So, Dooku/Christopher Lee would be henchman to Tarkin/Peter Cushing? That would appeal to Hammer fans, but I don't think it would have intrigued audiences the way the look, sound and mysteriousness of Vader did. Not even close.
The Original Star Wars Trilogy With a Twist
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So, Dooku/Christopher Lee would be henchman to Tarkin/Peter Cushing? That would appeal to Hammer fans, but I don't think it would have intrigued audiences the way the look, sound and mysteriousness of Vader did. Not even close.
Has it ever been established that Tarkin was above Vader in the Imperial hierarchy? I always thought the pecking order went Palpatine ----> Vader ----> Tarkin ----> Brownshirt, and that Vader was somewhat deferential to Tarkin because the Death Star was his domain--and because Palpatine didn't want to risk an offended Tarkin using the Death Star against him.
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Back before the "Episode IV" business it was quite clear that Tarkin was Vader's boss, in fact the 1976 "Revised 4th Draft" screenplay plainly calls Vader Tarkin's "powerful henchman." In the movie Tarkin gives all the important orders, and Leia's line about "holding Vader's leash" makes it pretty clear whom she thinks is in charge. In the Death Star conference, Vader stands next to Tarkin's chair, the position of a subordinate, and an officer feels free to openly criticize his abilities and methods. The way Tarkin outlines the new power structure, "regional governors" like himself seem to be directly below the emperor.
Just as the Jedi are depicted as being outdated, Vader is also presented as maybe past his prime, but useful to Tarkin for reasons of his own. Later, when the emperor was established as head of the Dark Side, Vader started to be regarded as more of his right-hand man. But that's not how it was originally.
You're not getting it.
You said, "Why would they pay for Christopher Lee and not show him."
And I said that it sounded like ROTK because they did pay for Christopher Lee and filmed scenes for ROTK with Lee, but did not show them.
Get it now?
No...I don't think Dooku would've worked in the OT.
But he would have been far more interesting if in Phantom Menace, he tookover Qui Gon's role. But he might have been Force-thrown down the shaft. Obi-Wan thinks he's dead & kills Maul in rage. Either in this film or the next, we see that Dooku actually hid..
And anther thing could be that he's attempting to infiltrate, but finds out too late that Palpatine already knew his intentions. (Anakin finds this out AFTER he kills Dooku).
But he would have been far more interesting if in Phantom Menace, he tookover Qui Gon's role. But he might have been Force-thrown down the shaft. Obi-Wan thinks he's dead & kills Maul in rage. Either in this film or the next, we see that Dooku actually hid..
And anther thing could be that he's attempting to infiltrate, but finds out too late that Palpatine already knew his intentions. (Anakin finds this out AFTER he kills Dooku).
I'm getting that I should never discuss Star Wars on a Star Trek board.
Uhhhhhhh.
Ok.
Damn, Melakon, what the hell's it going to take to get us both on the same page here?
A Vulcan mind meld?
The other day I found a VBB site dedicated to Star wars! (Running 3.x)
www.lucasforums.com/index.php
I was happy I found that like I was when I found this site for Star Trek
www.lucasforums.com/index.php
I was happy I found that like I was when I found this site for Star Trek
It's been said that under the "new regime" the novelizations are canon where they align with what is seen on screen in the films. ( Of course, it stands to reason that that was also the de facto situation before, whether explicitly spelled out or not, since movies were held as a higher level of canon than books. )
Back in the seventies, Christopher Lee wasn't really as respected as he became in later years. The movie itself might have been written of as horror schlock if Lee had been first billed.
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About Vader's rank-Lucas's original drafts for ROTJ actually had the Moff Jerjorodd character (The Death star commander in the finished film) as Vader's nemesis for Palpatine's favor, and clearly outranking Vader. There's very little of this in the film though-Jerjorodd is argumentative with Vader in the opening scene (Until Vader brings up the Emperor's arrival) and there's a deleted scene where he says Vader can't bother the Emperor (Which makes Vader do the force choke on him until he says the order came directly from the Emperor and Vader loosens his grip).
The concept of a rival for Vader sort of wound up in the Shadows Of The Empire novel/comic/video game, but played out differently than in the old Jedi script.
The concept of a rival for Vader sort of wound up in the Shadows Of The Empire novel/comic/video game, but played out differently than in the old Jedi script.
