Relics: Saw it again
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And you think Scotty wouldn't have been affected at all by that news? I don't think he's the kind that would take something like that in stride, he's definitely not Riker.
That's Spock's line. Well, not exactly his line but the recounting of it by someone else...
I am just saying that: "I've been dead before." is a Spock quote in Star Trek VI.
They didn't make a fuss when Scotty died for a short time in the Changeling anyway. I doubt he even remembers the event.
Also, in that episode they seem to think that it was Scotty's ship.
What gave them that idea?
My personal opinion is that the TNG crew have a rather pedestrian impression of Scotty altogether, given who he is & what he's accomplished in his life. They figured he was a solid engineer with Starfleet training who lucked into a miracle, (They probably checked the power points in his record a bit too) & just jumped to the conclusion that since he was old, he wouldn't be able to maintain a post aboard a top quality starship & was in fact relegated to being a member of the Jenolan crew, & apparently never bothered to cross-reference her crew manifest
Plus, to be fair, they might not have assumed he'd be retired yet, because he's not THAT old in relation to their current standard of longevity. So why else would he be aboard if he was an active engineer? & he certainly still ACTS like an active engineer
I don't dispute that but I seem to recall that at some point it is mentioned that he was merely a passenger on that ship, on his way to a retirement colony, sort of the Florida of the future.
I've never heard of a starship refered to as a boat, that would be a first.
We see a bridge module, we see rows of windows, and we see the familiar nacelles of Kirk's and Khan's ships. That vessel is larger than either of those, by useable interior volume!
Whether the interior set is supposed to be the ship's bridge, or rather some sort of an emergency command room, we don't know. The latter sounds likelier, considering not just the nature of the set but the plot circumstances as well.
"Scotty's ship"? What do you mean? Of course it's Scotty's ship - Scotty was onboard! If I take a Dreamliner from Helsinki to New York, it's "my plane", even though I didn't make the multi-million-dollar investment into it, never contributed to the flight professionally, and even got the tickets free from my employer.
Timo Saloniemi
Whether the interior set is supposed to be the ship's bridge, or rather some sort of an emergency command room, we don't know. The latter sounds likelier, considering not just the nature of the set but the plot circumstances as well.
"Scotty's ship"? What do you mean? Of course it's Scotty's ship - Scotty was onboard! If I take a Dreamliner from Helsinki to New York, it's "my plane", even though I didn't make the multi-million-dollar investment into it, never contributed to the flight professionally, and even got the tickets free from my employer.
Timo Saloniemi
You know, maybe it has to do with salvage rights, Scotty being the only survivor on board could claim ownership on that basis. Who knows? Maybe he did cause the other guy's pattern to decay, so he wouldn't have to share the ship...
That damn Picard, why did he have to get caught by a stupid door, and force Scotty to sacrifice his ship?
Interesting interpretation.
For me as a tv viewer, it was the TNG crew that came across as pedestrian. The interaction between Scotty and the TNG crew, especially Geordi, highlighted how dynamic, colorful and memorable the characters of TOS are/were. The TNG characters pale in comparison.
Scotty, even at his advanced age, still exuded charm and gregariousness. The man had charisma. Geordi, on the other hand, was stiff and very technocratic -- like his usual self and like his crewmates.
I got the impression that the feeling may have been mutual. Worf looked like he wanted nothing to do with Scotty.
Whatever the case, Worf is hardly a warm, affable, huggable Klingon anyway. It seemed like it was true to Worf's nature that he didn't offer Scotty any sort of farewell.
About that Dyson sphere, why would a society build such a structure? It seems to be so uneconomical. The amount of resources and time to create such a sphere would be astronomical. And the maintenance cost would be enormous. Resources could be put to better use.
As we saw, the thing was nearly invisible at a distance, even to the finest 24th century Federation sensors. If a culture wanted to hide, that would be a nice way to do it. And as said, there could be more habitable area inside that sphere than there is in the entire Federation. Expansion room for all eternity!
The opposite case could also be postulated: the builders wanted to create a forum for all sorts of cultures to meet. There could have been millions of distinct ones in there, all living in harmony because nobody ever need brush shoulders with their neighbors.
Both of these are valid alternatives to having a "conventional" star empire that requires lots of travel to control the same habitable area and resources, and presents much larger borders to guard.
Timo Saloniemi
The opposite case could also be postulated: the builders wanted to create a forum for all sorts of cultures to meet. There could have been millions of distinct ones in there, all living in harmony because nobody ever need brush shoulders with their neighbors.
Both of these are valid alternatives to having a "conventional" star empire that requires lots of travel to control the same habitable area and resources, and presents much larger borders to guard.
Timo Saloniemi
To give an idea of how big the inside of the sphere would be. If someone wanted to make a trip around the equator of the sphere, using a supersonic plane. He would have to fly three hundred thousand hours, IE 12,500 days, IE more than 34 years! assuming he did it 24/7 , which wouldn't be practical of course.
