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Do you think they'll keep making Abramsverse movies after #3?

There will be more films for the simple reason that Paramount doesn't have that many tentpole franchises...They are not easy to come by.

Another factor that makes future Abramsverse films likely is that "Into Darkness" really boosted the foreign box office. If that trend continues there is little doubt there will be more films in this series.
 
There will be more films for the simple reason that Paramount doesn't have that many tentpole franchises...They are not easy to come by.

Another factor that makes future Abramsverse films likely is that "Into Darkness" really boosted the foreign box office. If that trend continues there is little doubt there will be more films in this series.

#3 Paramount knows that Trek fans will still pay to see the movie, then buy it on Blu-Ray (with minimal to no special features) and then buy it again on Blu-Ray a year later, even if they hate the film.
 
In answer to the thread title, I'd say the likelihood of the current film series continuing beyond the next installment is largely dependent on two things: The success or failure of #3, and the availability of key members of the cast.

By most accounts I've heard, it sounds like Paramount has significantly upped their expectations for the next film. If it fails to meet those expectations, I can well imagine the whole franchise might be sent back to the shop for retooling, a.k.a. the end of the "Abramsverse." New creative team, new cast, and probably a full reboot. Alternatively, they may just end it for the foreseeable future, but I think the former is more likely.

If it does meet or exceed expectations then I’m sure they’ll want it to continue, but that’s when cast availability becomes a factor. As far as I know, all of the key actors were contracted for three films. Some of them like Pine and Saldana are in fairly high demand for other roles and will surely be expensive to bring back. Others may simply want to move on. I don’t think any of them, including Pine and Quinto, are totally irreplaceable in this day and age, but at some point it’s either not worth another film to do so, or the question of whether or not it’s the same “universe” becomes academic.

To address a totally separate topic, the debate over whether or not the Prime universe can or should be considered OUR universe as opposed to the Abramsverse or other alternate timelines, I have my own somewhat radical take on that. As a purely intellectual exercise, my own personal theory is that the Abramsverse IS our universe.

Think about it. What evidence is there in the Abramsverse that the Eugenics Wars happened in the 1990s, or at all? Obviously Khan still existed, was a product of genetic engineering, escaped Earth along with his fellow supermen and so forth, but he bears no resemblance to the Khan we all know from the Prime timeline, and he should if the change didn’t happen until two and half centuries after he set sail on the Botany Bay. I confess I haven’t rewatched STiD enough times to remember every detail but I don’t think the Eugenics Wars or any other specifics about Khan’s origins were ever mentioned.

What if he literally wasn’t the same person? What if the true point of divergence in the timeline was sometime prior to the 1990s and the Eugenics Wars were either long delayed or totally averted as a result? I could really go into detail and propose a scenario where Gary Seven, thanks to his encounter with future Kirk and Spock from the Prime universe, went on to influence world events so dramatically that he actually altered the foundations of the Prime timeline by preventing the Eugenics Wars and the 21st century Third World War from ever happening. In effect, he created OUR universe, which eventually becomes the Abramsverse.

Khan, or a version of Khan, still came along at a later date, perhaps even caused some significant trouble along the lines of the original Eugenics Wars before being driven off the planet. But instead of being almost totally forgotten in the chaos of the Prime universe’s 20th and 21st century world conflicts, enough records still existed for Admiral Marcus to actively track him down instead of waiting for the Enterprise or some other ship to just stumble across him.

Many people have noted how different and much more advanced the technology appears in the Abramsverse, which could be explained by civilization not having bombed itself into near-oblivion a couple of centuries earlier and having to reclaim all of that lost progress. Building a starship on the ground in Iowa at twice the original size is suddenly not so far-fetched, to say nothing of things like ultra-fast warp speeds and interstellar beaming. Two or three hundred years worth of uninterrupted scientific progress could cover a multitude of continuity issues going much further back than the day of Kirk’s birth.

