Gotham - Season 1

[Guy Gardener]

That would be your Flashpoint Batman.

Thomas Wayne survives the encounter with Joe Chill.

Bruce buys a farm and Martha goes insane... Is she the Joker in this reality?

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Meanwhile over on Earth II, rather than dying, Thomas just crawled into a needle, and then when his son died saving the world from Darkseid, Dad picked up the cowl and Thomas continues to use drugs to stay physically ahead of the street level scum he beats half to death every night on the streets of Gotham.

Adult Bruce died at the conclusion of a Crisis in regular continuity some years back. I found this scene quite powerful.

 

[Christopher]

Bruce is probably my favorite character on the show. The actor is superb, and the writing captures Bruce's character very well. It's a unique opportunity to explore what makes Bruce Wayne tick without the distractions of constant fights and deathtraps.

 

[Beagleman]

Bruce is probably my favorite character on the show. The actor is superb, and the writing captures Bruce's character very well. It's a unique opportunity to explore what makes Bruce Wayne tick without the distractions of constant fights and deathtraps.

He isn't my favorite character but you are correct, the actor is really great, if he keeps it up he might have a great future in the business, at least I hope so.
I'm still surprised that the two characters I didn't care a bit about in the first four episodes have become my favourites, Gordon and Bullock, their banter and one-liners, developing them more than the cliche they seemed to be at first... great stuff.

 

[Kelthaz]

I will agree that the actor playing Bruce is fantastic and I hope that he goes on to great things, but a great actor does not save a poor character.

 

[Guy Gardener]

What if puberty is really kind?

Because an attractive actor can save a poor character.

In Vampire Diaries, there was a weedy annoying younger brother to the heroine, and you wanted him to die in fire, because he served no purpose. He goes away for a year and comes back looking like a Greek God and b...

Wait? Was it puberty and the gym, or did those ####s just recast?

Nope.

Same guy.

It was an amazing transformation.

He has shoulders the size of cantaloupes

I can imagine the phone call... "Please hire me back, I got hot over summer! I got hot, really, really hot!"

(I doubt he was fired, he probably needed a couple months off to concentrate on school/exams, and it just seemed that he was gone for a long time.)

 

[JD]

Last night's episode was another good one.
Now that they have Gordon and Dr. Thompson together I'm kind hoping they just ignore comic book canon, and never have him get back together with Barbara. Leslie is a much more interesting character.
I just realized that we haven't seen Allen and Montonya in a while, were they just recurring? I could have sworn they were in the main cast.
I was kind of surprised that Maroni actually found out about Penguin, I didn't expect that to happen so soon. I do have to complement them for actually moving some of these arcs forward at a pretty good rate.
I thought the A story with Scarecrow Sr. was pretty good. We got some good character stuff for Harvey here. I wonder if Crane was taking the adrenal glands to make the fear gas that his son becomes famous for?

 

[Christopher]

Now that they have Gordon and Dr. Thompson together I'm kind hoping they just ignore comic book canon, and never have him get back together with Barbara. Leslie is a much more interesting character.

In fact, in the comics, Gordon left Barbara and ended up marrying Sarah Essen -- who in this continuity is his boss.

I just realized that we haven't seen Allen and Montonya in a while, were they just recurring? I could have sworn they were in the main cast.

Both actors are still being listed in the main cast credits. So they're still getting paid, even if they aren't appearing. Hopefully we'll see them again soon.

I was kind of surprised that Maroni actually found out about Penguin, I didn't expect that to happen so soon. I do have to complement them for actually moving some of these arcs forward at a pretty good rate.

I liked the way Penguin got out of the car crusher. He called up the guy who was killing him! There's something you couldn't have done before cell phones.

 

[Forbin]

Just a pedantic note about shooting blanks into a guy's chest from 2 feet away - flame, unburned powder, and possibly wadding (something to hold the powder in when the bullet isn't there), still come shooting out of the gun really really fast. The person in front of the gun would definitely feel something unpleasant. Plus the blast and the noise right in the face? Maroni's one cool customer!

 

[Guy Gardener]

John Erik-Hexum.

 

[Christopher]

Just a pedantic note about shooting blanks into a guy's chest from 2 feet away - flame, unburned powder, and possibly wadding (something to hold the powder in when the bullet isn't there), still come shooting out of the gun really really fast. The person in front of the gun would definitely feel something unpleasant. Plus the blast and the noise right in the face? Maroni's one cool customer!

There have even been cases where blanks fired at close range have been lethal, though usually at point-blank range (pun definitely not intended). For instance, there's the tragic case of actor Jon-Erik Hexum, who died as a result of shooting himself in the head with a blank cartridge while playing around with a prop gun. The blunt-force trauma of the wadding hitting his skull at bullet speed was ultimately fatal.

