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Worst characters in each series

I love everyone! :adore: Each character adds something unique. :) I have never said I hate them, okay Harry Kim but I liked him too. :bolian:
 
Neelix is like a lovable mangy beast you don't want to put down. I enjoyed his scenes with Naomi, Seven & Janeway.
 
TayLaLaLa said:
Neelix is like a lovable mangy beast you don't want to put down. I enjoyed his scenes with Naomi, Seven & Janeway.
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Did you also enjoy him ordering Lieutenant Hogan to his death? What business does he have giving orders to a Lieutenant btw? And why is ensign Harry Kim in charge of a team, while LIEUTENANT Hogan is taking orders from the hedgehog? Seriously, what's wrong with Janeway in that episode? Doesn't rank mean anything anymore?
 
TayLaLaLa said:
Neelix is like a lovable mangy beast you don't want to put down. I enjoyed his scenes with Naomi, Seven & Janeway.
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I agree his scenes with Naomi were wonderful and I loved the episode where Seven revives him after being dead and he has that crisis of faith (that crisis could have been solved with one conversation, but it's still a nice episode)

The main ilk I have with Neelix is that he sounded so much better in the Series' pre-production bible where he seems to be some sort of space rogue instead of a kindly, plump cook/baby sitter.


kirkfan said:
Did you also enjoy him ordering Lieutenant Hogan to his death? What business does he have giving orders to a Lieutenant btw? And why is ensign Harry Kim in charge of a team, while LIEUTENANT Hogan is taking orders from the hedgehog? Seriously, what's wrong with Janeway in that episode? Doesn't rank mean anything anymore?
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Sorry, but my first raction to this was "Who the fuck is Lieutenant Hogan"? I don't watch Voyager very often...hardly at all actually.
Looking him up now it seems he was killed "while collecting bones near a cave" that doesn't sound like Neelix was ordering him to his death (please correct me on that issue if it instead was during that duplicate Voyager incident)

As to the taking orders part: It's a TV show, main characters often end up calling the shots, no matter their "rank".
 
Orphalesion said:
TayLaLaLa said:
Neelix is like a lovable mangy beast you don't want to put down. I enjoyed his scenes with Naomi, Seven & Janeway.
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I agree his scenes with Naomi were wonderful and I loved the episode where Seven revives him after being dead and he has that crisis of faith (that crisis could have been solved with one conversation, but it's still a nice episode)

The main ilk I have with Neelix is that he sounded so much better in the Series' pre-production bible where he seems to be some sort of space rogue instead of a kindly, plump cook/baby sitter.


kirkfan said:
Did you also enjoy him ordering Lieutenant Hogan to his death? What business does he have giving orders to a Lieutenant btw? And why is ensign Harry Kim in charge of a team, while LIEUTENANT Hogan is taking orders from the hedgehog? Seriously, what's wrong with Janeway in that episode? Doesn't rank mean anything anymore?
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Sorry, but my first raction to this was "Who the fuck is Lieutenant Hogan"? I don't watch Voyager very often...hardly at all actually.
Looking him up now it seems he was killed "while collecting bones near a cave" that doesn't sound like Neelix was ordering him to his death (please correct me on that issue if it instead was during that duplicate Voyager incident)

As to the taking orders part: It's a TV show, main characters often end up calling the shots, no matter their "rank".
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It seems to me like you want your cake and eat it too. On one hand when it suits you you speak of Neelix as if he was a real person and defend him as such and on the other hand you say "Hey, it's only a show then who cares what happens?"

Well speaking of it like a show. Neelix is a bad character, he's annoying, he's stupid (or if you prefer he's written stupid). I could do without him and the less of him there is in an episode the better that episode will be (all things being otherwise equal, which I agree is never the case).
 
kirkfan said:
It seems to me like you want your cake and eat it too. On one hand when it suits you you speak of Neelix as if he was a real person and defend him as such and on the other hand you say "Hey, it's only a show then who cares what happens?"

Well speaking of it like a show. Neelix is a bad character, he's annoying, he's stupid (or if you prefer he's written stupid). I could do without him and the less of him there is in an episode the better that episode will be (all things being otherwise equal, which I agree is never the case).
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There are different layers of an argument that need different perspectives. And where do I say "who cares what happens"? Now you're putting words into my mouth.
I merely said that of course we are following the main characters, even if there are others who outrank them.

As in "Yes, I demand that the characters are well written, interesting and varied like people in real life" and "Mo I do not demand that they follow military protocol as shown in real life to a t"

You are, of course in your right to think of Neelix as the "worst" character on Voy. I myself think he's among the "three worst".
Others think different and that's okay. I can only say there are at least two Neelix episodes I enjoyed, which is more than I can say about some other characters.
 
I never understood the Neelix hatred, what's wrong with good ol' Neelix? :p

It was his job to be raise morale and things like cook and help navigate a way out of the region.

That's pretty much what he did until he left the ship.

Maybe the biggest problem was that almost everybody had a certain blandness and character typecasts at that point. And supposedly, on purpose.

The rumor is that the character were to act as military and bland as possible, so the aliens would appear more interesting.
 
Nightdiamond said:
I never understood the Neelix hatred, what's wrong with good ol' Neelix? :p

It was his job to be raise morale and things like cook and help navigate a way out of the region.

That's pretty much what he did until he left the ship.

Maybe the biggest problem was that almost everybody had a certain blandness and character typecasts at that point. And supposedly, on purpose.

The rumor is that the character were to act as military and bland as possible, so the aliens would appear more interesting.
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Maybe that´t what the Voyager critics think. I think the same about the ENT characters, some of them are bland.

By the way: I like Neelix despite the fact that there were episodes in which he ticked me off :lol:.
 
This was from the mouth of Garrett Wang.

According to him, that was a directive from the producers to make the aliens seem more interesting.
 
Nightdiamond said:
I never understood the Neelix hatred, what's wrong with good ol' Neelix? :p
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Everything!

1) He's annoying, in a stupid uninteresting way.

2) He's incompetent, any time he boasts about a pretend skill, you can be sure he's terrible at it: horrible cook, his so called survival skills cause two people to die in Basics. He poisons the ship with cheese once, another time he disturbs the warp field by getting flees into the ship as well.

3) He's unreliable, cowardly, unfunny...etc.
 
kirkfan said:
Nightdiamond said:
I never understood the Neelix hatred, what's wrong with good ol' Neelix? :p
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Everything!

1) He's annoying, in a stupid uninteresting way.

2) He's incompetent, any time he boasts about a pretend skill, you can be sure he's terrible at it: horrible cook, his so called survival skills cause two people to die in Basics. He poisons the ship with cheese once, another time he disturbs the warp field by getting flees into the ship as well.

3) He's unreliable, cowardly, unfunny...etc.
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That´s your opinion and I´m fine with it. I can´t stand T´Pol and I will never like her. And I don´t care if she has many fans or not. She always tries to be more papal than the pope, sorry, more Vulcan than the Vulcans.
 
Any character that had a good episode centered around them can't really be a character that should have never existed.

Neelix had "Jetrel" which, while hokey, had pretty good Neelix-related issues.

Mayweather had "Horizon" which is one of my ENT faves.
 
CorporalCaptain said:
Any character that had a good episode centered around them can't really be a character that should have never existed.

Neelix had "Jetrel" which, while hokey, had pretty good Neelix-related issues.

Mayweather had "Horizon" which is one of my ENT faves.
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"Jetrel" is nothing a bad rip off of DS9's duet.


"Horizon" is unremarkable for an Ent episode. And Mayweather's acting in it is mediocre at best.
 
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