Build Up To NuKirks Death Meant Nothing

[TRON JA307020]

Which is why it was meant as an homage, and was not supposed to be taken as seriously as trufans tend to take stuff.

It was a crappy homage. We get a weepy crybaby Spock shouting Khan. I was embarrassed just watching it.

You've already had one thread closed for working the "crybaby" angle too hard, and a second closed for trying to start it up again with a different character. Now you're back for a third try, and this one'll get you a spamming warning. Comments to PM, if you please.

I was only giving my opinion to another poster. The threads I had started were only up for 1 or 2 days then closed. This particular poster may not seen my earlier posts(Only 10 or so people did) and may not have known my feelings about the matter and I think my response was valid to his query.

 

[TRON JA307020]

It helps that you're sitting anonymously in the dark.

True but I was still embarrassed. I guess it was more an embarrassment for the franchise and the filmmakers. The scene was just silly if you ask me. NuSpocks emotional outburst didn't make much sense. When NuSpock lost his mother and his entire planet he was emotional and got even more emotional when NuKirk pushed him to it. In STID he loses NuKirk after only knowing him one year and loses it so bad he nearly kills NuKhan because he is blinded with grief. I mean is losing NuKirk so much more worse than when NuSpock lost his mother and planet all in one day?

 

[fireproof78]

It helps that you're sitting anonymously in the dark.

True but I was still embarrassed. I guess it was more an embarrassment for the franchise and the filmmakers. The scene was just silly if you ask me. NuSpocks emotional outburst didn't make much sense. When NuSpock lost his mother and his entire planet he was emotional and got even more emotional when NuKirk pushed him to it. In STID he loses NuKirk after only knowing him one year and loses it so bad he nearly kills NuKhan because he is blinded with grief. I mean is losing NuKirk so much more worse than when NuSpock lost his mother and planet all in one day?

I tried to address this in this post but I want to make another point in addition to the first couple.

First of all, I would agree that nuKirk's death on its own would should not be enough to push nuSpock over the edge. However, this isn't the first death that nuSpock has experienced. In a year's time (approximate) he lost his mother, planet, Captain Pike and almost died himself. That goes from freaky coincidence to death is stalking me. At some point in time, psychologically, it becomes too much to bear.

I understand being embarrassed for a franchise, I really do. I've felt that way over a number of scenes in Trek. But, for me, it is one brief scene that is over rather quickly, and still flows from the character's arc.

Finally, there were arguments against Trek 09 for being "not Star Trek." So, the writers went to the well of "good Trek" and attempted an homage and a different take on a famous scene. It works for some and doesn't for others. If its embarrassing, its one the franchise can surely survive.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Exactly. There was at most a 1 year history for NuSpock and NuKirk.

Didn't Kirk and Spock only have a 1 year history when Spock was being all mopey about Kirk being dead in Amok Time and then being visibly overjoyed when it turned out Kirk wasn't dead?

 

[JWPlatt]

Exactly. There was at most a 1 year history for NuSpock and NuKirk.

Didn't Kirk and Spock only have a 1 year history when Spock was being all mopey about Kirk being dead in Amok Time and then being visibly overjoyed when it turned out Kirk wasn't dead?

...that we saw. How long before the show started had Spock been working with Kirk? Also, Spock felt directly responsible. Was nuSpock responsible for nuKirk's death?

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Exactly. There was at most a 1 year history for NuSpock and NuKirk.

Didn't Kirk and Spock only have a 1 year history when Spock was being all mopey about Kirk being dead in Amok Time and then being visibly overjoyed when it turned out Kirk wasn't dead?

...that we saw. How long before the show started had Spock been working with Kirk?

Not enough to be friendly with him since in Where No Man Has Gone Before Kirk was chewing him out for being cold and ruthless in regards to Mitchell.

 

[Nebusj]

It was a crappy homage. We get a weepy crybaby Spock shouting Khan. I was embarrassed just watching it.

If you get embarrassed watching a movie, you're probably doing it wrong.

Or maybe you're just watching Meet Dave.

 

[Amaris]

It was a crappy homage. We get a weepy crybaby Spock shouting Khan. I was embarrassed just watching it.

If you get embarrassed watching a movie, you're probably doing it wrong.

Or maybe you're just watching Meet Dave.

Ah, yes, Meet Dave: the movie where you realize everyone who greenlit, produced, directed, and acted in it, was high as shit.

 

[TRON JA307020]

It was a crappy homage. We get a weepy crybaby Spock shouting Khan. I was embarrassed just watching it.

If you get embarrassed watching a movie, you're probably doing it wrong.

Or maybe you're just watching Meet Dave.

Meet Dave? Whats that?

