I think you're taking the phrase: "to boldly go where no man has gone before..." a bit too literally.
Was Seven a Virgin?
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I think you're taking the phrase: "to boldly go where no man has gone before..." a bit too literally.
Doesn't matter if you buy it or not. It's definitely not speculative.....it's blatantly implied. How hard would it have been to stick five more seconds onto the end of the kissing scene where B'Ellanna could maybe push him away and say....."i need to get back to work"...or something similar. Taking the position that it didn't happen seems far more speculative to me based on what we see in the episode
Seems to me that the writers clearly want us to think it happened. Why bother with the innuendo if it didn't. Doesn't mean it did but if it didn't then it was certainly odd way to present the whole thing to us
Steth clearly wasn't that concerned about being found out (his interactions with other crew would suggest so) so he wouldn't be too worried about being outed that way and B'Ellanna could only find out by using your fingerprint sex method....IF she actually had sex with him
I think "Extreme Risk" is starting to make some sense now
I meant to say "waiters". Meh?
There's 7 coffees between now and me being completely awake.
Even with a plugged up Vagina, Seven could still lose her virginity to a girl.
Actually, because she had a plugged up Vagina it would have made more sense to exclude men from her dating pool. Men would nag and nag and nag about getting that thing fixed so that they could have "real sex". Which is both insulting and exhausting. Women only would save her from a million migraines.
So, if it was a year or two before the Doctor had completely filed down all the sharp edges in there, it is most likely that Seven of Nine lost her virginity to a woman.
Although I was thinking that if her vagina was such a gridlocked impasse, that the Doctor might have given her a new hole to use in the meanwhile, until repairs on the main hole were complete?
But where on Seven would he have put that new hole?
There's 7 coffees between now and me being completely awake.
Even with a plugged up Vagina, Seven could still lose her virginity to a girl.
Actually, because she had a plugged up Vagina it would have made more sense to exclude men from her dating pool. Men would nag and nag and nag about getting that thing fixed so that they could have "real sex". Which is both insulting and exhausting. Women only would save her from a million migraines.
So, if it was a year or two before the Doctor had completely filed down all the sharp edges in there, it is most likely that Seven of Nine lost her virginity to a woman.
Although I was thinking that if her vagina was such a gridlocked impasse, that the Doctor might have given her a new hole to use in the meanwhile, until repairs on the main hole were complete?
But where on Seven would he have put that new hole?
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Buffy the Vampire Slayer was super pissed with her boyfriend Riley that he didn't noticed that Faith The other (evil) Vampire Slayer had soul jumped into her body and frakked him. So the beginning of the end for those two.
On Alias an evil spygirl surgically altered herself to be able to replace the peppy best friend, to spy on Sydney Bristo. Part of her method of immersing herself into Syndey's world was to begin a relationship with Bradley Cooper, but spygirl didn't feel like ####ing him. Since she was already using hypnosis to harvest information, the evil spygirl added their sex life into the already ongoing mental programming "And when I count to 5 you are going to believe that you have had the best sex of your life, and then roll over and go to sleep. 1. 2. 3. 4. 5."
How does a girl lose her virginity to a girl? I mean what is the defining gesture that makes her say "That's it! I am no longer a virgin!" ? That seems kinda mysterious. Do they tear up the hymen at some point? Like a gift wrap or something?
Without wanting to get too vulgar, i am sometimes tender with my girlfriend whereas on other occasions, i throw her on the bed and treat her like a piece of fuck meat
Are you suggesting she should question this more. (was that really my boyfriend or a doppelganger controlling him?)
And why are you against the possibility that Steth may have slept with with B'Ellanna. Is it because you think there's no follow up (to be fair, there's a lot of Voyager episodes that massively lack follow up)
I reckon it happened but each to their own i guess
I've never heard of it. Is it any good?
Maybe people in the 24th century are generally too emotionally mature to give much weight to something their significant other did unintentionally? Heck, I know plenty of couples in the 21st century who would handle that sanely, and surely that only gets better in a world of telepathic and empathic counselors. (Yes, I know there were none on Voyager, but presumably everyone in the crew would have been exposed to such earlier in life except Neelix and Kes - during school, for instance.)
Not every one! Kim was pretty upset to see Tuvok.. talk to his holographic love interest, imagine how he would have reacted had he learned that he (Tuvok) had slept with her!
The holographic love interest could not, by definition of the limitations of her programming and available computing resources, have intentionally done much of anything at all. Kim wasn't upset with "her", he was upset with Tuvok, who was interacting with "her" intentionally. I never said they would be so zen and enlightened that there would be no jealousy even when intent WAS there or perceived to be there. And also, Harry Kim is a tool.
Dark Comedy. Movie. Starring one of the boys from the league and one of the girls form Madmen.
Plus One or +1 is a porkies meets Halloween version of that with a hundred drunk teenagers.
Oh and then there's Coherence where a dinner party gets multiplied infinitely, and whenever some one leaves the house they almost always enter the wrong almost identical house because some multiversal blender keeps tossing them into the wrong parallel universe.
There's been a few of these movies lately.
Imagine if Kim had had a Girlfriend when he was doubled and replaced in Deadlock?
Isn't it lucky that no woman on Voyager wants him.
There's plenty of LGBTQ characters in Starfleet in the novels, including a gay male couple who were Voyager security officers in Jeri Taylor's novel Pathways. Even if they failed to ever show up onscreen, we know that Jeri Taylor's intention was that there were gays on Voyager.
