes in the wake of Ed & Sophia's death. Carol has the advantage of another life to "play" which suggest nothing screwy.

Unlike Rick--who plays it fairly straight as a grim, suspicious survivalist, Carol never approached Aaron or Deanna in that way. It would be to their failing to waste time over analyzing Carol, which would would allow others in Rick's group--the "obvious" threats--to plot and act at will.

Still, if Deanna somehow figures Carol out, that would be convenient plotting, as she has nothing to work with in reaching a conclusion about her true self. At least Dawn had real feedback to work with in her exchanges with Beth. Though she failed to recognize Beth's strength, Greene still offered more than a completely fake history--and that is all Deanna has to work with.

It's not about knowing the specifics of Carol's background though. It's about reading her acting performance. Carol is the only one acting like that right now. Now, there's probably some rationale you could apply as to why a person might be behaving like she is, when the others are not (Like she was maybe the last to join Rick's group or something) but realistically, it's suspect, when everybody else in Rick's group is blatantly worn, frazzled, skittish, hardened & on the ragged edge, that Carol isn't acting like that is something of a red flag. I mean if someone fancies themselves a masterful judge of character, being able to spot a wolf in sheep's clothing would clearly fall into that wheelhouse, & that's exactly what Carol's doing right now. She's a wolf & she's playing sheep, & though it might be blending well with the neighbors, it tends to stick out amongst Rick's other people, who generally have been suspicious, judgmental, confrontational, aloof, and altogether unfriendly

I'm not saying that's how it'll play out, or that it's going anywhere specific, but it could, & it's just interesting to think about. Frankly, Carol is the one acting unusually

Actually, not everyone. Gabriel is even greener. And with his story, there's believability that "weak" people survived...especially if he shares how Rick's group helped him rather than kill or enslave him.

Eugene is also clearly not "hardened". If they said anything

And Tara has only been at this, what 3 months or so? How long has it been since she became an active Walker killer? Wasn't she holed up in her apartment for at least a year? (9 months for Judith to be born, at least 3 months of the Governor wandering around until he found the apartment).

Also, a lot of Carol's "sweetness" can be verified for others...like her role as teaching the children at the prison...her having a daughter, and losing her. She omitted singlehanded rescuing the group from cannibals on he verbal resume, and i doubt anyone else brought it up. Z

The "domesticated" stuff she describe really was her life back then, right? And Deanna has the mindset that what people were before everything went down is pretty relevent for people's lives in the new world... she might be more inclined to believe the weak version of Carol.

We'll see how it plays out by the season finale....maybe when the big baddies invade...all the ASZ people around Carol will truthfully say they think Carol is harmless...and then the bad guy henchmen get a big surprise....shock ASZ people can't believe what they saw...and maybe one gets killed because of it....

 

[Mojochi]

That's the reason I mentioned Milton: he retained his meek personality, but was well aware of the Governor's murders and butchery.

My point is that Milton was sheltered in a walled off community. Carol is wandering the open country with these people. A weak (& trustworthy) person in that group, sure, (For a while until they get strong) but a completely idealistic one, talking about Junior League & whatnot, smacks of phony. Though I don't really have an issue with it. I think it's rather interesting that she's going that route. Maybe someone catches on, maybe they don't. I'd find it odd, when you got Glenn talking about almost being out there too long, & Rick laying down the warning talk about how everyone out there is measuring you for what they can take. That just doesn't jive with Carol's "persona" imo

It's got some juice too it, I don't deny, especially when (As Morpheus said) she's actually tacked on elements of her real history to the story. The best cons have elements of truth, but if this Deanna lady is worth the credit she gives herself, I'd hope to see her clue into the BS. Not necessarily to make a big case out of it, but maybe to just offhandedly let Carol know it's not selling. lol

 

[jbny67]

Some promo clips from the next episode

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[Mojochi]

Something I found interesting was the scavenging Rick's group were doing while in Alexandria. I lost count of how many people grabbed up reading material. Carol grabbing up some papers as she left the empty house, Carl snagging the comic book, Michonne borrowing one of Deanna's books at her interview, and Daryl spending an inordinate amount of time poking through her candy dish, before deciding none of it was worth anything to him. Daryl was so priceless in that episode

They' re damn near feral. Their 1st instinct is to rummage

 

[jbny67]

I saw a couple of interesting things in some articles I was reading about the show.

The first one was about the titles of the last few episodes of this season.

Back in the 1st season, when Dale was asked why he still bothered to keep track of what time it was. The last part of his response was...

"I give it to you not that you may remember time, but that you may forget it. For a moment, now and then, and not spend all of your breath trying to conquer it.'”

The titles for the final 5 episodes are
Ep 12 - Remember
Ep 13 - Forget
Ep 14 - Spend
Ep 15 - Trying
Ep 16 - Conquer

Also, in an interview about the episode from last week, Greg Nicoterotalked about a montage sequence that was cut for time

"There were a couple of scenes that we had to lose due to time—a really interesting sequence. It was when all of them were going to work for their jobs. We see Rosita going to meet [Jessie’s husband] Pete, and we see Abraham going to meet the crew that is building the wall, and we see Eugene going to meet with a worker to discuss the solar array. And we also see Maggie going to work with Deanna. So it was a great little montage, and we had to lose it strictly for time. But it was this great moment where people were having to deal with the emotion of assimilating back into what is such a normal world in an abnormal universe."

