Or perhaps it was the opposite, to mask the fact that it hadn't been given a shiney new paint job and was the scarred bridge from TWOK/TSFS.
Saratoga bridge at beginning of The Voyage Home
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Or perhaps it was the opposite, to mask the fact that it hadn't been given a shiney new paint job and was the scarred bridge from TWOK/TSFS.
But that bridge wasn't "scarred" when elements of it (mainly the back wall) were used as the Grissom bridge. The director made good use of existing elements to create a bridge that looked distinct, simply by demounting the central console and skipper's seat and placing them facing more or less aft, and closer to the side consoles; this also framed all the damage outside the picture.
The same could have been done with the Saratoga, considering what limited angles the director of that movie ended up using anyway. But by using the final scene E-A bridge as is, just dimmed down, the director could completely avoid set changes (just shoot our heroes first, on the pristine bridge, then turn off the lights and send in the other team and fire up some sparklers to indicate damage), so I agree this is a likely reason for doing it.
Can we tell whether the extra silver wall bracings are there yet in the Saratoga scenes? If not, then the "they hid the scorch marks" explanation probably triumphs over the "they hid the shiny new paint" one.
EDIT: Seems that no, we can't...
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tvhhd/tvhhd0198.jpg
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tvhhd/tvhhd2277.jpg
Timo Saloniemi
The same could have been done with the Saratoga, considering what limited angles the director of that movie ended up using anyway. But by using the final scene E-A bridge as is, just dimmed down, the director could completely avoid set changes (just shoot our heroes first, on the pristine bridge, then turn off the lights and send in the other team and fire up some sparklers to indicate damage), so I agree this is a likely reason for doing it.
Can we tell whether the extra silver wall bracings are there yet in the Saratoga scenes? If not, then the "they hid the scorch marks" explanation probably triumphs over the "they hid the shiny new paint" one.
EDIT: Seems that no, we can't...
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tvhhd/tvhhd0198.jpg
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tvhhd/tvhhd2277.jpg
Timo Saloniemi
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The Enterprise, Enterprise-A (in TVH), Reliant, Grissom, and Saratoga bridges were all redresses of the same bridge set used for the Enterprise in TMP, TWOK, TSFS, and TVH, and later used as the Battle Bridge and various other bridges on TNG, DS9, Voyager and Enteprise.
The captain loved to switch on game mode whenever there was a mission, because it is better to immerse yourself in the mission. Especially after that accident with the male crew member taking out his pocket mirror during an attack to check if he's looking good enough if they get hailed.
True, it would have no direct functional purpose. It's conceivable that dimming the lights and such serves as a psychological reminder to the crew that they are in Sekrit Mission Mode and should be cautious about any unnecessary expenditures of energy, and to lock down otherwise ordinary procedures that might give their positions away, and to not touch buttons on the edge of their consoles when they're trying to stand up again, though.
I think that's all a bit silly, but subtle things can reinforce attitudes and if you're running in an environment where mistakes are serious problems, then little things that discourage them are probably more valuable.
Starfleet certainly needed that in the 23rd century.
Seriously, though, I agree with that.
...It would also be fun to think that the President is only (nearly) blind when forced to tolerate human-standard lighting levels, as a species trait. Those could be simple sunglasses, then. And we would understand why the President has those curtains completely blocking the lovely view over Paris, in a meeting room clearly designed to provide as much of that view as possible. 
Timo Saloniemi
Timo Saloniemi
Yikes, I'd never noticed how rough the Enterprise-A bridge's floor looked in that scene.
Sorta OT: It has always sounded, to me, as if Nimoy dubbed Nick Ramus' line, which goes something like: "Here it comes again."
Anyone hear this besides me?
Sir Rhosis
Anyone hear this besides me?
Sir Rhosis
Doctorwhovian
Fleet Captain
I think the novel has the St VI character as Deltan, despite clearly having a lot of hair, and we see male Deltans in TVH anyway which are more consistent with Illia's bald look.
I agree. It seems to be the case on Voyager as well, which always faded down it's internal lighting on the bridge whenever Janeway called a Red Alert. I think what you propose is a reasonable explanation of the decrease in lighting, creating a different physchological condition in the brains of the crew (its a little like how commercial airlines turn off the internal lights to 'simulate' night-time for the passengers on long-haul flights, even if they're passing through a timezone where it's still daylight outside).