That people try to make arguments that gay people were wiped out in the future, or kept segregated, is one good reason why Trek needs to do some LGBT representation.
Star Trek has always been a positive, inspirational vision of the future, even if it's execution has been flawed. To be told there's no place for me in this future is pretty offensive.
That people try to make arguments that gay people were wiped out in the future, or kept segregated, is one good reason why Trek needs to do some LGBT representation.
Star Trek has always been a positive, inspirational vision of the future, even if it's execution has been flawed. To be told there's no place for me in this future is pretty offensive.
The novels are written by apologists and revisionists.
It's like how Sisko was angry about how the holodeck pretended that black people were not third class citizens in 1950s America, when really, if the 24th century was as 24th century-ey as we'd like to think it is, then Sisko shouldn't have known that he was "black".
Stephen Colbert "I don't see race. People tell me that I'm white, I can't be sure, but I chose to believe them, because it makes them happy."
It's like how Sisko was angry about how the holodeck pretended that black people were not third class citizens in 1950s America, when really, if the 24th century was as 24th century-ey as we'd like to think it is, then Sisko shouldn't have known that he was "black".
Stephen Colbert "I don't see race. People tell me that I'm white, I can't be sure, but I chose to believe them, because it makes them happy."
I always did have a problem with the holodeck recreating historical settings with the racism turned off. It feels kind of like you're erasing the historical truth and whitewashing the bad parts just so you can enjoy the fashion, music and culture without dealing with the ugly realities. It's a dangerous thing to willfully forget the mistakes of the past. Maybe I just take everything too seriously, but I wouldn't want to glorify the bigoted eras of the past to hang out in Vic's utopian Las Vegas. But then I am a product of the 20/21st century and have a very different life experience than Sisko, who in his own time should never have faced a moment of prejudice in his life. The whole issue should be nothing more than a bizarre historical subject with no impact on normal life.
I am reminded of Uhura's non-reaction to fake Abraham Lincoln's potentially objectional comments on her race. I thought her reaction was perfect for who Uhura was. She didn't take offense, she was largely indifferent to the issue. She reacted like someone who was unfamiliar with prejudice in a personal way.
I am reminded of Uhura's non-reaction to fake Abraham Lincoln's potentially objectional comments on her race. I thought her reaction was perfect for who Uhura was. She didn't take offense, she was largely indifferent to the issue. She reacted like someone who was unfamiliar with prejudice in a personal way.
I've never understood why people keep on insisting that 300 years into the future human beings are magically more evolved. Is that how evolution works? They're not more evolved, they're just more privileged. Take their technology away and they'll be raping and killing each other within days. You could just as easily argue that millionaires today don't engage in as much violence or criminality because they're more evolved
I have never seen any evidence that the people of the Federation are more culturally/morally advanced in any meaningful way outside of their technology. Five minutes after the Dominion attacked the Federation, didn't a whole bunch of people conspire to adopt a military dictatorship (or Janeway frothing at the mouth seeking revenge on Ransom) plus other examples of jealously, pettiness, racism (every week Neelix called Tuvok, Mr Vulcan and he and other (human) crew members constantly mocked him for being logical......is that not kinda the point of his race!!) In Resolutions, Kim gets all upset with him for not being more emotional.....eh?
I'm starting to think the OS is actually the only series that can say this. I honestly think they rested on their laurels for the shows that came in the 80's/90's
Negress does not only not sound like a real word, I'm not even sure how to spell it.
It's shameful what Voyager didn't do.
DS9 at least tried, even if it was a shadow of Xena and Buffy.
Season 2 DS9 Jadzia thought that the crossdressing waiter wanted to boy on boy jump Quark, and she was fine with it.
Turned out to be girl, but still, a good start.
It's shameful what Voyager didn't do.
DS9 at least tried, even if it was a shadow of Xena and Buffy.
Season 2 DS9 Jadzia thought that the crossdressing waiter wanted to boy on boy jump Quark, and she was fine with it.
Turned out to be girl, but still, a good start.
Did you miss the, I want to call it a joke but I just can't, did you miss the attempt at humour in the the pilot?
Tuvok says "The Federation is comprised of many diverse races. I am Vulcan."
Neelix replies "And Hello to you then Mr Vulcan!"
The conceit is that Neelix believed or pretend to believe that Tuvok was introducing himself and that his name is Vulcan.
"I am Vulcan."
"I am Kevin."
"I am Tuvok."
See.
It's like a joke but about only 15 percent as effective.
Neelix after he figured out his error most likely, since he is not an asshole, grain of salt, continued to call Tuvok "Mr Vulcan", becuase the mistake he made was embarrassing to him, see what a clod I am, and therefore self depricating funny and not insult funny.
Tuvok says "The Federation is comprised of many diverse races. I am Vulcan."
Neelix replies "And Hello to you then Mr Vulcan!"
The conceit is that Neelix believed or pretend to believe that Tuvok was introducing himself and that his name is Vulcan.
"I am Vulcan."
"I am Kevin."
"I am Tuvok."
See.
It's like a joke but about only 15 percent as effective.
Neelix after he figured out his error most likely, since he is not an asshole, grain of salt, continued to call Tuvok "Mr Vulcan", becuase the mistake he made was embarrassing to him, see what a clod I am, and therefore self depricating funny and not insult funny.
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