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Do you think the feud between Shatner and Takei is fake?

It's not having heroes that's the problem, it's demanding that your heroes conform to your expectations. It's the belief that they owe you something in return for your admiration of them.

Ideally, we should all behave as if we're role models for children, whether we have kids or not, and whether we're famous or not.

What does that mean?

It means what it says.

What should be the universal standards accepted by almost everyone?
Basically, it means treat people the way you want to be treated, don't be a dirt bag, and always be aware of the fact that kids imitate what they see adults doing.
 
Thanks, urbandefault, that's it. Children watch adults, not just their family, friends, culltural icons, but everyone, everywhere, anytime. How we as adults treat others is what children are learning, whether we're aware they're watching or not.
 
Thanks, urbandefault, that's it. Children watch adults, not just their family, friends, culltural icons, but everyone, everywhere, anytime. How we as adults treat others is what children are learning, whether we're aware they're watching or not.
Thanks. I have a bunch of grandkids, so I'm kinda particular about that stuff. :)
 
If Takei and Shatner want to feud, that's their business. If they don't, that's their business, too. They're adults. They're free to say whatever they want, just as you (general you) are free to ignore them. Or follow them on Twitter.
 
It's not having heroes that's the problem, it's demanding that your heroes conform to your expectations. It's the belief that they owe you something in return for your admiration of them.

Ideally, we should all behave as if we're role models for children, whether we have kids or not, and whether we're famous or not.

What does that mean?

It means we should try to set a good example so hopefully kids who imitate everything they see will follow it and become better people when they're adults.
 
Shatner didn't make the guest list, Comedy Central did.
Shatner would've had veto.
I doubt it.

I would be amazed Shatner he didn't have some form of approval of the roasters. People like Greg Giraldo or Lisa Lampanelli were obviously Comedy Central picks, but I doubt that Takei or Nichols would've been on the show if Shatner had a problem with them being there.
 
^ Maybe. But even if he didn't plead for Takei not to be invited, that's hardly evidence of a decades-long conspiracy of show animosity between the two.
 
More grist for the "It's A Fake!" treadmill: this is George Takei interviewed in 2003, quoted directly from the DVD featurette 'Kirk, Spock & Bones: Star Trek's Great Trio' featured on the Season 2 DVD set.

"He's a wonderful actor who created a singular character. No-one could've done Kirk the way Bill did. His energy, and his vitality, and his passion, and his supreme self-confidence. You know, that's Bill. And that's Captain Kirk."

Doesn't sound like a man harboring a 'feud'. :) (Of course, something could have soured the milk since then, or perhaps it was just Takei being complimentary about Shatner's acting ability, without actually commenting on his personal opinion about the man himself. But I don't know..... I do still wonder if both men have strung out this 'feud' thing as a mutually beneficial publicity stunt.....)
 
ive always liked Shatner alleged flippant line to Takei when Takei told him about Sulu getting his own ship in TWOK or TSFS 'why would you want that when all the action happens on the enterprise?' lol its true. anyway Takei being made to wait for his captaincy in TUC was a far bigger deal than if hed been made captain of excelsior off screen in TWOK or whenever it was (maybe theyd have had to even write him out of much of TSFS and TVHs 20th century scenes?). hes lucky the writers didn't have Chekov as excelsior captain in VI judging by how Chekov always seemed to get the big movie roles out of the 4 supporting cast
 
More grist for the "It's A Fake!" treadmill: this is George Takei interviewed in 2003, quoted directly from the DVD featurette 'Kirk, Spock & Bones: Star Trek's Great Trio' featured on the Season 2 DVD set.

"He's a wonderful actor who created a singular character. No-one could've done Kirk the way Bill did. His energy, and his vitality, and his passion, and his supreme self-confidence. You know, that's Bill. And that's Captain Kirk."

Doesn't sound like a man harboring a 'feud'. :) (Of course, something could have soured the milk since then, or perhaps it was just Takei being complimentary about Shatner's acting ability, without actually commenting on his personal opinion about the man himself. But I don't know..... I do still wonder if both men have strung out this 'feud' thing as a mutually beneficial publicity stunt.....)
A person can be both talented and an asshole. Hollywood is full of them. Being "professional" and objective about the talent doesn't contradict the personal opinion.
 
