NCAA Football 2014

[Alidar Jarok]

Well, part of the reason they're in negotiations is to stave off a lawsuit challenging whether they had jurisdiction to impose the sanctions in the first place. The assumption is that the only thing left will be the fine levied against the school (which will be redirected to making the funds dedicated towards child protection, probably in the state of Pennsylvania). Once that happens, everyone with an interest in suing will stop.

 

[1001001]

Reports are that Penn State and the NCAA are in talks (some say it's a done deal, others say it's still being negotiated) to restore Joe Paterno's vacated wins.

Whenever you can restore honors to make fans of a dead child rape enabler happier, I guess that’s something you've gotta do. Or something. I mean, the NCAA is Literally The Worst, but holy shit.

Right, but USC forfeits a national championship, a Heisman trophy, and scholarships and bowl eiligibility for years because Reggie Bush's parents took money from an agent.

That seems fair and proportional.

The NCAA can go fuck right off.

 

[Neroon]

Add Auburn and Cam Newton to that list.

 

[Jedi_Master]

Reports are that Penn State and the NCAA are in talks (some say it's a done deal, others say it's still being negotiated) to restore Joe Paterno's vacated wins.

Whenever you can restore honors to make fans of a dead child rape enabler happier, I guess that’s something you've gotta do. Or something. I mean, the NCAA is Literally The Worst, but holy shit.

Right, but USC forfeits a national championship, a Heisman trophy, and scholarships and bowl eiligibility for years because Reggie Bush's parents took money from an agent.

That seems fair and proportional.

The NCAA can go fuck right off.

The myth of the student athlete must be maintained at all times. If people ever get accustomed to the idea of players being openly compensated then the NCAA's financial model could collapse.

 

[B.J.]

It's frustrating how wildly inconsistent the NCAA is with their reactions to infractions. The only consistency is how inconsistent it seems all sports entities are (NFL, MLB, etc.).

 

[Yanks]

Reports are that Penn State and the NCAA are in talks (some say it's a done deal, others say it's still being negotiated) to restore Joe Paterno's vacated wins.

Whenever you can restore honors to make fans of a dead child rape enabler happier, I guess that’s something you've gotta do. Or something. I mean, the NCAA is Literally The Worst, but holy shit.

This ignorant post just illustrates how much you don't know about this whole thing Timby.

Well, part of the reason they're in negotiations is to stave off a lawsuit challenging whether they had jurisdiction to impose the sanctions in the first place. The assumption is that the only thing left will be the fine levied against the school (which will be redirected to making the funds dedicated towards child protection, probably in the state of Pennsylvania). Once that happens, everyone with an interest in suing will stop.

Exactly. Not one NCAA rule was broken. This was a criminal matter not a NCAA one.

Reports are that Penn State and the NCAA are in talks (some say it's a done deal, others say it's still being negotiated) to restore Joe Paterno's vacated wins.

Whenever you can restore honors to make fans of a dead child rape enabler happier, I guess that’s something you've gotta do. Or something. I mean, the NCAA is Literally The Worst, but holy shit.

Right, but USC forfeits a national championship, a Heisman trophy, and scholarships and bowl eiligibility for years because Reggie Bush's parents took money from an agent.

That seems fair and proportional.

The NCAA can go fuck right off.

While I'm not a fan of the NCAA and it's rules, from what I understand, parents taking "incentive" is a NCAA rule violation.

I'm with you with the whole "NCAA fuck off thing".

 

[Timby]

Reports are that Penn State and the NCAA are in talks (some say it's a done deal, others say it's still being negotiated) to restore Joe Paterno's vacated wins.

Whenever you can restore honors to make fans of a dead child rape enabler happier, I guess that’s something you've gotta do. Or something. I mean, the NCAA is Literally The Worst, but holy shit.

This ignorant post just illustrates how much you don't know about this whole thing Timby.

There's nothing ignorant about detesting a school that systematically and institutionally protected a child rapist for years.

The NCAA is a terrible, corrupt, loathsome organization. But Paterno was a terrible, corrupt, loathsome human being and I will not apologize for saying that about someone who covered up child rape. I don't give a shit how many games he won as a coach.

 

[Yanks]

Reports are that Penn State and the NCAA are in talks (some say it's a done deal, others say it's still being negotiated) to restore Joe Paterno's vacated wins.