Marsden said:
One thing I will say for the TMP uniforms is that, like TNG's skant, they're non-discriminatory (ie, everybody's junk is on display). 
I don't think so. Ramus has other dialogue ("Thruster controls have been neutralized!") which was not dubbed...
That's because J.M. Dillard's TUC novelization is keeping continuity with Vonda McIntyre's novelizations of TWOK-TVH. In the TWOK shooting script, Jedda (one of the scientists on Regula One; the one who gets phasered by Terrell down in the cave) is identified as a Deltan, but the actor has a full head of hair. So McIntyre extrapolated that female Deltans were bald, but males kept their hair. She also made the TVH helmsman a Deltan, apparently not being aware of the behind-the-scenes naming of that race as "Efrosian." So when the Federation President turns out to be the same race in TUC, Dillard wrote that he was a Deltan.
Wow! You're right. What the heck happened to the floor?
The shrink-wrap hadn't set yet, obviously. :P
I'm trying to find it, but as the Saratoga was getting bugzapped by the probe, at least one console sparks. Did we notice if the control consoles were the older physical ones, or if they were using the fancy touchscreen controls of the E-A?
And while we're at it, what about Captain Vijay's scenes aboard the Yorktown? He was on the smoked-up bridge of the Enterprise as well.
Mark
I'm trying to find it, but as the Saratoga was getting bugzapped by the probe, at least one console sparks. Did we notice if the control consoles were the older physical ones, or if they were using the fancy touchscreen controls of the E-A?
And while we're at it, what about Captain Vijay's scenes aboard the Yorktown? He was on the smoked-up bridge of the Enterprise as well.
Mark
Even the TrekCore screencaps show plenty of multi-colored "texture" to both the wall consoles and the helm pulpit. Definitely not the E-A look from the final scene of the movie, but possibly not quite the basic ST2/3 look any more, either; if they knew they were redoing those set elements anyway, they might have had all sorts of fun with putting in a few extra colorful lights, buttons and displays (that is, random stuff to replace what was broken in the earlier films, either for real or for show), and not caring much about leaving a few wires showing - another factor influencing the decision to keep the set dark.
Timo Saloniemi
Timo Saloniemi
When Kirk tackles him to the ground saying "Kirk, Enterprise" I can rarely keep myself from adding, "I know who you are, dumbass."
This is a moment that works even better if you subscribe to the UFP President being blind, IMO. If the President couldn't see, he would have NO IDEA who just knocked him over, and if this person was a potential assassin, his personal guard, or someone else altogether! So the small humorous moment of Kirk identifying himself in the theatrical cut becomes something more when you know a bit of behind-the-scenes info.
"I'm sticking with this interpretation, even though it's clearly a mistake at this point!"
I think the dark lighting was just to set the mood.
Fiddling with brightness and contrast shows...
...the bridge sections they used (4 starboard ones of the Enterprise WOK/TSFS bridge setup) look to have gotten a new paint job and had the fancy blinky displays, plus the two CRTs on the station next to Science, replaced with very simple backlit ones.
Interestingly, this picture...
...shows the same two stations from the screen cap I used were also redone again for the 1701-A. So I wonder if the entire set was redone for the A and the scene at the end of TVH was originally a bit longer showing off more of it.
Fiddling with brightness and contrast shows...
...the bridge sections they used (4 starboard ones of the Enterprise WOK/TSFS bridge setup) look to have gotten a new paint job and had the fancy blinky displays, plus the two CRTs on the station next to Science, replaced with very simple backlit ones.
Interestingly, this picture...
...shows the same two stations from the screen cap I used were also redone again for the 1701-A. So I wonder if the entire set was redone for the A and the scene at the end of TVH was originally a bit longer showing off more of it.
It's the Saratoga setup with the display panels backlit red.
They weren't just shift around reuses. They were also repainted and modified. As the Enterprise the sections had a two-tone color scheme. The Reliant had a tricolor scheme, Grissom was a single color, and the Saratoga/Yorktown were tricolor. The blinky honeycomb display on the science station got replaced with a CRT when they were used for the Grissom and the displays, bar the four CRTs on the science station, were replaced with simple backlit ones when used for the Saratoga/Yorktown.
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