What if VOY had been stranded in the Sagittarius Dwarf galaxy instead

[at Quark's]

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There's also no guarantee that Voyager would make it across the void. Starfleet warp drives are notorious for failing for no reason. The ship breaks down 9,000 light years into the trip, and the crew's screwed. No rescue from the Federation or any locals from Sagittarius. At least sticking around the Sagittarius Dwarf galaxy lets Voyager run into local races who might know people who know people who know people that may assist Voyager at some point or might know information.

Sag Dsph seems to have about 70-80 million stars; let's hope that's enough for at least one race to have developed there that's friendly and more advanced than the federation...

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

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I believe that even in an area apparently empty of stars from our point of view there must still be a few stars here and there. We know that there are rogue planets (planets far from the gravitational field of any stars) I don't see why there wouldn't be rogue stars as well. So what Voyager would have to do, is plan their route carefully so that they would come across as many of those stars as possible.

 

[ThankYouGeneR]

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Interesting discussion

 

[at Quark's]

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I believe that even in an area apparently empty of stars from our point of view there must still be a few stars here and there. We know that there are rogue planets (planets far from the gravitational field of any stars) I don't see why there wouldn't be rogue stars as well. So what Voyager would have to do, is plan their route carefully so that they would come across as many of those stars as possible.

That could perhaps help out with regard to the supply of raw materials.... if you can find what you need in such a stray solar system (perhaps some materials are rare and not to be found everywhere).

It doesn't solve however the need for materials that cannot be refined on board but need larger installations (space station or planetbound), and other services that a friendly species could offer, like large scale maintenance in one of their facilities.

That is, of course, when assuming that there are much more uninhabited systems than inhabited ones, which is likely even in the trek universe .

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

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I believe that even in an area apparently empty of stars from our point of view there must still be a few stars here and there. We know that there are rogue planets (planets far from the gravitational field of any stars) I don't see why there wouldn't be rogue stars as well. So what Voyager would have to do, is plan their route carefully so that they would come across as many of those stars as possible.

That could perhaps help out with regard to the supply of raw materials.... if you can find what you need in such a stray solar system (perhaps some materials are rare and not to be found everywhere).

It doesn't solve however the need for materials that cannot be refined on board but need larger installations (space station or planetbound), and other services that a friendly species could offer, like large scale maintenance in one of their facilities.

That is, of course, when assuming that there are much more uninhabited systems than inhabited ones, which is likely even in the trek universe .

I believe Archer said one minshara class planet for forty thousand star systems, that's a lot of raw material to be mined if you ask me. I believe it should last for millions of years before it could be exhausted.

 

[at Quark's]

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I believe Archer said one minshara class planet for forty thousand star systems, that's a lot of raw material to be mined if you ask me. I believe it should last for millions of years before it could be exhausted.

I wasn't thinking about exhaustion by mining even. A few weeks ago there was a thread in which it was discussed that e.g. a substance like dilithium might perhaps be relatively rare and in that case perhaps cannot be found in just every solar system. If you happen to have a string of bad luck in that void, not having found it in the last few systems you came across and the next solar system is again, say, 200 LY further, you might have a serious problem in that (semi-)void.

Also, even if these substances are present, you still have to be able to extract and process them. Even though the intrepid class was designed for long-range exploration missions, voyager was not intended to go on a mission for more than a few weeks, so it is dubious whether mining/refining equipment would be on board. Also, it's uncertain if they could create these simply by using the replicators on board. In season 1, they couldn't even replace photon torpedoes, even though in later seasons they were capable of building objects as large as the delta flyer. So perhaps it's an ability they gained over the years ?

 

[Isolinear]

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If Voyager would try to cross that void, every episode would be a holodeck episode. With an occasional anomaly ep to charge the holodeck batteries. Think about that.

 

[at Quark's]

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If Voyager would try to cross that void, every episode would be a holodeck episode. With an occasional anomaly ep to charge the holodeck batteries. Think about that.

They shouldn't be....I think they'd want to conserve all possible energy instead of wasting it on the holodeck ).

That is, until they invented the 'holodeck energy is incompatible with the rest of the ship' nonsense, which is of course only a lame-ass excuse for the writers to let the crew face dire energy needs, and still have holodeck adventures ...

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

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I believe Archer said one minshara class planet for forty thousand star systems, that's a lot of raw material to be mined if you ask me. I believe it should last for millions of years before it could be exhausted.

I wasn't thinking about exhaustion by mining even. A few weeks ago there was a thread in which it was discussed that e.g. a substance like dilithium might perhaps be relatively rare and in that case perhaps cannot be found in just every solar system. If you happen to have a string of bad luck in that void, not having found it in the last few systems you came across and the next solar system is again, say, 200 LY further, you might have a serious problem in that (semi-)void.

Also, even if these substances are present, you still have to be able to extract and process them. Even though the intrepid class was designed for long-range exploration missions, voyager was not intended to go on a mission for more than a few weeks, so it is dubious whether mining/refining equipment would be on board. Also, it's uncertain if they could create these simply by using the replicators on board. In season 1, they couldn't even replace photon torpedoes, even though in later seasons they were capable of building objects as large as the delta flyer. So perhaps it's an ability they gained over the years ?

Even in Archer's time they were able to use the transporter to mine their ore. The trellium messed up the transporter because it's a bizarro compound that's only useful to withstand the expanse before they destroyed the spheres and/or get T'pol to feel emotion.

 

[at Quark's]

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Even in Archer's time they were able to use the transporter to mine their ore. The trellium messed up the transporter because it's a bizarro compound that's only useful to withstand the expanse before they destroyed the spheres and/or get T'pol to feel emotion.

Ah... I forgot about that one. I'll have to admit that I've had the opportunity to view ent S3 only once so my knowledge of these details is somewhat less firm than for some of the other series...

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

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Even in Archer's time they were able to use the transporter to mine their ore. The trellium messed up the transporter because it's a bizarro compound that's only useful to withstand the expanse before they destroyed the spheres and/or get T'pol to feel emotion.

Ah... I forgot about that one. I'll have to admit that I've had the opportunity to view ent S3 only once so my knowledge of these details is somewhat less firm than for some of the other series...

I am just saying that I don't see why Archer's transporter would be less advanced than those that followed and since they are going to beam the ore to their holds eventually, then why not do it directly from inside the ground?