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Dukat - the Real Star of DS9???

10, 000 times worse, huh? I knew that Hitler caused the death of approximately 60 million people in only a few years, I never realized that Stalin had killed 600 billion people![/QUOTE]
I don't think Hitler killed 6 million people but he was responsible for the deaths of a lot more, even the people who followed him.

Stalin was worse because he got away with many more atrocities and the Soviet Union were not over thrown. Communism expanded during his reign.[/QUOTE]


Whether Stalin was worse than Hitler is debatable, highly debatable even, but to say that he was 10 000 worse is insane and what's more insulting to the people that suffered from WWII, including I should add, some of my ancestors.


I was willing to end this on a note of incredulity but your insistence forces me to be more explicit, so much for subtlety.
 
I'll say one thing about Star Trek...they REALLY know how to cast Cardassians! Seriously. I defy you to name one mis-cast Cardassian...I swear you can't. :)
 
10, 000 times worse, huh? I knew that Hitler caused the death of approximately 60 million people in only a few years, I never realized that Stalin had killed 600 billion people!
I don't think Hitler killed 6 million people but he was responsible for the deaths of a lot more, even the people who followed him.

Stalin was worse because he got away with many more atrocities and the Soviet Union were not over thrown. Communism expanded during his reign.[/QUOTE]


Whether Stalin was worse than Hitler is debatable, highly debatable even, but to say that he was 10 000 worse is insane and what's more insulting to the people that suffered from WWII, including I should add, some of my ancestors.


I was willing to end this on a note of incredulity but your insistence forces me to be more explicit, so much for subtlety.[/QUOTE]

Debatable for sure and everyone of our ancestors suffered from some monster from a different region in the world. And there's nothing I've mentioned was to insult a portion of people. If you don't know it, a lot of people suffered in the Soviet Union and my ancestors suffered it and were NOT over thrown by other forces. My view of my ancestors have value no matter what you think. 10,000 times is my point of view and of course is an exaggeration. Dukat doesn't remind me of Hitler, Stalin does.
 
I'll say one thing about Star Trek...they REALLY know how to cast Cardassians! Seriously. I defy you to name one mis-cast Cardassian...I swear you can't. :)

I am not really sure what you mean by that. Star trek invented the cardassians, no other franchise has them. Besides, how could you miscast a cardassian, they are as diverse as humans or anybody else, the proportions are seemingly different than in humans though, but even that is debatable.

As for characterisation and stereotypes, Rom is a Ferengi, yet at some point in the show, we hear him quote Karl Marx!!! If there is one thing that we wouldn't have expected a Ferengi to do!
 
Rom, another under-rated character...
The thing is that they changed him mid third season. before that he was a complete moron, as Odo said, he couldn't fix a straw if it was bent. Yet mid season 3 he became a mechanical Genius. Go figure!
 
Rom, another under-rated character...
The thing is that they changed him mid third season. before that he was a complete moron, as Odo said, he couldn't fix a straw if it was bent. Yet mid season 3 he became a mechanical Genius. Go figure!

I liked old Rom and newer Rom. He just stopped listening to Quark and came into his own.

A caterpillar changing to a butterfly is less spectacular than the changes Rom underwent. He went from being a pathetic moron who even tried to murder his brother once to a union leader (reading communist literature, "workers of the world...") and finally the grand Nagus that is going to change Fereginar into a social twin of Earth itself. That's quite a metamorphosis!
 
Rom was also a typical Ferengi chauvinist jerk in the first few episodes. It seems that the writers just wanted a new spin on the character, I can't recall anything in the story that gives a reason for his change in personality. I feel like something must have been written and scrapped, I can't imagine a professional writer being OK with just turning a character around 180 degrees without explanation. Not even a bump on the head or nuffin'.
 
Rom was also a typical Ferengi chauvinist jerk in the first few episodes. It seems that the writers just wanted a new spin on the character, I can't recall anything in the story that gives a reason for his change in personality. I feel like something must have been written and scrapped, I can't imagine a professional writer being OK with just turning a character around 180 degrees without explanation. Not even a bump on the head or nuffin'.
I hate to say that but maybe Leeta is the one that changed him. He already had his eye on her when he organized the strike. And there's nothing like a woman to change a man.
 
^ It's as viable an explanation as any, we do see little bits of the 'old Rom' come through in his relationship with Leeta. The WP&P drama and trying to pick out a wedding outfit come to mind.
 