Whenever you can restore honors to make fans of a dead child rape enabler happier, I guess that’s something you've gotta do. Or something. I mean, the NCAA is Literally The Worst, but holy shit.

This ignorant post just illustrates how much you don't know about this whole thing Timby.

There's nothing ignorant about detesting a school that systematically and institutionally protected a child rapist for years.

The NCAA is a terrible, corrupt, loathsome organization. But Paterno was a terrible, corrupt, loathsome human being and I will not apologize for saying that about someone who covered up child rape.

Covered up? The football program of the football staff did what? What NCAA rule was broken?

Did you read the Freeh report?

Jerry Sandusky should have been publically stoned.

 

[Timby]

This ignorant post just illustrates how much you don't know about this whole thing Timby.

There's nothing ignorant about detesting a school that systematically and institutionally protected a child rapist for years.

The NCAA is a terrible, corrupt, loathsome organization. But Paterno was a terrible, corrupt, loathsome human being and I will not apologize for saying that about someone who covered up child rape.

Covered up? The football program of the football staff did what? What NCAA rule was broken?

Did you read the Freeh report?

The report that said Paterno, Spanier and Curley were covering up child rape and protecting Sandusky since 1998 because football uber alles? Yes, I read it, cover to cover.

 

[Yanks]

There's nothing ignorant about detesting a school that systematically and institutionally protected a child rapist for years.

The NCAA is a terrible, corrupt, loathsome organization. But Paterno was a terrible, corrupt, loathsome human being and I will not apologize for saying that about someone who covered up child rape.

Covered up? The football program of the football staff did what? What NCAA rule was broken?

Did you read the Freeh report?

The report that said Paterno, Spanier and Curley were covering up child rape and protecting Sandusky since 1998 because football uber alles? Yes, I read it, cover to cover.

Then you know how they came to those "conclusions" was bullshit.

Joe Pa didn't cover anything up. He followed the law.

 

[Timby]

Covered up? The football program of the football staff did what? What NCAA rule was broken?

Did you read the Freeh report?

The report that said Paterno, Spanier and Curley were covering up child rape and protecting Sandusky since 1998 because football uber alles? Yes, I read it, cover to cover.

Then you know how they came to those "conclusions" was bullshit.

Joe Pa didn't cover anything up. He followed the law.

So, upon being told multiple times that Sandusky had been molesting kids (something Paterno admitted to the grand jury), by doing nothing to remove Sandusky from the football program Paterno did nothing wrong.

News flash: Just because he did the bare minimum required of him by law does not excuse Paterno as a miserable failure of a human being who didn't want anything to harm his precious football program.

I suppose that by just transferring priests who diddled kids to different parishes, the Catholic Church did nothing wrong, either.

Edit: I'd like to know exactly what about Freeh's report was bullshit, also. Cite specifics.

 

[1001001]

Reports are that Penn State and the NCAA are in talks (some say it's a done deal, others say it's still being negotiated) to restore Joe Paterno's vacated wins.

Whenever you can restore honors to make fans of a dead child rape enabler happier, I guess that’s something you've gotta do. Or something. I mean, the NCAA is Literally The Worst, but holy shit.

This ignorant post just illustrates how much you don't know about this whole thing Timby.

Well, part of the reason they're in negotiations is to stave off a lawsuit challenging whether they had jurisdiction to impose the sanctions in the first place. The assumption is that the only thing left will be the fine levied against the school (which will be redirected to making the funds dedicated towards child protection, probably in the state of Pennsylvania). Once that happens, everyone with an interest in suing will stop.

Exactly. Not one NCAA rule was broken. This was a criminal matter not a NCAA one.

Reports are that Penn State and the NCAA are in talks (some say it's a done deal, others say it's still being negotiated) to restore Joe Paterno's vacated wins.

Whenever you can restore honors to make fans of a dead child rape enabler happier, I guess that’s something you've gotta do. Or something. I mean, the NCAA is Literally The Worst, but holy shit.

Right, but USC forfeits a national championship, a Heisman trophy, and scholarships and bowl eiligibility for years because Reggie Bush's parents took money from an agent.

That seems fair and proportional.

The NCAA can go fuck right off.

While I'm not a fan of the NCAA and it's rules, from what I understand, parents taking "incentive" is a NCAA rule violation.

I want to make sure I'm understanding you...Yes of course taking money from an agent is an NCAA violation. USC should have been sanctioned, but I think the punishment did not fit the crime (no point shaving, no victims, etc.).