The thing is, though, presumably Robin Lord Taylor was actually firing blanks in that shot, so it should've been a case where the reality matched the fiction. Did we actually see Taylor and David Zayas in the same shot when Taylor pulled the trigger, or did it intercut between them? If it's the former, then the armorer must've selected a kind of blank ammunition that was safe to fire at that range, and thus it's possible that Maroni did the same, knowing what might happen.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Just a pedantic note about shooting blanks into a guy's chest from 2 feet away - flame, unburned powder, and possibly wadding (something to hold the powder in when the bullet isn't there), still come shooting out of the gun really really fast. The person in front of the gun would definitely feel something unpleasant. Plus the blast and the noise right in the face? Maroni's one cool customer!

That might've made for an even better scene had the blanks been messier/nastier. He had a very white shirt...

The thing is, though, presumably Robin Lord Taylor was actually firing blanks in that shot, so it should've been a case where the reality matched the fiction. Did we actually see Taylor and David Zayas in the same shot when Taylor pulled the trigger, or did it intercut between them? If it's the former, then the armorer must've selected a kind of blank ammunition that was safe to fire at that range, and thus it's possible that Maroni did the same, knowing what might happen.

That scene was pretty close, I doubt they'd want to do that for safety reasons.

 

[Christopher]

The thing is, though, presumably Robin Lord Taylor was actually firing blanks in that shot, so it should've been a case where the reality matched the fiction. Did we actually see Taylor and David Zayas in the same shot when Taylor pulled the trigger, or did it intercut between them? If it's the former, then the armorer must've selected a kind of blank ammunition that was safe to fire at that range, and thus it's possible that Maroni did the same, knowing what might happen.

That scene was pretty close, I doubt they'd want to do that for safety reasons.

Yeah, but the point is, we don't have to speculate, we can actually see in the episode whether the two actors were in the same frame when the gun was fired. Did we cut from a shot of Taylor firing the gun to a separate shot of Zayas reacting, or did it happen in a two-shot with the gun actually that close to Zayas when it fired? My recollection is that it was a two-shot, but I'm not sure.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

I don't know the technical terms but they are not in the same shot when Penguin fires. Not surprising since the gun is like a foot from the actor's face.

 

[TheSeeker]

I'm pretty sure they cut to a close-up Penguin firing then back to Maroni looking smug.

 

[Forbin]

True that there's probably a "safe point-blank-range blank" available for show biz special effects. And if so, no reason a mob boss couldn't get hold of them.

In Jon-Eric Hexum's case, IIRC, he pressed the barrel against his head and the pressure of the blank actualy blew out a small chunk of skull and drove it into his brain. Bullet or no, a pistol cartridge is still a small case of explosives.

 

[Christopher]

^Yes, but I was trying to avoid a graphic description of his injury.

 

[Morpheus 02]

I've been saying this since before the show premiered and I'm going to continue saying it until the show is cancelled. Kill off Bruce Wayne. It'll get rid of the dead weight and grant freedom from the shackles of Batman continuity.

Imagine a pissed off, badass Alfred mourning the death of all three Waynes. You could make him an anti-hero vigilante who goes after the mob and occasionally crosses paths with Gordon.

Well, hey...it's not like it's in the same continuity as the B v. S movie (or anything else for that matter). So why not? They made movies out of killing Hitler,so why not change "history"?

I hope the Penguin doesn't kill that bus full of church folk....

In the 1st half of the season, he seemed to have killed an average of one victim per episode. i think he's behind on his quota... (though i think him doing all that killing and NOT getting caught? Really? )

 

[Christopher]

(though i think him doing all that killing and NOT getting caught? Really? )

If you mean not getting caught by the police, I find that very plausible given how corrupt and uncaring the GCPD is. As for the mobsters he's killed, he's managed to find other mobsters to pin the murders on, and mobsters generally don't bother with due process or the presumption of innocence.

 

[The Old Mixer]

I haven't seen every episode, but I was thinking of how he killed his way back to Gotham after Gordon fake-killed him.

 

[DWF]

Maroni and Falcone at this point I think are the most interesting characters on the show, Gordon is a rather flawless character and Bruce is pretty boring. But this show is more about the gangsters than the heroes at this point. And I do like Robin Lord Taylor's commericals, he comes across as a fairly likable buy and pretty normal by comparison to his character. I can't say I like what they're doing to Ed Nygma though, the Riddler was always more a petty criminal not the psycho his turning into here.