All of which is not to say that the Abramsverse is in any way conclusively OUR universe (as if any such conflation of fiction and reality were possible), but it at least has the advantage of not having overtly contradicted our own history with any on-screen dialogue, references or exposition that I’m aware of.

And lest anyone start hyperventilating over the prospect of the Abramsverse being the “real” Star Trek, or reading too much into my own preferences for one version of Trek over another, as I said, it’s merely an intellectual exercise. ;)
 
I was actually surprised while watching STID that they didn't take the opprtunity to have Khan's originate in the 21st century, since they had the opportunity and it really would make more sense.
 
In answer to the thread title, I'd say the likelihood of the current film series continuing beyond the next installment is largely dependent on two things: The success or failure of #3, and the availability of key members of the cast.

By most accounts I've heard, it sounds like Paramount has significantly upped their expectations for the next film. If it fails to meet those expectations, I can well imagine the whole franchise might be sent back to the shop for retooling, a.k.a. the end of the "Abramsverse." New creative team, new cast, and probably a full reboot. Alternatively, they may just end it for the foreseeable future, but I think the former is more likely.

If it does meet or exceed expectations then I’m sure they’ll want it to continue, but that’s when cast availability becomes a factor. As far as I know, all of the key actors were contracted for three films. Some of them like Pine and Saldana are in fairly high demand for other roles and will surely be expensive to bring back. Others may simply want to move on. I don’t think any of them, including Pine and Quinto, are totally irreplaceable in this day and age, but at some point it’s either not worth another film to do so, or the question of whether or not it’s the same “universe” becomes academic.

To address a totally separate topic, the debate over whether or not the Prime universe can or should be considered OUR universe as opposed to the Abramsverse or other alternate timelines, I have my own somewhat radical take on that. As a purely intellectual exercise, my own personal theory is that the Abramsverse IS our universe.

Think about it. What evidence is there in the Abramsverse that the Eugenics Wars happened in the 1990s, or at all? Obviously Khan still existed, was a product of genetic engineering, escaped Earth along with his fellow supermen and so forth, but he bears no resemblance to the Khan we all know from the Prime timeline, and he should if the change didn’t happen until two and half centuries after he set sail on the Botany Bay. I confess I haven’t rewatched STiD enough times to remember every detail but I don’t think the Eugenics Wars or any other specifics about Khan’s origins were ever mentioned.

What if he literally wasn’t the same person? What if the true point of divergence in the timeline was sometime prior to the 1990s and the Eugenics Wars were either long delayed or totally averted as a result? I could really go into detail and propose a scenario where Gary Seven, thanks to his encounter with future Kirk and Spock from the Prime universe, went on to influence world events so dramatically that he actually altered the foundations of the Prime timeline by preventing the Eugenics Wars and the 21st century Third World War from ever happening. In effect, he created OUR universe, which eventually becomes the Abramsverse.

Khan, or a version of Khan, still came along at a later date, perhaps even caused some significant trouble along the lines of the original Eugenics Wars before being driven off the planet. But instead of being almost totally forgotten in the chaos of the Prime universe’s 20th and 21st century world conflicts, enough records still existed for Admiral Marcus to actively track him down instead of waiting for the Enterprise or some other ship to just stumble across him.

Many people have noted how different and much more advanced the technology appears in the Abramsverse, which could be explained by civilization not having bombed itself into near-oblivion a couple of centuries earlier and having to reclaim all of that lost progress. Building a starship on the ground in Iowa at twice the original size is suddenly not so far-fetched, to say nothing of things like ultra-fast warp speeds and interstellar beaming. Two or three hundred years worth of uninterrupted scientific progress could cover a multitude of continuity issues going much further back than the day of Kirk’s birth.

All of which is not to say that the Abramsverse is in any way conclusively OUR universe (as if any such conflation of fiction and reality were possible), but it at least has the advantage of not having overtly contradicted our own history with any on-screen dialogue, references or exposition that I’m aware of.