To hear that PSU might be getting their wins back, after already getting their bowl eligibility back, after years of covered-up raping of children seems perverse and absurd. Are you making an argument that the disparity between the two events is justified because child molestation is not an NCAA violation?? Because that's how it reads, but I know that can't be right..

 

[Timby]

To hear that PSU might be getting their wins back, after already getting their bowl eligibility back, after years of covered-up raping of children seems perverse and absurd. Are you making an argument that the disparity between the two events is justified because child molestation is not an NCAA violation?? Because that's how it reads, but I know that can't be right..

Yanks is apparently unaware of the concept of malum in se.

 

[Starbreaker]

The ghost of Joe Paterno can go fuck itself. Everybody should have some human decency and be able to realize that keeping our kids safe is more important than whether or not Penn State beat Iowa State in 1998.

 

[Kronos]

The NCAA sucks for folding like this, also for not giving them the death penalty to start with, but I still think the big10 is guilty for not ejecting them from the conference.

 

[Starbreaker]

Those who were involved were punished that we know of. There's no need to punish the kids who knew nothing of this and simply wanted to play football at PSU.

 

[1001001]

Those who were involved were punished that we know of. There's no need to punish the kids who knew nothing of this and simply wanted to play football at PSU.

Just like the kids at USC, right?

Except Reggie Bush and Pete Carroll went and made millions in the NFL while kids who were in junior high school at the time had to pay the price.

The institutional nature and scope of PSU's problems lead to a more serious consequence, IMHO.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

On the other hand, one was actually related to affecting the balance of competition. That's why the debate here (the reason the sanctions might be changed) is a debate about NCAA jurisdiction. Difficulty dealing with sexual abuse is a problem colleges have. It's not limited to sports programs. That's why there were criminal investigations about whether Penn State faculty broke any laws (obviously Sandusky did, I'm talking about others).

 

[1001001]

I hear what you're saying, and I understand there is a technical, jurisdiction argument to be made. Still, in the court of morality (for lack of a better term) comparing the USC situation and the PSU situation is not even close. So PSU gets off on a technicality? It just seems so absurd to me, but maybe that's a fan's biased reaction.

Maybe it's the entire NCAA process, the randomness and lack of proportionality. Looking at it from the other direction: because NCAA violations are not criminal violations it allowed the actual perpetrators of the USC violations to get off without any consequence whatsoever. The people who paid the price (a very heavy one compared to, say, Ohio State) had absolutely nothing to do with what happened either.

So when the argument is made that "these poor PSU players had nothing to do with the crimes" I understand, but what their program did seems light-years beyond what USC's did. Is there sympathy for the USC players?

Whether it comes from the NCAA or criminal or civil courts, the ultimate resolution seems way out of whack to me. In the end I guess it's a systemic problem with the whole NCAA concept...

 

[Yanks]

To hear that PSU might be getting their wins back, after already getting their bowl eligibility back, after years of covered-up raping of children seems perverse and absurd. Are you making an argument that the disparity between the two events is justified because child molestation is not an NCAA violation?? Because that's how it reads, but I know that can't be right..

Yanks is apparently unaware of the concept of malum in se.

If you are referring to Sandusky, it would apply.

"The Freeh report is a profound failure," Sollers said. "It isn't a little wrong on the minor issues. It is totally wrong on the most critical issues. That the Board and the NCAA relied on this report, without appropriate review or analysis, is a miscarriage of justice."

The truth about the Freeh report.
http://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...paterno-family-freeh-report-outside-the-lines

The conspiracy claim made by the Freeh report based on a string of three emails falls apart under scrutiny. Because of a technology switch in 2004, most of the Penn State emails for the time in question are not accessible. Moreover, there are no emails authored by Joe Paterno and none that he received. In fact, the emails referenced by the Freeh report show that Joe Paterno knew few details about Sandusky, that he acted in good faith and that he did what he thought was right based on what he knew at the time.
The validity and thoroughness of the Freeh report was oversold to the public, leading to the report being accepted in full and without review by The Board of Trustees and the NCAA.

Why do you think the NCAA is now caving and restoring all the sanctions? Because it was just in it's actions? Because the "facts" it relied on were true?

Wins restored. They never should have been "taken away" to begin with.
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2015/1/16/7557893/joe-paterno-penn-state-wins-ncaa-restored

The press participated in and enabled this knee jerk reaction. They are every bit as responsible as the NCAA.