 

[JWPlatt]

If you get embarrassed watching a movie, you're probably doing it wrong.

Or maybe you're just watching Meet Dave.

Meet Dave? Whats that?

Dave? Dave's not here.

Ut oh. I hear the death rattle of another thread.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Exactly. There was at most a 1 year history for NuSpock and NuKirk.

Didn't Kirk and Spock only have a 1 year history when Spock was being all mopey about Kirk being dead in Amok Time and then being visibly overjoyed when it turned out Kirk wasn't dead?

...that we saw. How long before the show started had Spock been working with Kirk? Also, Spock felt directly responsible. Was nuSpock responsible for nuKirk's death?

Exactly. Spock felt responsible for Kirks death in Amock Time. Spock was also still under the lingering effects of Pon Farr. NuSPock had no such reasons.

 

[BillJ]

NuSPock had no such reasons.

Except for the lingering emotions from the loss of his homeworld, six billion other Vulcans and his mother. Major events tend to stay with people for a really long time.

 

[fireproof78]

NuSPock had no such reasons.

Except for the lingering emotions from the loss of his homeworld, six billion other Vulcans and his mother. Major events tend to stay with people for a really long time.

This.

I have been trying to say this for several pages now. BillJ, maybe you'll get a better response

I'm sorry if others disagree but, for me, nuSpock's reaction is tantamount to "Everyone I get close to dies." I wish I could think of a literary character analogue but the I can't at the moment. Suffice to say, I understand nuSpock on an emotional level, the same way I did with Spock Prime on a logical level. Maybe that's why it works for me.

 

[Nebusj]

If you get embarrassed watching a movie, you're probably doing it wrong.

Or maybe you're just watching Meet Dave.

Meet Dave? Whats that?

It's a 2008 alleged movie in which teeny tiny itty-bitty aliens create a starship in the form of Eddie Murphy with which they try to infiltrate the romantic-comedy genre. The infiltration is unsuccessful.

 

[JWPlatt]

..."Everyone I get close to dies." I wish I could think of a literary character analogue but the I can't at the moment.

Black Widow?

 

[fireproof78]

..."Everyone I get close to dies." I wish I could think of a literary character analogue but the I can't at the moment.

Black Widow?

Maybe that's it.

Or Charlie Brown

 

[Shaka Zulu]

History wont be kind to this film. in fact even now the film has faced more criticism than most trek film to the point that the WOK director has slammed the film.

Who gives a flying frack about what two-trick pony Meyer thinks about Into Darkness? The movie made a ton of money, new (not old) fans and got a ton of great critical acclaim. That's what counts, not what butt-hurt fans or a butt-hurt director love to whine about it. And what negative criticism has it got that equals the worth of anything, anyway?

 

[fonzob1]

History wont be kind to this film. in fact even now the film has faced more criticism than most trek film to the point that the WOK director has slammed the film.

Who gives a flying frack about what two-trick pony Meyer thinks about Into Darkness? The movie made a ton of money, new (not old) fans and got a ton of great critical acclaim. That's what counts, not what butt-hurt fans or a butt-hurt director love to whine about it. And what negative criticism has it got that equals the worth of anything, anyway?

But, intelligent people don't concede that it was a good movie just because it attracted a mass of sheep. It was a trash film. Benedict Cumberbatch could have been anyone and the movie would have drawn the same revenue at the gate.

 

[Nerys Myk]

History wont be kind to this film. in fact even now the film has faced more criticism than most trek film to the point that the WOK director has slammed the film.

Who gives a flying frack about what two-trick pony Meyer thinks about Into Darkness? The movie made a ton of money, new (not old) fans and got a ton of great critical acclaim. That's what counts, not what butt-hurt fans or a butt-hurt director love to whine about it. And what negative criticism has it got that equals the worth of anything, anyway?

But, intelligent people don't concede that it was a good movie just because it attracted a mass of sheep. It was a trash film. Benedict Cumberbatch could have been anyone and the movie would have drawn the same revenue at the gate.

Intelligent people "concede" it was a successful movie because it attracted an large audience. They also don't refer to as people as "sheep" because they liked a movie.

 

[M'Sharak]

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But, intelligent people don't concede that it was a good movie just because it attracted a mass of sheep. It was a trash film. Benedict Cumberbatch could have been anyone and the movie would have drawn the same revenue at the gate.

Hey, two insults for the price of one: "People who liked the movie must be either stupid or mindless."

Please don't make a habit of doing that here.

Discuss the movie, discuss the cast, discuss the filmmakers, discuss ideas or opinions posted by others - that's all fine and dandy, but refrain from taking swipes at other fans, particularly so when those fans are your fellow posters.