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TOS comics: 5-year mission vs. movie era

I think the thing that always kind of got me with the movie era is the fact that it's so much open, which I think would mean there's a lot more freedom in what you did in you're stories. There you have a lot more gaps that you could fill in, and explore more of what was going on in those years we never saw. I know there might not be as many stories to build directly off of, but I don't see where that would be an absolute necessity. You could do what Greg Cox did in Foul Deeds and follow up on a TOS 20 or however many year later. I've always been kind of surprised there aren't more stories that do that.
 
You could do what Greg Cox did in Foul Deeds and follow up on a TOS 20 or however many year later. I've always been kind of surprised there aren't more stories that do that.

That's most of what DC's first Trek comic did. Let's see... Issues 1-4 pitted the Organians against the Excalbians (and brought back Koloth and Kor). Issue 6 brought back Ambassador Fox. Issues 7-8 involved the galactic energy barrier and, IIRC, Subcommander Tal. Issues 9-16 were the Mirror Universe Saga. Issues 22-23 brought back Redjac. Issue 33 was a "Tomorrow is Yesterday" sequel that also involved the Guardian of Forever. Issues 39-40 brought back Harry Mudd. #41 featured TAS-style Orion pirates. #42 inexplicably referred to gremlins as "corbomites." #43-45 were a sequel to "The Apple." #46 featured Tongo Rad from "The Way to Eden." And Peter David's 8-issue arc brought back Finnegan in its last two issues, as well as revealing that the main villain behind the multi-part arc had been... another familiar character from TOS (spoilers!). And the first annual featured Pike and the second annual featured Talos IV and Koloth.

As much as I enjoyed that comic, I've always felt it relied too heavily on TOS sequels and followups. It's like they were reacting to how Marvel was banned from doing overt TOS followups (though they managed to sneak in plenty of references anyway) and going too far in the other direction.

DC's Volume 2 was more judicious about the TOS callbacks. The climactic issues of Peter David's 12-part opening storyline brought back a few TOS characters in mostly cameo roles, but the rest of the arc avoided that. We got Harry Mudd in #22-24. #45 brought back Trelane. #49-50 brought back Gary Seven (and introduced the concept of the Aegis). #53-57 brought back the Guardian and Kor. #61 returned to Talos IV. And #65-68 featured the daughter of T'Pring and Stonn. (I'm not counting the Gary Mitchell and Carol Marcus focus issues late in the run, since they weren't set in the movie era.) And Gary Seven returned in Annual 6 (though that was mainly a TNG crossover). So clearly they were allowed to follow up on TOS elements, but for the most part, they used them judiciously, focusing mostly on movie-era continuity (the aftermath of Genesis, Klaa and Vixis, Nogura, protomatter, Saavik, etc.) or on original characters and concepts. I felt it was a better balance. And it worked well at being the sort of thing we've talked about, movie-era stories that really made use of where the characters and their world were in the movie era, how they were affected by their experiences over the years. They weren't just TOS stories in new uniforms.
 
This thread prompted me to think yesterday evening about John Byrne's photocomics. I'm enjoying them, but I had the thought, "Wouldn't it be fun if Byrne did a movie-era photocomic?"

Then I thought about the practicalities of that. The television series was filmed across three years. The maroon-jacket films were filmed across nine. The actors looked in 1969 largely as they did in 1966; there are some exceptions (Shatner's third season hair), but there are many more scenes Byrne has to draw from and mix-and-match for his stories. The actors visibly age across the films; Byrne couldn't pull a McCoy still from Star Trek V and convincably put it alongside a Kirk still from Star Trek II without the disparity being obvious.
 
