Chapel in the movies

[Daddy Todd]

Chapel has one line in TMP that cracks me up whenever I rewatch the film. When they're trying to awaken the memories of the real Lt. Ilia in the V'Ger probe, Chapel pulls out Ilia's Deltan headband and says, "Lt. Ilia once told me she wore this."

Not that she's seen Ilia wear it. No, that would make too much sense. Just that Ilia told Chapel that she wore the headband. Considering that Chapel most likely met Ilia only a few hours before she was absorbed by V'Ger (as that seemed to be the case with everyone onboard except for Decker), that must've been one scintillating conversation.

"Nice to meet you, Dr. Chapel. Say, here's a headband that I wore this one time. I'm not going to put it on right now, but I just wanted you to know that I wore it at one point in time."
"That's nice, dear. Now, if you'll excuse me, I've got to go and do literally anything else."

No, it was between Ilia stopping Chekov's pain and Chapel squirting Bactine on Chekov's owie, because the film gives the impression that was the moment the two met, and Ilia was zapped only minutes later Maybe there's a deleted scene of the exchange in the vaults that Wise chose not to include in DE...

 

[Therin of Andor]

No, it was between Ilia stopping Chekov's pain and Chapel squirting Bactine on Chekov's owie, because the film gives the impression that was the moment the two met

The scene shows Chapel seeing Deltan pheromones working their magic for the first time.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

Well, the only reason people "assume" that Ilia was one of the "final crew replacements" that the Enterprise was waiting in dock for, as Kirk put it, is because that's what the movie implies, or really outright tells us, with Ilia's entrance and then with her evidently unexpected reuniting with Decker. It's Chapel's line about the headpiece that is the anomaly.

I agree with this.

And the Chapel/Sarek scene that was cut from the film did make it in to Mike W. Barr's script for the comic book adaptation of Star Trek IV for DC Comics.

 

[Maab]

And the Chapel/Sarek scene that was cut from the film did make it in to Mike W. Barr's script for the comic book adaptation of Star Trek IV for DC Comics.

Briefly.

Maab

 

[TheAlmanac]

Wow! Nice one Maab. Can't say I've ever seen that image before. I'd be genuinely intrigued to see such a deleted scene, if it still exists.....

It was first posted on The Official Deleted/Alternate Material Thread and it comes from this nice collection of deleted scenes pictures by user Pineapples101. Unfortunately he does not remember exactly where he first found the picture, probably here on TrekBBS, but I couldn't find the original poster.

Maab

That collection includes a much clearer image of the scene in question:

I feel bad for Chapel and Rand. Their exclusion (for whatever reasons) from Star Trek II after appearing in TMP led to them not being thought of as part of the "core" TOS cast to the public at large, despite the aforementioned later appearances.

 

[Maurice]

Well, the only reason people "assume" that Ilia was one of the "final crew replacements" that the Enterprise was waiting in dock for, as Kirk put it, is because that's what the movie implies, or really outright tells us, with Ilia's entrance and then with her evidently unexpected reuniting with Decker. It's Chapel's line about the headpiece that is the anomaly.

Yep. Ilia was one of the "final crew replacements". First, Decker was clearly surprised by her arrival, and she to his presence, which would unlikely to be the case if she's been assigned to the ship previously. Plus...

UHURA
Transporter Personnel reports
the navigator Lt. Ilia. She's
already on board and en route
to the bridge, sir.
She's Deltan, Captain.
​

...so she just came aboard moments before the "last six crew members were ready to beam up.

The scene shows Chapel seeing Deltan pheromones working their magic for the first time.

No, not pheremones.

173A

...The Deltan woman takes Chekov's upper arm in both her
hands, kneading her fingers deep into nerve centers --
Chekov's pain begins to quickly recede and he is almost
startled by the sudden relief. Doctor Chapel, now
spraying plasti-skin on the burned hand and wrist,
gives Ilia a surprised, approving look and a flicker
of female friendship passes between the Deltan and
Earth woman. (setting up a later story point)

That very vague underlined bit could mean that they are already friends (previous assignment?) but if so it's an ineffective way to make the point.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

I feel bad for Chapel and Rand. Their exclusion (for whatever reasons) from Star Trek II after appearing in TMP led to them not being thought of as part of the "core" TOS cast to the public at large, despite the aforementioned later appearances.

I'd say that the small number of episodes that they'd each appeared in had already done that job well before the movies. Rand was completely gone after the first 13 episodes, and Chapel only appeared sporadically at best. And neither ever got much in the way of character development beyond having unrequited crushes on the Captain or the First Officer.

I'd say that the reason neither one was included in TWOK was because neither one was necessary to the plot. Honestly, you could edit them both out of TMP without affecting the movie too much. I can't say that I've ever watched a TOS episode without them & thought, "Gee, I sure miss Chapel and/or Rand."

 

[Maurice]

By that standard you could have left out Uhura and Sulu and Scotty as well in TWOK. They each had a handful of lines that any other officer could have delivered.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

By that standard you could have left out Uhura and Sulu and Scotty as well in TWOK. They each had a handful of lines that any other officer could have delivered.