Doesn't sound like a man harboring a 'feud'. :) (Of course, something could have soured the milk since then, or perhaps it was just Takei being complimentary about Shatner's acting ability, without actually commenting on his personal opinion about the man himself. But I don't know..... I do still wonder if both men have strung out this 'feud' thing as a mutually beneficial publicity stunt.....)
Well, that settles it. As we all know, people only ever hold one narrow opinion on any given subject in their lives, and never say anything other than their complete honest one narrow opinion. Especially people who pretend to be other people for a living. They are always as consistent as a robot. :rolleyes:
 
I have noticed that most people are passive-aggressive in nature. When confronted with someone of a higher aggression level, I've found that a vast majority of the people involved retreat because they don't want to make waves.
Not sure that fits the definition of "passive-aggressive". Normally that refers to someone who is acting in a way that could be understood as "aggressive" while hiding it behind a supposedly passive action such as a "friendly" note, for instance.

Small nitpick in an excellent post though. :)
 
I have noticed that most people are passive-aggressive in nature. When confronted with someone of a higher aggression level, I've found that a vast majority of the people involved retreat because they don't want to make waves.
Not sure that fits the definition of "passive-aggressive". Normally that refers to someone who is acting in a way that could be understood as "aggressive" while hiding it behind a supposedly passive action such as a "friendly" note, for instance.

Small nitpick in an excellent post though. :)
Fair point. Perhaps "passive-submissive" or simply "passive" might have sufficed. Thanks very much! :)

ive always liked Shatner alleged flippant line to Takei when Takei told him about Sulu getting his own ship in TWOK or TSFS 'why would you want that when all the action happens on the enterprise?' lol its true. anyway Takei being made to wait for his captaincy in TUC was a far bigger deal than if hed been made captain of excelsior off screen in TWOK or whenever it was (maybe theyd have had to even write him out of much of TSFS and TVHs 20th century scenes?). hes lucky the writers didn't have Chekov as excelsior captain in VI judging by how Chekov always seemed to get the big movie roles out of the 4 supporting cast
IIRC, in one of his convention appearances back in the early 80's, Shatner recalled his experience when he first found out from Roddenberry that there was going to be a Motion Picture. In early drafts, he specifically mentioned where all the old bridge crew had already been assigned new ships and were being brought back to the newly-refit Enterprise in order to tackle the V'Ger problem (or maybe it was still "The God Thing" plot back then). I can't remember too many details about how he said it (was actually a K-Tel vinyl recording of the convention :lol:) but I suspect that, if he had real ego problems with the other "lesser" actors having been given ships of their own, he likely wouldn't have mentioned it, unprompted, at a convention featuring him.

I really do think a lot of this has all been superlatively over-exaggerated throughout the years.

And, yes, I'm now genuinely starting to wonder if this was all pre-meditated and agreed upon. If so, the joke's been on all of us for spending so much time talking about it after all these years.
 
More grist for the "It's A Fake!" treadmill: this is George Takei interviewed in 2003, quoted directly from the DVD featurette 'Kirk, Spock & Bones: Star Trek's Great Trio' featured on the Season 2 DVD set.

"He's a wonderful actor who created a singular character. No-one could've done Kirk the way Bill did. His energy, and his vitality, and his passion, and his supreme self-confidence. You know, that's Bill. And that's Captain Kirk."

Doesn't sound like a man harboring a 'feud'. :) (Of course, something could have soured the milk since then, or perhaps it was just Takei being complimentary about Shatner's acting ability, without actually commenting on his personal opinion about the man himself. But I don't know..... I do still wonder if both men have strung out this 'feud' thing as a mutually beneficial publicity stunt.....)

About five years ago I quit an improv troupe largely because of a personality conflict I had with one of the other members. We drove each other nuts, but we both thought that the other one was one of the funnier folks in the group. We even did some very funny scenes together. It's certainly possible to recognize someone's talent, compliment him, be proud of the work that you've done together, and still think he's an asshole.
 
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