I am one of those readers who will never pick up a 5YM novel and certainly not one of the current crop of comics.
I would, with almost absolute certainty pick up a decent movie era novel and almost certainly a comic. (Though it would have to be better than the TNG movie era HIVE comic, which was terrible from a writing perspective and not great artwise in places either)
As others have pointed out, for a certain generation, they are 'our' versions of the crew. And the suppositions around the primacy of sixties trek and its reboot version are...unpleasant in some ways and areas. Its certainly brought about a resurgence in the 'not really star trek' discussions that TNG had banished by season 3. (I also suspect this 'back to its roots' thinking is what contributed to ENT having less viewers...its exactly what put me off it back when it was on air, and even attempting to watch it now, years later, it puts me off. I do like the original series, even as someone who read the Blish adaptations before seeing the episodes, but they are very much of their time and place. Attempting to replicate that too closely is what made some of early TNG cringeworthy, so why the obsession of getting back to the percieved TOS style is beyond me. VOY managed the borderline hard SF of TOS well enough without turning to cliches of fist fights in the sand and rogue ladies man captains, which arent actually a true representation of TOS in the first place. Well...series three maybe.)

As an artist and writer (well, amateur to semi pro anyway) I can also say, with arrogance I guess, on behalf of other artists as well as myself, that if the 'clean lines' and 'primary colours' are a reason to prefer drawing TOS over the movie era then, better artists need hiring. The same I would say for starship battles on the printed page or digital screen. I find both as art and as charcters, the Movie era versions are more detailed and more interesting to work with, and if TOS is simpler to handle as artists or writers then it is....to sound a bit mean perhaps....simply lazy to depend on that. And I think there is an argument for 'it is easiest to make and sell' being a reason for its primacy, and even for explaining why reboots in general are so popular these days.

Its also possibly why decent deep space nine comics are so few in existence.
 
This thread prompted me to think yesterday evening about John Byrne's photocomics. I'm enjoying them, but I had the thought, "Wouldn't it be fun if Byrne did a movie-era photocomic?"

Then I thought about the practicalities of that. The television series was filmed across three years. The maroon-jacket films were filmed across nine. The actors looked in 1969 largely as they did in 1966; there are some exceptions (Shatner's third season hair), but there are many more scenes Byrne has to draw from and mix-and-match for his stories. The actors visibly age across the films; Byrne couldn't pull a McCoy still from Star Trek V and convincably put it alongside a Kirk still from Star Trek II without the disparity being obvious.

I did a couple of TMP era photo comics on Youtube. I'd like to do one more but can't find the time atm. I picked TMP over the TWoK era because there were a lot of head shots, the crew was more diverse, the main cast is that little bit younger, and they spent a bit of time showing various shots around the ship. It was good fun.

I just wish I had the artistic skill to re-vamp the TMP uniforms a bit more.

I love the movie era comics. I don't buy TOS, only TOS movie era comics, although I did start fresh with the NuTrek comics and I'm enjoying those.

Oh yeah, the image on the left is from the andorian security chief (sorry Chekov - I demoted him to chief tactical officer - effectively Thel'Dara's deputy - because I thought he'd make a terrible, terrible security chief and I wanted more aliens woot!)
 
Speaking as a Trek fan, comics fan, and a cartoonist, I think there are a few factors at work.

First, I think it's just plain more interesting to see the TOS characters in their prime. Similarly, if I'm reading about the JSA, I'd much rather read about them in the WWII era than when they're older and greyer.

Secondly, I think that the TOS era has sort of restored itself as the "default" Trek era in the minds of the public. The JJ movies have only increased this association, with their return to the multicolored uniforms of the TV era.

Thirdly, the TOS era is certainly the easiest to write about from a continuity standpoint. As TOS generally wasn't serialized & just returned to its default setting at the end of every adventure, you can just dive into your story with little or no explanation beyond the standard "Space, the Final Frontier..." intro.

If you're telling a story set in the movie era, or in the "lost era" between the series and the movies, you're going to have to spend some time establishing what the current status quo is for our heroes. Is Kirk still an Admiral and working at Starfleet? Is Spock dead? Has Saavik graduated from the Academy yet? Is Chekov security chief, navigator, for first officer on the Reliant? That sort of stuff wastes a lot less time in a 200-page novel than it does in a 22-page comic. If I wasn't telling a story that filled a continuity hole or specifically depended on taking place during the movie era, I wouldn't bother with it.

