I thought the line on Regula was "Let me show you something that will make you feel young, as when the world was new." No 'again'. No repeat of 'young'.
So who did the worst single acting job in the first 10 films.
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From a transcript: "Let me show you something that will make you feel young -- young as when the world was new."
http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Star-Trek-II-The-Wrath-of-Khan.html
http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Star-Trek-II-The-Wrath-of-Khan.html
Yup, your quote is the correct version, according to my TWOK DVD.
^That's what I remembered hearing. Thanks.
Can we include extended cuts? Because the extra Peter Preston scene in TWOK is godawful. "Oh gosh, sir, you shouldn't say such mean things about Mr. Scott!" The guy sounded like the Squeaky Voiced Teen from the Simpsons.
Billy Van Zandt, in TMP, as the alien with thew funky eyes. He only had lines in the extended cuts of the film. "And Captain Decker? He's been with the ship every minute of her refitting." Very flat and lifeless.
Runner up: the female officer who beams up before Bones is finally ordered to step into the transporter.
"He insisted we go first, sir. Said something about first seeing how it scrambled our molecules."
She then robotically turns and walks away after robotically delivering her lines. There must have been a buttload of nepotism on this film. Or they just kept casting crap actors.
Runner up: the female officer who beams up before Bones is finally ordered to step into the transporter.
"He insisted we go first, sir. Said something about first seeing how it scrambled our molecules."
She then robotically turns and walks away after robotically delivering her lines. There must have been a buttload of nepotism on this film. Or they just kept casting crap actors.
That's funny, I never had a problem with any of those. I was always curious about Van Zandt's character, (the novel, "Ex Machina", expands on him nicely). I always thought his line delivery and stoicism were due to the character, not lack of acting.
I can't tell if it's Frakes' direction or her performance, but Donna Murphy as Anij never really impressed me. I think the idea was a serene contentedness but the overall effect feels less like that and more like the half asleep expressions of someone just just waking up.
The problem with your comparison is that Michael had more than one film and a larger role to develop the characters. Valeris was a supporting player in the middle of the big TOS cast (in a film eyebrow-deep in attention-grabbing history and inevitability) with a plot where she was not the central villain. For her part, she was as smug and/or cold as TOS Sarek, so if anyone did not like her from the start, I argue that she's no different than another notable Vulcan in ST history.
Adding to that, her smug behavior was telegraphing, so its not like she was going to be the cuddly, lovable hero model from the start in any case.
Really? I liked Robin Curtis.
I guess Curtis is the George Lazenby of female Vulcans in a way because the actress prior made such an impression, but I thought Curtis did a commendable job.
This discussion should have 4 categories.....
Using TWOK as a quick reference.
Bit parts---Jedda, Beach
Small parts---Preston, Joachim
Medium parts---Terrell and the 2nd tier regulars
Large parts----Kirk/spock/McCoy and the main guest(s) like Khan
Not saying those examples are bad parts simply size examples.
Bit parts---I agree about that girl in the transporter in TMP before McCoy--terrible line reading
and I agree there were a ton of bit actors who stunk in TMP
DeFalco, "back that way sir.", Branch, etc.
Small parts---Caithlin Dar is pretty bad
Medium parts---Captain Esteban, Ilia (horrible as a "human" and amazingly just as bad as a robot)
Large parts---Kirk in TFF was pretty bad,
Also, I hated Curtis' Saavik but that was how she was instructed to act--so not her fault.
And the "alien ensign" in TMP was a brand new race--so we don't know their normal affect. That may have been the way they talk--rather unemotionally.
Using TWOK as a quick reference.
Bit parts---Jedda, Beach
Small parts---Preston, Joachim
Medium parts---Terrell and the 2nd tier regulars
Large parts----Kirk/spock/McCoy and the main guest(s) like Khan
Not saying those examples are bad parts simply size examples.
Bit parts---I agree about that girl in the transporter in TMP before McCoy--terrible line reading
and I agree there were a ton of bit actors who stunk in TMP
DeFalco, "back that way sir.", Branch, etc.
Small parts---Caithlin Dar is pretty bad
Medium parts---Captain Esteban, Ilia (horrible as a "human" and amazingly just as bad as a robot)
Large parts---Kirk in TFF was pretty bad,
Also, I hated Curtis' Saavik but that was how she was instructed to act--so not her fault.
And the "alien ensign" in TMP was a brand new race--so we don't know their normal affect. That may have been the way they talk--rather unemotionally.
Heh, I would have thought Joachim was a 'bigger' part than Terrell. I guess it's not important enough to argue about, it was just an errant thought.
I'd nominate the faceless transporter chief that we only hear from TMP. The one who said:
"Enterprise, what we got back didn't live long. Fortunately."
Two people just had their DNA rearranged into mutated monstrosity so terrible that death itself seem like an improvement...and he sounds so bored.
^I thought he sounded rather stunned, as you might when you saw someone that was... let's not think about what was on that pad on Earth...
I'm glad you said it first.
I wanted to say Robin Curtis as Saavik was the worst actress in the movies, especially for such a main character, but I didn't want to have things thrown at me.
I know that Robin Curtis is a fan favorite as the actress herself is probably a great person, but she was not good in the role of Saavik, plus it was tough to follow Kirstie Alley.
Without thinking about it, the worst acting immediately goes to Chekov in The Final Frontier. For all the crap Sybok gets, the actor's performance of him was way, way, way, WAY better.
I agree with you that I thought Curtis did a good job overall and her biggest issue with many people is she wasn't Kirstie Alley, who was by most opinions, great in TWOK. So I do think Curtis was shafted somewhat. The same I think Christopher Lloyd is sold short as Kruge by some people because he was a prolific comedic actor at the same time. Also he came right after Khan.
Chris Plummer was 25 years removed as captain Von trapp. If he'd done Chang within a year or two of the sound of music I think he'd of had a hell of a time convincing people he could be so bad. No matter how good his performance was.
I'm sorry though lazenby just sucked. Coming after Connery wasn't easy but he was terrible in his own right.
Connery came back and then roger moore replaced him and he was able to be successful as bond and has many fans of his portrayal. He even beat Connery head to head when octopussy and never say never again came out at the same time.
I was going to mention this. It's so flat and uninterested. Like they just grabbed some shlub off the street and said "Here, read this line."