It's a shame this scene had to be cut. It would have shown the expansion construction and let us see a few more people in the town.

 

[Mojochi]

Honestly, if they only plan to shoot 16 episodes, and halve them, they should expand it to 90 minutes. Who's going to object? WTF else do they got running that night, Kevin Smith's stupid comic shop? These people write and shoot so much more than they can ever use.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

My point is that Milton was sheltered in a walled off community. Carol is wandering the open country with these people. A weak (& trustworthy) person in that group, sure, (For a while until they get strong) but a completely idealistic one, talking about Junior League & whatnot, smacks of phony. Though I don't really have an issue with it. I think it's rather interesting that she's going that route. Maybe someone catches on, maybe they don't. I'd find it odd, when you got Glenn talking about almost being out there too long, & Rick laying down the warning talk about how everyone out there is measuring you for what they can take. That just doesn't jive with Carol's "persona" imo

It's got some juice too it, I don't deny, especially when (As Morpheus said) she's actually tacked on elements of her real history to the story. The best cons have elements of truth, but if this Deanna lady is worth the credit she gives herself, I'd hope to see her clue into the BS. Not necessarily to make a big case out of it, but maybe to just offhandedly let Carol know it's not selling. lol

I still say no matter how much of a poker player she thinks she is, assuming your "powers" are so sharp is arrogance, and actually allows the subject to run any con they want, since the reader (Deanna) is too open with assumption and suspicion. Deanna has no deep information on anyone, and what little she (or other residents) believe they've learned, statements from Glenn, Rick, or anyone else does not define all other members.

If she marks Carol this early--with no real evidence, that's just poor writing.

 

[hux]

I still say no matter how much of a poker player she thinks she is, assuming your "powers" are so sharp is arrogance, and actually allows the subject to run any con they want, since the reader (Deanna) is too open with assumption and suspicion. Deanna has no deep information on anyone, and what little she (or other residents) believe they've learned, statements from Glenn, Rick, or anyone else does not define all other members.

Hasn't Rick's group been under surveillance for a long time though. Longer perhaps than even the show has suggested and Aaron's arrival comes at the very arse end of that surveillance. Plus I imagine they're under heavy surveillance at the house in the ASZ too. Deanna knows exactly who they're dealing with which is exactly why she wanted them. She knows that if they're under threat, they kill, not debate, just kill, which is why she's happy to let Glenn punch her dumb ass son in the face. The alternative is, Rick's group kill him and take the place there and then (she knows that)

She obviously has enemies out there and knows they're coming......she needs soldiers

Her poker speech is purely about saying.....I know you're very dangerous people BUT I think your humanity is still just about intact enough to risk letting you become my army. I think she even knows that they will eventually take over

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Hasn't Rick's group been under surveillance for a long time though. Longer perhaps than even the show has suggested and Aaron's arrival comes at the very arse end of that surveillance. Plus I imagine they're under heavy surveillance at the house in the ASZ too. Deanna knows exactly who they're dealing with which is exactly why she wanted them. She knows that if they're under threat, they kill, not debate, just kill, which is why she's happy to let Glenn punch her dumb ass son in the face. The alternative is, Rick's group kill him and take the place there and then (she knows that)

She obviously has enemies out there and knows they're coming......she needs soldiers

Her poker speech is purely about saying.....I know you're very dangerous people BUT I think your humanity is still just about intact enough to risk letting you become my army. I think she even knows that they will eventually take over

It is still a wild assumption on her part; no matter why she desires the strength of Rick's group, a few hours of watching them in the woods says nothing about their true characters. They have no idea that a part of Michonne's past included being a "monster" with jaw-less walkers on chains, Carol's abuse from Ed (and how that changed her), Rick's acts against Joe's gang or Terminus (in the church). At any moment, Deanna's master plan could backfire--not just in the potential of a takeover, but in an outright slaughter.

At present, even cracked Dawn seems like a better leader / tactician...and that's not good.

 

[Trekker4747]

It's hard to say how long the ASZ group has watched Rick and co. Certainly no longer than they've been in Virginia.

 

[Dream]

YESSSSS! Alexandria Safe Zone! Finally!

I am so glad we are finally back to the main plot. The whole hospital arc was just terrible.

The running over the zombies in the dead of night was a little over the top, but I think they handled Aaron's introduction well. The outrage over the kiss was laughable! I really think they should have introduced Alexandria right after the mid season break. I prefer post-apocalyptic shows/movies where they stay in one place and try to restart a civilization over wandering around. All the new Alexandria characters were good.

Rick looks good beardless, reminds me of season one Rick. It should be cool seeing how Daryl handles being part of the town, since he was never in the comics the writers can take the character in so many different directions.