And lastly, from an artist POV, it's a LOT harder to draw the TOS cast middle-aged than in their youth. Again, I'd much rather go with the more classically handsome crowd of the 60s era.

But Shatner's tough to draw at ANY age. He just has one of those faces. :)
 
Secondly, I think that the TOS era has sort of restored itself as the "default" Trek era in the minds of the public. The JJ movies have only increased this association, with their return to the multicolored uniforms of the TV era.

I think it was always the default. Even when the movies were coming out, it was still in reruns all over the TV dial. But what I'm wondering is why we don't have both, why interest in the movie era seems to have dried up so completely, and why it happened so quickly as soon as the movies ended.

Personally, I enjoyed the movie-era continuity that DC's Volume 2 established, especially in Howard Weinstein's long run. (Between novels and comics, Howie's probably written more movie-era Trek stories than any of us. In fact, he's only ever done four TOS stories that weren't in the movie era -- "The Pirates of Orion" in TAS, the "No Compromise" and "Star-Crossed" 3-parters in the comics, and "Official Record" in Constellations.) And I was disappointed when his stories moving the characters forward, filling in the gap between TFF and TUC, just stopped abruptly and gave way to stories set exclusively in the 5-year mission or earlier. I can't have been the only person who regretted that loss, who would've liked to see more in the movie era as well as the series era. Why do we have to formulate the question as a zero-sum choice between the two? They're not in competition. Why can't we have both?

If you're telling a story set in the movie era, or in the "lost era" between the series and the movies, you're going to have to spend some time establishing what the current status quo is for our heroes. Is Kirk still an Admiral and working at Starfleet? Is Spock dead? Has Saavik graduated from the Academy yet? Is Chekov security chief, navigator, for first officer on the Reliant? That sort of stuff wastes a lot less time in a 200-page novel than it does in a 22-page comic.
That's certainly not the case for a story set on the Enterprise-A post-TFF, which is where DC Vol. 2 was set. There's a span of six or seven years between TFF and TUC, and the only real change we know of in that span is Sulu getting promoted to captain of the Excelsior.

Again, I keep hearing arguments about why the movie era "can't work" as if it had never been successfully done and never could be. But that's nonsense. It ignores the indisputable fact that DC published over 120 comic book issues set in the movie era over the span of 11 years, and other publishers of comics and novels have done them too, though nowhere near as prolifically. Obviously it's not impossible. It can be done. It has been done, a lot. But people just stopped doing it.
 
I was disappointed when his stories moving the characters forward, filling in the gap between TFF and TUC, just stopped abruptly and gave way to stories set exclusively in the 5-year mission or earlier. I can't have been the only person who regretted that loss, who would've liked to see more in the movie era as well as the series era. Why do we have to formulate the question as a zero-sum choice between the two? They're not in competition. Why can't we have both?

I agree with you. I was also disappointed when the comics shifted gears at the end of the early FYM.

One interesting thing I learned at Farpoint this year is that DC planned to do an ongoing Sulu and the Excelsior series, only the loss of the license scuppered those plans. I'm just speculating here, but that may be why the gears shifted at the end of the run to the FYM, so that there would be differentiation on the shelves between the various Star Trek comics -- if you wanted movie-era, buy Star Trek: Excelsior.
 
I'm just speculating here, but that may be why the gears shifted at the end of the run to the FYM, so that there would be differentiation on the shelves between the various Star Trek comics -- if you wanted movie-era, buy Star Trek: Excelsior.

I always figured it was just because Margaret really likes the 5-year mission. When she became sole editor of the novels, we also saw a major upsurge in TOS/5YM standalone novels compared to what we'd seen before. So I suspect it's just a matter of editorial tastes. I've never actually asked her about it, though, so I could be wrong.
 