And lest anyone start hyperventilating over the prospect of the Abramsverse being the “real” Star Trek, or reading too much into my own preferences for one version of Trek over another, as I said, it’s merely an intellectual exercise. ;)

Ooh, I like that idea about our universe being the Abrams universe. It does make quite a bit of sense!

As for whether they'll make more? You're probably right there, too. Personally, as a fan of the Abrams films, I would love to see more. We don't have a TV series to flesh it out in any greater detail, so everything on screen gets to be a part of that universe, and I definitely want to see more.
 
Personally, I like Timby's idea that Nero is the nuTrek universe (and by extension, Abrams, Orci and Kurtzman)'s stand-in for all the die-hard fans and thus also the production's way of trolling all those die-hard fans who refuse to accept nuTrek. "James T. Kirk was a great man. But that was another life," "It's real! I saw it happen!" etc. which ultimately culminates in nuKirk trying to save Nero and his crew, but Nero refusing and destroying himself rather than co-exist with this new reality.
 
I've never walked out on a movie. I'd never permit myself to buy ticket for something I'd suspect might warrant it. This from someone who saw Spice Girls in theatres.

I walked out on The Two Jakes. That had to have been the worst movie I've ever seen. Luckily I was working at the movie theater at the time and didn't have to pay for it.
 
Personally, I like Timby's idea that Nero is the nuTrek universe (and by extension, Abrams, Orci and Kurtzman)'s stand-in for all the die-hard fans and thus also the production's way of trolling all those die-hard fans who refuse to accept nuTrek. "James T. Kirk was a great man. But that was another life," "It's real! I saw it happen!" etc. which ultimately culminates in nuKirk trying to save Nero and his crew, but Nero refusing and destroying himself rather than co-exist with this new reality.

Ha! I never thought of it that way, but it fits. :lol:
 
I walked out on The Two Jakes. That had to have been the worst movie I've ever seen. Luckily I was working at the movie theater at the time and didn't have to pay for it.
That's the sequel to Chinatown right? I've never seen it, but I've heard it was awful, which is such a shame since Chinatown is basically perfect.
 
In answer to the thread title, I'd say the likelihood of the current film series continuing beyond the next installment is largely dependent on two things: The success or failure of #3, and the availability of key members of the cast.

By most accounts I've heard, it sounds like Paramount has significantly upped their expectations for the next film. If it fails to meet those expectations, I can well imagine the whole franchise might be sent back to the shop for retooling, a.k.a. the end of the "Abramsverse." New creative team, new cast, and probably a full reboot. Alternatively, they may just end it for the foreseeable future, but I think the former is more likely.

Full reboot? Why risk losing fans? Just set it 200 years later. It's not a comic book universe.
 
Full reboot? Why risk losing fans? Just set it 200 years later. It's not a comic book universe.

If #3 fails to meet expectations, losing fans will be a moot point.

Merely shifting the time frame is not outside the realm of possibility, but what you suggest would actually be more drastic than a simple reboot and require not just an all new cast but all new characters as well. Effectively, it would be the Abramsverse version of TNG.

I think it's more likely they will stick with Kirk and Spock in the 23rd century but start over with everything else, if it comes to that. It's certainly a well-established Hollywood template for existing franchises these days.
 
In answer to the thread title, I'd say the likelihood of the current film series continuing beyond the next installment is largely dependent on two things: The success or failure of #3, and the availability of key members of the cast.

By most accounts I've heard, it sounds like Paramount has significantly upped their expectations for the next film. If it fails to meet those expectations, I can well imagine the whole franchise might be sent back to the shop for retooling, a.k.a. the end of the "Abramsverse." New creative team, new cast, and probably a full reboot. Alternatively, they may just end it for the foreseeable future, but I think the former is more likely.

Full reboot? Why risk losing fans? Just set it 200 years later. It's not a comic book universe.

It is the twenty-sixth century ...

