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TNG Rewatch: 5x25 - "The Inner Light"

They should have had it last for a week, instead of a few minutes. THEN there'd be no doubt that this was an attack, but ultimately the duration is of no consequence to the act or the effect

If it lasted a week, they'd have to feed him with an IV-drip.
 
Say it was an attack. OK now what? They're all dead a thousand years. Should Picard be resentful anyway? Seek vengenance on...something? Are we supposed to not enjoy the episode?

I don't get it.

Nothing to get, no now what. It's just accepting the severity of what the aliens did. What Picard does with the experience and how he copes with it is something else entirely. That doesn't change the fact that what the aliens did was a forceful violation of Picard's mind.

This is about as much of a rape as someone being forced to read a book and getting attached to the characters. Seems to be a different class of crime.

Vastly, vastly different things. Picard wasn't forced to read a book, he was forced to experience a situation and decades of life against his will.
 
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Nothing to get, no now what. It's just accepting the severity of what the aliens did. What Picard does with the experience and how he copes with it is something else entirely. That doesn't change the fact that what the aliens did was a forceful violation of Picard's mind.
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They were about to die on a planetary scale, so maybe they didn't think that your personal idea of what constitute a rape was important enough in comparison.


That reminds me of a line in Cheers (the show):

"That guy gave up his life when he pushed me out of the way of that zamboni but he broke my wrist!"

"That hurts!"

Everything is relative....
 
Interesting to see so much hate on an acclaimed episode.

I assume the feelings are that much more intense for Voyager's Memorial. It took the same idea, but forced it on EVERYONE, and left them traumatized.
 
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Interesting to see so much hate on an acclaimed episode.

For me it's not really hate. I mean, I really like the episode it's got some great moments and themes in it. Though I think it may also be a touch overrated. But, at the same time, it's still possible to discuss the implications of the events in it.
 
I guess that's the thing, the perception of it being overrated. That's to be expected with the very popular episodes. It does seem to get the 'overrated' tag much more than Yesterday's Enterprise or Best of Both Worlds, though.
 
I guess that's the thing, the perception of it being overrated. That's to be expected with the very popular episodes. It does seem to get the 'overrated' tag much more than Yesterday's Enterprise or Best of Both Worlds, though.

I just find it really, really boring more than anything else.
 
Interesting to see so much hate on an acclaimed episode.

I assume the feelings are that much more intense for Voyager's Memorial. It took the same idea, but forced it on EVERYONE, and left them traumatized.

It clockwork oranged them.


Now, each time they see a memorial, it makes them want to puke.
 
And there is hardly any damage done from the Inner Light's dream on Picard. He wakes up and has experienced a very long, pleasant dream and gained a ton of knowledge.
Yeah.............. Highly debatable, Dude. He pines away on that damn flute the rest of his days. It wasn't a dream. It was a forced life experience. Total MindF###

So do people who've been turned down by the woman they love. Should we forbid women saying no on account of the damage that it does the spurned lover?
No, but we should condemn people for forcing it into someone's brain artificially. A mindf##k is a mindf##k is a mindf##k
 
Yeah.............. Highly debatable, Dude. He pines away on that damn flute the rest of his days. It wasn't a dream. It was a forced life experience. Total MindF###

So do people who've been turned down by the woman they love. Should we forbid women saying no on account of the damage that it does the spurned lover?
No, but we should condemn people for forcing it into someone's brain artificially. A mindf##k is a mindf##k is a mindf##k

Which is arguably a lie or at least an exaggeration. It didn't appear like they were forcing anything on him. Sure they lied to him but lying is hardly exceptional and definitely not enough to qualify as mind-number-number-k. ;)
 
^The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Or the one.

But, as Star Trek itself has taught us, sometimes the needs of the one outweighs the needs of the many.

And this is not one of those times.

Civilizations on a galactic, and even on a universal, scale die off all of the time for various reasons. These people's "need" or want to to be known doesn't trump Picard's need/right to have control over his own mind and some sense of sanity and continuity to his own life.
 
So do people who've been turned down by the woman they love. Should we forbid women saying no on account of the damage that it does the spurned lover?
No, but we should condemn people for forcing it into someone's brain artificially. A mindf##k is a mindf##k is a mindf##k

Which is arguably a lie or at least an exaggeration. It didn't appear like they were forcing anything on him. Sure they lied to him but lying is hardly exceptional and definitely not enough to qualify as mind-number-number-k. ;)
No one he interacted with was real. What the cerebral implantation consisted of is not the issue. That they felt it ok to hijack someone's brain & screw with it is. Forcing memories of a lifetime spent having to relent & eventually accept these people as real & his true life, only to have the rug yanked out & leaving him the loss of a family that was never his, is damn cruel. They gave him no choice but to build an actual family with some strange woman, who he got brow beat into accepting as his wife, & then after a lifetime of watching it grow, they tell him it's all Bulls##t

There's only 2 possibilities. Either that ssn of his, played by Stewart's actual son, was a son made specifically for him, or it was yet another recreation of an actual person who he really has no familial connection to. In the 1st scenario, they created a son for him, even looks like him, & then it's all a BS illusion & he is just an idiot pining over a son that never existed, or option 2, he got duped into believing that some stranger WAS his son & the whole thing was just some program that he was made to believe was his life. Either way. It's a terrible thing to do to someone, regardless of how badly they want to be valued & remembered. Send a video encyclopedia for god sake, & leave people's identities alone, jerkwads
 
But, as Star Trek itself has taught us, sometimes the needs of the one outweighs the needs of the many.

And this is not one of those times.

Civilizations on a galactic, and even on a universal, scale die off all of the time for various reasons. These people's "need" or want to to be known doesn't trump Picard's need/right to have control over his own mind and some sense of sanity and continuity to his own life.

That's absurd. It's like saying to someone: "The fact that you're dying doesn't give you the right to disturb my lunch."

It's not only inhuman in its insensitivity, it's also self-centered and borderline sadistic.
 
They aren't dying. They're 1000 years dead, & they didn't disturb his lunch. They stole his life & then dumped him back in it after they tweaked his entire mind. They disturbed his entire being
 
You're severely under-estimating what occurred to Picard here.

He wasn't having a lunch, he was living his life. Their disturbance? Was forcing him to live 40-years of a life that wasn't his and then after living that life where he had a friends, a wife, kids, grandkids and strugglede this dying civilization and then it was all yanked from him. Leaving him with a lot of emotional pain to deal with.

That's a bit more dramatic of a thing to do than to tell someone the story of your life.
 
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