I mean, look at general pop culture today, and we're seeing the revival of kids' shows that were popular in the '80s and '90s, like Transformers and Ninja Turtles and My Little Pony and Jem and Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers. (The Power Rangers franchise has been in essentially continuous production for the past two decades now and is still being made, but it's MMPR in particular that's getting the movie reboot and the gritty fan-film parody and all the other nostalgia cred.) So pop-culture nostalgia in general is currently focused on exactly the era when the TOS movies were coming out. It's strange, then, that we aren't seeing more nostalgia for those movies.
I think the MMPR example is more useful as an analogy to TOS in illustrating that it's the original iteration of a franchise that people are most nostalgic for.

Personally, I enjoyed the movie-era continuity that DC's Volume 2 established, especially in Howard Weinstein's long run. (Between novels and comics, Howie's probably written more movie-era Trek stories than any of us. In fact, he's only ever done four TOS stories that weren't in the movie era -- "The Pirates of Orion" in TAS, the "No Compromise" and "Star-Crossed" 3-parters in the comics, and "Official Record" in Constellations.) And I was disappointed when his stories moving the characters forward, filling in the gap between TFF and TUC, just stopped abruptly and gave way to stories set exclusively in the 5-year mission or earlier. I can't have been the only person who regretted that loss, who would've liked to see more in the movie era as well as the series era. Why do we have to formulate the question as a zero-sum choice between the two? They're not in competition. Why can't we have both?
I don't have the publication dates in front of me, but does the shift coincide with the release of Generations? If so, then the TOS movie-era cast would've been (from a cinematic perspective) part of the "past" at that point, not the present--and if you're telling a story set in the "past," you might as well go for the past era people feel the most nostalgia towards.

Again, I keep hearing arguments about why the movie era "can't work" as if it had never been successfully done and never could be. But that's nonsense. It ignores the indisputable fact that DC published over 120 comic book issues set in the movie era over the span of 11 years, and other publishers of comics and novels have done them too, though nowhere near as prolifically. Obviously it's not impossible. It can be done. It has been done, a lot. But people just stopped doing it.
I don't think people in this thread are saying it can't work--I really liked DC Volume 2 as well, and wish it had continued filling in that gap--but you asked a question about why the shift happened, and people are offering their theories on what might be the disincentives for a writer/editor.
 
I think the MMPR example is more useful as an analogy to TOS in illustrating that it's the original iteration of a franchise that people are most nostalgic for.

Well, "original" in the sense of being adapted from the 16th incarnation of an already 18-year-old Japanese franchise, but yeah, lots of Americans don't know that.

On the other hand, many of the people who are nostalgic about MMPR don't even realize that the franchise has remained in near-continuous production ever since. The later seasons came along after the initial surge of popularity ended, they moved from channel to channel, and the original MMPR audience had largely aged out by then and lost track of it. So part of the reason MMPR gets all the nostalgia is because the later versions (many of which are far, far better than MMPR ever was) are comparatively more obscure.

But that isn't the case with the Trek movies. You'd be hard-pressed to find many people who are fans of TOS but have never seen The Wrath of Khan or The Voyage Home. So the analogy to Power Rangers doesn't really hold.


I don't have the publication dates in front of me, but does the shift coincide with the release of Generations? If so, then the TOS movie-era cast would've been (from a cinematic perspective) part of the "past" at that point, not the present--and if you're telling a story set in the "past," you might as well go for the past era people feel the most nostalgia towards.
Yes, that was part of my original point -- that it was right around 1994, when GEN came out, that we started to see DC move away from movie-era to the 5YM, and that focus has continued ever since.

But what puzzles me is the lack of nostalgia toward the movie era. I mean, I constantly hear how much people love TWOK (though I hate it), or how much they'd love a Captain Sulu series, or what-have-you. There clearly is some interest in that era. And we just got Foul Deed Will Rise in the novels, and before that we've had books like In the Name of Honor and The Captain's Daughter and Forged in Fire. We do get movie-era stories alongside 5YM stories in the novels, and we always have. As I said, part of the mystery is why we get a mix of both in the novels while comics have taken a more black-and-white approach.