``Well, no,'' the artist admitted, ``you're not the actual original James T Kirk. But we found you to be such an interesting personality that we just had to construct a new, identical persona, and once we began that, we found we had to create more and more of the people you --- the original you --- held dear, and then we had to create a starship as close as we could manage with our technology to the primitive --- pardon me --- vessel you somehow managed to fly.''

``But then ... what are we to do now?'' asked the New Captain Kirk.

The artist shrugged. ``Anything you want. You're a starship full of people, after all, and it's a big galaxy, and you certainly are able to find something you can do well.''
 
Full reboot? Why risk losing fans? Just set it 200 years later. It's not a comic book universe.


I think it's more likely they will stick with Kirk and Spock in the 23rd century but start over with everything else, if it comes to that. It's certainly a well-established Hollywood template for existing franchises these days.

Would it work considering the franchise has so much history? Besides Spiderman which franchises had seen such quick reboots on after the another?
 
There is more value in the existing characters than the setting.

I've said it before, but I won't be surprised if at some point a future reboot, which I'd assume would be Kirk/Spock-based (since they have the most value), starts adding "24th century" characters" into the mix. Switching the sexes of the principal characters (like nuBSG or Elementary) is another way to add something new to the old.
 
I was actually surprised while watching STID that they didn't take the opprtunity to have Khan's originate in the 21st century, since they had the opportunity and it really would make more sense.
I expected it, but was then thrilled when they just unashamedly used "300 years old" references. Trek's world (particularly TOS) isn't ours, and it was refreshing to see TPTB admit it, rather than vaguely pussyfoot around the subject (SEE: "Future's End" etc.)
Personally, I like Timby's idea that Nero is the nuTrek universe (and by extension, Abrams, Orci and Kurtzman)'s stand-in for all the die-hard fans and thus also the production's way of trolling all those die-hard fans who refuse to accept nuTrek. "James T. Kirk was a great man. But that was another life," "It's real! I saw it happen!" etc. which ultimately culminates in nuKirk trying to save Nero and his crew, but Nero refusing and destroying himself rather than co-exist with this new reality.
:lol:I love it!
In answer to the thread title, I'd say the likelihood of the current film series continuing beyond the next installment is largely dependent on two things: The success or failure of #3, and the availability of key members of the cast.

By most accounts I've heard, it sounds like Paramount has significantly upped their expectations for the next film. If it fails to meet those expectations, I can well imagine the whole franchise might be sent back to the shop for retooling, a.k.a. the end of the "Abramsverse." New creative team, new cast, and probably a full reboot. Alternatively, they may just end it for the foreseeable future, but I think the former is more likely.

Full reboot? Why risk losing fans? Just set it 200 years later. It's not a comic book universe.
By the time we left Trek-prime, they had Godmode armour, time travel machines which worked, transporters the size of a rank pin, a formula to beam anywhere in the galaxy... add-in the cure-all transporter and humans were virtually tech-assisted Q. While I'd love a series exploring the first generation of humans to embrace all that, it wouldn't be Star Trek as we know it.

(I'd also argue that Trek very much is a comic book universe, thanks to it's magic tech, but that's beside the point)
 
There is more value in the existing characters than the setting.

I've said it before, but I won't be surprised if at some point a future reboot, which I'd assume would be Kirk/Spock-based (since they have the most value), starts adding "24th century" characters" into the mix. Switching the sexes of the principal characters (like nuBSG or Elementary) is another way to add something new to the old.
Tht reboot would have to be real far in the future. Just because there is value to the characters it would be quite lame and it would recieve tons of negative press.
By the time we left Trek-prime, they had Godmode armour, time travel machines which worked, transporters the size of a rank pin, a formula to beam anywhere in the galaxy... add-in the cure-all transporter and humans were virtually tech-assisted Q. While I'd love a series exploring the first generation of humans to embrace all that, it wouldn't be Star Trek as we know it.

Why would they play it like that? TNG tech was not much different compared TOS tech. Just a few new technologies.
 
There is more value in the existing characters than the setting.

