Australians take pride in the country having been started by criminals so maybe that's why Firefly has always been popular here 
The underdog is always the preferred hero.
The underdog is always the preferred hero.
How internationally appealing is/was star trek ?
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Australians take pride in the country having been started by criminals so maybe that's why Firefly has always been popular here
The underdog is always the preferred hero.
Yeah, but America was started by bums and malcontents.
Maybe that's why most American TV characters have a total disrespect for authority.
America was started by religious nuts, wasn't it?
Breaking the law is not necessarily committing an immoral act. Especially if you are a scrappy little freedom fighter
Breaking the law is not necessarily committing an immoral act. Especially if you are a scrappy little freedom fighter
Australians take pride in the country having been started by criminals so maybe that's why Firefly has always been popular here
The underdog is always the preferred hero.
As an Australian roommate once told me: the difference between your country and America ... is that your ancestors were caught.
(Says the American whose ancestors escaped Dutch law to settle in Iowa.)
Oh man, never suggest to a German they'd be happy if the Nazis had won. They'll rip you to shreds. Even a good bunch of 1940s Germans were already opposed to what the Nazis did (nobody likes their friends and families disappearing and being forced to participate in an increasingly hopeless war) they listened secretly to BBC and cheered (privately of course) when the Allies took the Normandy. Not all of them of course, but a sizable bunch, they even had songs ridiculing Hitler and the Nazis.
Today "never forget never repeat" is almost a gospel to them it saturates all parts of their culture and they spend a whole year worth of history class in both middle and high school just learning "what horrible things the Nazis did, how they managed to gain power and why we must never let that happen again". In Germany the Third Reich is generally known as the "Unrechtsstaat" (State of Injustice) and they have a holiday that commemorates Hitler's overthrow, the "Day of Liberation" Apparently a lot of them don't even see it as a "war they lost" but are very, very happy that they don't have to live in a totalitarian society now. A history teacher during my prac demonstrated to me how easy it was actually to land in a Concentration Camp, even as a non-Jew. According to her I would have fitted at least four categories the Nazis persecuted (Pacifist, Gay, Handicapped, Person who openly speaks against the Nazi Party)
Of course, on the other hand they also have Neo-Nazi movements, but I understand that's a minority.
Apparently "Patterns of Force" was banned because it showed Nazis and the Nazi symbol in a non-educative (entertainment) context which back then was counted as "Widerbetaetigung" (Repeat Offense) a law that still, for instance prevents the sale and display of Nazi paraphernalia like flags, t-shirts etc. Back then they were a bit over-cautious with that and it didn't matter in what context the symbols where shown to the point where "Sound of Music" ended with Maria running away to avoid showing the Nazi flag later in the movie.
As far as I know the law was lessened around the turn of the millennium to allow it in movies and TV shows as long as they do not promote the Nazi party or trivialize their crimes.
These 'German' examples are the ones that first come to mind, but they are by no means the only ones.
The BBC neatly edited out a reference by Data to the 'Irish Unification of 2024' in their first run of the TNG ep 'the high ground'...
The BBC neatly edited out a reference by Data to the 'Irish Unification of 2024' in their first run of the TNG ep 'the high ground'...
^ and don't forget that the German original and English translation of "99 Red Balloons" both include a reference to Kirk!
It was more than his head that exploded! They blew open his chest, and there was a horrible monster inside. It was like something from a horror film, so I can understand removing it for a timeslot that included children. (Note: I am actually a horror fan myself.)
Funny thing is, they didn´t remove that scene from "Shades of Gray". So it is haunting me since childhood. And the parasites returned in the DS9 relaunch, but scenes with them were handled moderately.
I´m a Stephen King fan, but mostly his "horror" is more subtle, but some of his characters are "psycho".
I´m a Stephen King fan, but mostly his "horror" is more subtle, but some of his characters are "psycho".
Actually, the BBC never showed "The High Ground" until 2007, when the episode was shown uncut.
Sky, back in 1992, edited the Ireland line out of its screenings.
From a UK perspective, Trek was very popular - especially the Next Generation; I would say its popularity here beat the original series. Three completely separate channels are still repeating the show daily (season 1, 3 and 4 currently!)
I've heard that German version of Amok time is dubbed in the way it makes a completely different story. Something like about Spock being ill, and everything in this episode is just a weird feverish dream. Because back then, Star trek was meant to be a show for children, and biology of Vulcans wasn't appropriate. I think I would prefer this version. But I do not know how true is it.
Yes, Memory Alpha says, they changed the title of the episode to avoid an alleged "sexuality" topic, because they thought, TOS was for children. And they changed the sequences of the scenes, making a different story out of it. It´s been long since I have seen TOS on TV. The German TV broadcaster repeat TNG and Voyager endlessly, but TOS is underrepresented.
Be interesting to watch the re-edited episode, dubbed into English, and see what they did with it.
Our translated and dubbed version of TOS is from 2001 or 2002. But who used to catch Austrian TV across the border, could watch Raumschiff Enterprise (in German) in 80's, when the Iron curtain still stood, and later in 90's.
Spock has a very good czech voice actor...But for some reason they've changed him for TUC. Imagine Spock with the voice of Henry Blake from M*A*S*H*. It wasn't bad, but it a bit influenced my perception of the character while watching......
As for how we see certain things....It seems to me Kirk's E Plebnista speech, for example, is hilariously funny even for many American fans.
I do not like DS9's baseball episode, because I just find the baseball obsession of characters in American series and movies quite ridiculous. I feel sorry for all the american movie characters, who got a baseball glove from their father, though they do not like baseball and are bad at it.
But I would not like the episode, even if they played any other collective sport, like soccer or volleyball....
Spock has a very good czech voice actor...But for some reason they've changed him for TUC. Imagine Spock with the voice of Henry Blake from M*A*S*H*. It wasn't bad, but it a bit influenced my perception of the character while watching......
As for how we see certain things....It seems to me Kirk's E Plebnista speech, for example, is hilariously funny even for many American fans.
I do not like DS9's baseball episode, because I just find the baseball obsession of characters in American series and movies quite ridiculous. I feel sorry for all the american movie characters, who got a baseball glove from their father, though they do not like baseball and are bad at it.
But I would not like the episode, even if they played any other collective sport, like soccer or volleyball....
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Just subtitles and German audio would be fine with me. Anyway, it would be a great DVD extra.
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