I don't think people in this thread are saying it can't work--I really liked DC Volume 2 as well, and wish it had continued filling in that gap--but you asked a question about why the shift happened, and people are offering their theories on what might be the disincentives for a writer/editor.
Yes, of course, but those explanations don't work if they're not time-dependent, if they focus only on why people might not be interested in general, rather than why they stopped being interested after over a decade of focusing overwhelmingly on the movie era. I find it hard to believe that all the writers for DC in that era were working under duress, secretly hating all the movie-era stories they were being forced to write. They had the freedom to do 5YM stories on occasion, but they chose to focus mainly on the movie era. But this is something that virtually nobody does in comics anymore, and when they do, it's never on Kirk's crew.

The most plausible explanation I've heard so far is that it's coming from the comics companies' sales departments. I just can't believe that there are zero comics writers and artists out there who would like to work in the movie era, that everyone in the industry has tastes that are so completely in lockstep. Creative minds just aren't so uniform. But sales departments tend to be less flexible and want to emphasize proven sellers.
 
I don't think people in this thread are saying it can't work--I really liked DC Volume 2 as well, and wish it had continued filling in that gap--but you asked a question about why the shift happened, and people are offering their theories on what might be the disincentives for a writer/editor.
Yes, of course, but those explanations don't work if they're not time-dependent, if they focus only on why people might not be interested in general, rather than why they stopped being interested after over a decade of focusing overwhelmingly on the movie era. I find it hard to believe that all the writers for DC in that era were working under duress, secretly hating all the movie-era stories they were being forced to write. They had the freedom to do 5YM stories on occasion, but they chose to focus mainly on the movie era. But this is something that virtually nobody does in comics anymore, and when they do, it's never on Kirk's crew.

Sorry you don't like any of the theories or explanations offered so far, Christopher, but you asked us for our opinions, not just the opinions that you personally find acceptable. I think it's a little rude for you to reject all of our reasons just because you don't agree with them.
 
More than just Trek comics, the American television industry has also followed this trend.

The movie era featured a cast of middle-age actors. Television shows in that same period (1980-1995) would also have casts that featured actors in that same age group. Off the top of my head: Golden Girls, Matlock, Murder She Wrote, Newhart, etc.

Fast forward to present day...

Shows with predominately older or middle-aged casts are absent from the majority of TV. A token older actor or two may be included in the regular cast, but they are often regulated to the roles of elder authority figure or parent. There are, of course, exceptions that can be found of primarily older casts (Hot in Cleveland, for instance) but not too many of these exceptions exist on American broadcast television.

Take the CW network. Of their scripted fare, the oldest cast (on average) is Supernatural with two actors in their thirties. Even the Originals, where the eponymous main characters are hundreds of years old, are played by twenty-somethings.

CBS is notorious for catering to an older audience but their shows are filled with actors below the half-century mark. I don't watch the NCIS programs, but in the commercials I've seen, I can only spot Mark Harmon or Scott Bakula as being on the older side of the age scale. CBS's most popular series, Big Bang Theory, follows Friends' design of young actors exclusively.

Watching Vicious on PBS, I was struck by the realization that this show would never be made on an American broadcast network despite the quality of the writing or excellent performances. "Only one cast member below the age of 60? Pass." Golden Girls would never be made in today's television climate, except possibly on a niche network like TV Land.

Comic books are much the same. Not a lot of superhero titles feature older characters and few non-cape American titles do either. Hal Jordan (magically) doesn't have grey temples anymore and Peter Parker is (magically) not married anymore for the same reason: those in charge didn't want their superheroes to seem old.

The same is probably true about Star Trek comics. The same aggressive campaign against even the appearance of age, reboots to keep characters vibrant and sexy and relevant, but a rigid lock-down on the status quo (unless the movie does well...then Toad starts looking like Ray Park suddenly).