I've said it before, but I won't be surprised if at some point a future reboot, which I'd assume would be Kirk/Spock-based (since they have the most value), starts adding "24th century" characters" into the mix. Switching the sexes of the principal characters (like nuBSG or Elementary) is another way to add something new to the old.
Tht reboot would have to be real far in the future. Just because there is value to the characters it would be quite lame and it would recieve tons of negative press.
By the time we left Trek-prime, they had Godmode armour, time travel machines which worked, transporters the size of a rank pin, a formula to beam anywhere in the galaxy... add-in the cure-all transporter and humans were virtually tech-assisted Q. While I'd love a series exploring the first generation of humans to embrace all that, it wouldn't be Star Trek as we know it.

Why would they play it like that? TNG tech was not much different compared TOS tech. Just a few new technologies.

The difference between TOS tech and TNG tech is that TOS barely mentioned it. It was just space stuff from the future. TNG had to turn it into a tutorial on how the Matter/Antimatter Injection Assembly interfaced with the <insert technobabble here> and the ODN conduits that used a phased plasma interface.

In TOS, Scotty couldn't start up the engines without a 30 minute warmup. Made for great tension. In TNG, there were pages of dialogue to explain why, and everyone forgot what the hell was going on. Remember, in Generations, when Scotty started spouting all that technobabble? It didn't feel right, did it? Scotty never did that, because Scotty just acted. You knew Scotty had the score, and didn't need to drop a pageload of technological exposition we didn't need.

Plus, there was the magic technology of TNG, which got a little worse in DS9, and became all out ridiculous in VOY. There wasn't anything technology couldn't solve, and it became the plot device instead of character driven stories.

By the end, everyone could do everything. There was no drama left because don't worry, the subspace transducer modulation assembly will send a quantum subspace message to the anodyne receivers on Rigel VII, and that will use a modified soliton wave to deliver the buffer packet to Starfleet Headquarters, at which point they'll slingshot around the Sun using the tachyon inversion beam I designed while modifying the positronic relays in this communicator, and pick us up yesterday, before we had this conversation.
 
As far as I know, all of the key actors were contracted for three films. Some of them like Pine and Saldana are in fairly high demand for other roles and will surely be expensive to bring back. Others may simply want to move on.


Back in April 2013 while doing press for STID, Chris Pine implied he has 2 more, instead of one

What advice did William Shatner give you when taking over as Captain Kirk?
Not much, primarily because I don’t think he wanted me to feel the pressure to recreate Captain Kirk the way he did him. There’s no one in the world who could do that. Bill wanted me to put my own stamp on the role.


He made seven Star Trek feature movies. How many do you think you will make?
I’m committed to two more films at this point….not sure I should have said that (laughs).
Maybe other cast members already have deals for more than 3.
 
I've never walked out on a movie. I'd never permit myself to buy ticket for something I'd suspect might warrant it. This from someone who saw Spice Girls in theatres.

I walked out on The Two Jakes. That had to have been the worst movie I've ever seen. Luckily I was working at the movie theater at the time and didn't have to pay for it.

Damn, you actually walked off the job because of it??? :rommie:

But I agree, that movie was pretty bad. I don't recall finishing it or basically anything about the plot.
 
As far as I know, all of the key actors were contracted for three films. Some of them like Pine and Saldana are in fairly high demand for other roles and will surely be expensive to bring back. Others may simply want to move on.


Back in April 2013 while doing press for STID, Chris Pine implied he has 2 more, instead of one

What advice did William Shatner give you when taking over as Captain Kirk?
Not much, primarily because I don’t think he wanted me to feel the pressure to recreate Captain Kirk the way he did him. There’s no one in the world who could do that. Bill wanted me to put my own stamp on the role.


He made seven Star Trek feature movies. How many do you think you will make?
I’m committed to two more films at this point….not sure I should have said that (laughs).
Maybe other cast members already have deals for more than 3.

Yes, thank you! I was going to post that earlier, but I wasn't sure that it actually existed. :lol:
 
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