I thought it was Quark's grossly unequal distribution of latinum at payday. "One for you, seven for me..." He realized he was never going to be anything but a failure as a Ferengi businessman, and instead tried to be good at fixing things.
 
I thought it was Quark's grossly unequal distribution of latinum at payday. "One for you, seven for me..." He realized he was never going to be anything but a failure as a Ferengi businessman, and instead tried to be good at fixing things.
But only after his failed attempt at killing his brother.
 
I think there is NO ONE star, that rules them all.
Kind of what makes alot of great series great.
I like Alamo's acting alot, but i find it sad, he is only a villain in the end of the series.
Cisco calls him pure evil in 1 of the later episodes (season 6 or something), a very weird assessment that simply contradicts what we saw of Dukat in the earlier episodes and it was always, what made him interesting.
Not his diabolical mind, but his diabolical mind combines with alot of shreds of decency as well.
 
I think there is NO ONE star, that rules them all.
Kind of what makes alot of great series great.
I like Alamo's acting alot, but i find it sad, he is only a villain in the end of the series.
Cisco calls him pure evil in 1 of the later episodes (season 6 or something), a very weird assessment that simply contradicts what we saw of Dukat in the earlier episodes and it was always, what made him interesting.
Not his diabolical mind, but his diabolical mind combines with alot of shreds of decency as well.
I think Sisko was just pissed (and I don't mean drunk:lol:) at Dukat for beating him up. I am sure once he had time to cool down his judgment was more balanced.

And Speaking of evil: I am not sure what to call a man that drops deadly poison on a planet where there are children, just to secure the capture of one man.
 
Agreed. Sisko's approach to getting Eddington is cowardice and not heroic. But the writers forgot all about heroics as soon as their little minds thought it was cool that a federation ship has a cloaking device. FORGETTING that in Star Trek, having a cloaking device is an act of cowardice and a weapon for the weak.

Strange how all the issues established about an enemy having a cloaking device were all forgotten when the Defiant had one.

What is the point for the Defiant to have a cloaking device when the enemy is fully aware it has one and is DOCKED at DS9???

Fan-wanking the conventions but ignoring the rules. Typical DS9 bullshit.
 
The Cloaking device was borrowed from the Romulans and with an agreement that its use will be limited to the gamma quadrant.
 
I think there is NO ONE star, that rules them all.
Kind of what makes alot of great series great.
I like Alamo's acting alot, but i find it sad, he is only a villain in the end of the series.
Cisco calls him pure evil in 1 of the later episodes (season 6 or something), a very weird assessment that simply contradicts what we saw of Dukat in the earlier episodes and it was always, what made him interesting.
Not his diabolical mind, but his diabolical mind combines with alot of shreds of decency as well.
I think Sisko was just pissed (and I don't mean drunk:lol:) at Dukat for beating him up. I am sure once he had time to cool down his judgment was more balanced.

And Speaking of evil: I am not sure what to call a man that drops deadly poison on a planet where there are children, just to secure the capture of one man.

I call him human. Humans are capable of great good and reprehensible evil. While I can't stand Sisko's actions, he at least provided warning and the Maquis were able to evacuate. That is more than could ever be said of Dukat.

The thing about DS9 is that they rarely played it safe. Sisko made morally questionable decisions, but so did Starfleet. The aspects of the impact of the cold war, and eventually hot war, with the Dominion led to some pretty nasty behaviors.

As much as I like the optimism of the Federation, there has to be challenge to those ideals, or they mean very little.

I know DS9 had its ups and downs, but it was interesting, to me, to see the charactesr go through them.
 
Agreed. Sisko's approach to getting Eddington is cowardice and not heroic. But the writers forgot all about heroics as soon as their little minds thought it was cool that a federation ship has a cloaking device. FORGETTING that in Star Trek, having a cloaking device is an act of cowardice and a weapon for the weak.

Strange how all the issues established about an enemy having a cloaking device were all forgotten when the Defiant had one.

What is the point for the Defiant to have a cloaking device when the enemy is fully aware it has one and is DOCKED at DS9???

Fan-wanking the conventions but ignoring the rules. Typical DS9 bullshit.


using a clear technological advantage in battle is an act of "cowardice" and "weakness?" Perhaps they should forget the phasers and solve their differences through swordfighting?
 
^ and call Klingons 'cowards' while we're at it....they love that shit!

"In battle, there is nothing more honorable than victory." - Worf
 
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