You're right, Christopher -- a lot of us are nostalgic for the movie era crew and the older actors that not only accepted age gracefully, but allowed it to be an overall theme in their movies. That milieu is rich with untapped potential (as your own Ex Machina demonstrated so well) and includes a large pre-existing audience ripe for appeals to their nostalgic hearts and wallets.

However, old is not the new black and the 21st century is intent on keeping our beloved fictional characters Forever Young whether we like it or not.
 
Sorry you don't like any of the theories or explanations offered so far, Christopher, but you asked us for our opinions, not just the opinions that you personally find acceptable. I think it's a little rude for you to reject all of our reasons just because you don't agree with them.

Huh? "Liking" has nothing to do with it. I'm trying to contemplate a mystery here, and mysteries are solved by considering the evidence and employing deductive reasoning, not by personal feelings or likes. If the evidence goes against a hypothesis, even my own hypothesis, I'll reject it no matter how much I may like it. After all, reality doesn't conform to what we want it to be. So don't take it personally. It's just logic.

It's also incorrect to say that I don't agree with any of the explanations. As I clearly said in the paragraph immediately after the one you quoted, I do find the explanation that it's based on sales department preferences to be highly plausible. This is how the deductive process works: You consider a variety of hypotheses, weigh them against the evidence, discard the ones that don't work, and thereby narrow in on the most likely ones. Most of the suggestions will be rejected, but that's the way it's supposed to work, because there can only be one right answer. Making a wrong guess is nothing to be ashamed of; it's part of the process of searching for the truth. So you're wrong to think I'm attacking anyone by questioning or challenging their hypotheses. I'm simply participating in the process of debate and analysis along with everyone else.


More than just Trek comics, the American television industry has also followed this trend.

The movie era featured a cast of middle-age actors. Television shows in that same period (1980-1995) would also have casts that featured actors in that same age group. Off the top of my head: Golden Girls, Matlock, Murder She Wrote, Newhart, etc.

Fast forward to present day...

Shows with predominately older or middle-aged casts are absent from the majority of TV. A token older actor or two may be included in the regular cast, but they are often regulated to the roles of elder authority figure or parent. There are, of course, exceptions that can be found of primarily older casts (Hot in Cleveland, for instance) but not too many of these exceptions exist on American broadcast television.

I'm not sure that's true.The Law & Order franchise tended to skew fairly old, or at least to have a mix of older leads and younger sidekicks. Person of Interest's three male leads are aged 46, 52, and 60, and their current leading lady is 39. Gotham's lead cast doesn't skew particularly young outside of the two child leads -- Ben McKenzie and Robin Lord Taylor are 36, Jada Pinkett-Smith is 43, Donal Logue is 46, Sean Pertwee is 50, and John Doman is 70. Agents of SHIELD's two lead actors are in their early 50s, although the rest tend to be younger. I'd say actors in their 40s and 50s are still quite well represented on TV.


Take the CW network. Of their scripted fare, the oldest cast (on average) is Supernatural with two actors in their thirties.
Well, I can't resist doing some math to check for myself... If the two brothers are the only leads in Supernatural, then the average age of that cast is 34.5. On Arrow, the regular cast is Stephen Amell (33), Katie Cassidy (28), David Ramsey (43), Willa Holland (23), Paul Blackthorne (45), Emily Bett Rickards (23), Colton Haynes (26), and John Barrowman (47), giving an average age of 33.5. The Flash has Grant Gustin (25), Candice Patton (26), Danielle Panabaker (27), Rick Cosnett (31), Carlos Valdes (24), Tom Cavanagh (51), and Jesse L. Martin (46), for an average of 32.8.

I don't want to go through all the shows, but most of the others seem to skew similar in age to Supernatural or younger. You may be right about the average, but I think that's misleading, because Supernatural has no regulars at all above age 37 (though I gather it had a recurring actor, Misha Collins, who's 40, and another, Mark Sheppard, who's 50), while the two DC superhero shows have a much broader range, each with at least two regulars over 40. If we're talking about inclusion, averages aren't the best measure. Also, the averages seem to vary by only a couple of years, barely enough to be statistically significant.