Yeah, but those characters at least had the benefit of appearing regularly or semi-regularly on all three seasons of TOS. The weight of history was on their side. And they were also all better-developed than Rand & Chapel (Did those two have any hobbies outside of pining away for unattainable men?).

 

[EnriqueH]

It was nice to have Rand back more prominently in TUC.

I wish Chapel had had a more extensive cameo in one of the post-TMP movies. In IV, it sounded kinda cool that she was mobilizing emergency crews or something to that effect, but I wish we'd seen more than just a 1-2 second cameo.

By the way, I *always* have trouble finding Rand in IV.

Does someone have her appearance(s) timed in IV so I can check on the DVD/BR? The closest I've come to spotting her is in the official IV movie magazine.

 

[Lance]

It was nice to have Rand back more prominently in TUC.

I wish Chapel had had a more extensive cameo in one of the post-TMP movies. In IV, it sounded kinda cool that she was mobilizing emergency crews or something to that effect, but I wish we'd seen more than just a 1-2 second cameo.

By the way, I *always* have trouble finding Rand in IV.

Does someone have her appearance(s) timed in IV so I can check on the DVD/BR? The closest I've come to spotting her is in the official IV movie magazine.

^ I don't know about earlier in the movie, but Rand is definitely very visible, sitting beside Chapel, in the hearing scene at the end (both characters can also be seen running out to the main floor to congratulate the Enterprise crew after the "sentence" gets handed down, but neither character is given dialogue).

(On an unrelated note, everytime I read this thread title I keep wanting to break out into song: "Chapel in the movies, and she's, gonna get maaarried". )

 

[Therin of Andor]

Does someone have her appearance(s) timed in IV so I can check on the DVD/BR? The closest I've come to spotting her is in the official IV movie magazine.

Well, you've seen her ST IV hairstyle and jumpsuit. She's quite prominent in the two disaster scenes. You can also hear her distinctive voice delivering her lines.

And she's sitting with Gillian and Chapel in the trial scene at the end.

 

[Lance]

As I said above, she actually runs out onto the main floor alongside Chapel and Gillian after the sentence gets passed.

 

[Therin of Andor]

As I said above, she actually runs out onto the main floor alongside Chapel and Gillian after the sentence gets passed.

And was a very animated cheerer!

 

[Avro Arrow]

By the way, I *always* have trouble finding Rand in IV.

Does someone have her appearance(s) timed in IV so I can check on the DVD/BR? The closest I've come to spotting her is in the official IV movie magazine.

I don't know the time index, but in addition to her already-mentioned appearance at the trial, she also had at least one closeup at Starfleet Command earlier in the movie. This image is from the scene at Starfleet Command right after Kirk, Spock & McCoy discuss going back in time to retrieve some whales...

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tvhhd/tvhhd0446.jpg

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Yeah, in TVH, Chapel's and Rand's big speaking cameos are back to back. I think of it as "the cameo moment."

 

[Therin of Andor]

Yeah, in TVH, Chapel's and Rand's big speaking cameos are back to back. I think of it as "the cameo moment."

And they rehearsed their lines together at the Roddenberry mansion (GLW told me!), even though the lines ended up on cue cards for filming.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

By that standard you could have left out Uhura and Sulu and Scotty as well in TWOK. They each had a handful of lines that any other officer could have delivered.

Yeah, but those characters at least had the benefit of appearing regularly or semi-regularly on all three seasons of TOS. The weight of history was on their side.

Add to that, Uhura and Sulu were TOS' nod to racial diversity--the diversity used by innumerable writers assessing the "innovation" or breakthroughs from TOS--which was hammered since the dawn of the ST convention explosion. They had a "locked in" status that made them irreplaceable to ST, so it would have been glaring to leave them out--the opposite of the way Rand & Chapel could be without any significant fan protest.

 

[Melakon]

(On an unrelated note, everytime I read this thread title I keep wanting to break out into song: "Chapel in the movies, and she's, gonna get maaarried". )

On a related unrelated note, the thread title reminds me of Dean Martin's recording of "In the Chapel in the Moonlight". This is because one time during the 70s at a roadside restaurant, one of the drunk locals loaded it into the jukebox 5 times in a row, to the dismay of his friends.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

Uhura and Sulu were TOS' nod to racial diversity--the diversity used by innumerable writers assessing the "innovation" or breakthroughs from TOS--which was hammered since the dawn of the ST convention explosion. They had a "locked in" status that made them irreplaceable to ST, so it would have been glaring to leave them out--the opposite of the way Rand & Chapel could be without any significant fan protest.

Excellent point -- It wouldn't look too good if the two big representations of racial diversity suddenly weren't there anymore. Especially when the new characters that the first couple of movies introduced (Decker, Ilia, Carol Marcus, David Marcus & Saavik) were played mostly by white actors (Except for Persis Khambatta, of course, whose ethnicity didn't really factor into her character).