Still, you have a point that there is a tendency to favor youth, even if I think you overstate it a bit. And now that I think about it, that might be particularly true in comics. It seems to me, from what I read on comics sites, that the problem in the comics industry today is that it tends to skew to a very narrowly defined audience, and thus tends to exclude those readers that don't fit the target demographic, such as women, children, and minorities. There's some improvement in representation in recent years -- and in fact I saw an item just today that the best-selling comics at bookstores, as opposed to direct-market comic shops, are dominated by ones that skew toward female and child readers, so the industry had better catch up with that if it wants to survive.

But that's getting off-topic. What I'm thinking is that the very narrow demographic focus of comic publishers may explain why Trek comics have become more narrowly focused on the 5YM era than Trek novels have. Yeah, that actually makes a lot of sense. I've been wondering why the comics were different from the novels, and this is a distinct difference between their cultures. True, Pocket's sales department doesn't exactly embrace the movie era with open arms (don't I know it), but they've been willing to bend on occasion, particularly in this past year where we've gotten three movie-era e-novellas (Seasons of Light and Darkness, The More Things Change, and the upcoming Shadow of the Machine) and a movie-era novel (Foul Deeds Will Rise). So it's not as strict an avoidance as it is in comics. But comics seem to have become unusually inflexible in their demographic focus in the past decade or so, and have only recently begun loosening up. So that could account for it.
 
I don't agree with your premise that there's only one answer to this question, Christopher. There are likely as many different answers as there are people working on Trek.
 
^There may be more than one factor, but that doesn't mean that every hypothesis is equally valid or that all questions are purely matters of personal opinion. Facts trump opinions. Those hypotheses that conflict with the facts or with logic should be discarded. There's no room for sentiment or "liking" in the process; every hypothesis, especially one's own, should be challenged and questioned, and only given credence if it survives the testing.
 
^There may be more than one factor, but that doesn't mean that every hypothesis is equally valid or that all questions are purely matters of personal opinion. Facts trump opinions. Those hypotheses that conflict with the facts or with logic should be discarded. There's no room for sentiment or "liking" in the process; every hypothesis, especially one's own, should be challenged and questioned, and only given credence if it survives the testing.

There are very, very few "facts" in art. Things like this come down to people's personal preferences more often than not.
 
^But the specific questions we're examining here are matters of fact. It is a fact that DC Comics did publish movie-era TOS comics for over a decade. Therefore, it is a fact that movie-era comics can be successfully written, published, and marketed. Which means that hypotheses attempting to paint the creation of movie-era comics as an intrinsically unfeasible activity are in conflict with the facts and are therefore wrong.

Whereas hypotheses that work with the facts -- for instance, the evident fact that the comics industry has become more narrow in its focus or that publishers' sales departments have become more conservative about what they're willing to try -- are useful in explaining the fact that the movie-era comics that used to be common are no longer common. This is not simply a discussion of "art" in the abstract, because comic book publishing is also a business. Artists must work in the context of business realities, of what their patrons or publishers consider marketable. The question I'm trying to explore is about the change in the industry between the 1980s and today. That's not purely a question of artistic tastes, because it's absurd on the face of it to think that every single comic-book author or artist underwent a lockstep change in their tastes between 1994 and 1995. So there must be a more tangible explanation, one that can be analyzed on the level of objective evidence. And we have had some such suggestions in this thread, suggestions that have contributed constructively to the discussion. So it's not so unanswerable a question as you claim.
 
Christopher, it seems like you have the best opportunity to get a definitive answer -- you have a more direct line to Margaret Clark than any of us, and it was during her editorship of the Star Trek comics line that the change was made, IIRC.

Why don't you ask Margaret, and let us know what she says?
 
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