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because many felt that Brandon Routh looked 'effeminate' (gay) and that he didn't kick enough ass as Superman (although many are now strangely nostalgic for Superman Returns and love it over Man Of Steel!:wtf:)

I've honestly never heard this complaint about Routh in Superman Returns, but then again, if Christopher Reeve were alive and the same age and shape today as the 1978 movie, he would've been passed up for being not gigantic enough like your Cavills, Jackmen, Hardiess, Hemsworths, and Evanses.

He wouldn't have been passed up, they would have just assigned him a trainer to make him big. Just like they did with Cavil & the rest.
 
because many felt that Brandon Routh looked 'effeminate' (gay) and that he didn't kick enough ass as Superman (although many are now strangely nostalgic for Superman Returns and love it over Man Of Steel!:wtf:)

I've honestly never heard this complaint about Routh in Superman Returns, but then again, if Christopher Reeve were alive and the same age and shape today as the 1978 movie, he would've been passed up for being not gigantic enough like your Cavills, Jackmen, Hardiess, Hemsworths, and Evanses.

It was mostly before the movie opened as I recall. Prior to the movie's release, there was an ugly strain of homophobia running through a lot of the on-line chatter and predictions about the movie. Not from everybody, of course, but, sadly, it was pretty much impossible to read a comment thread about the movie without running across a few veiled (and not-so-veiled) allusions to Singer's sexual orientation, with sideswipes at Routh for not looking masculine enough.

Some people really did seem to have an issue with Superman (he of "Truth, Justice, and the American Way") being directed by a gay guy, with Routh taking heat by the way of collateral damage.

I remembered being irked and disappointed by such posts at the time. One wants to think better of one's fellow fans . . ..
 
because many felt that Brandon Routh looked 'effeminate' (gay) and that he didn't kick enough ass as Superman (although many are now strangely nostalgic for Superman Returns and love it over Man Of Steel!:wtf:)

I've honestly never heard this complaint about Routh in Superman Returns, but then again, if Christopher Reeve were alive and the same age and shape today as the 1978 movie, he would've been passed up for being not gigantic enough like your Cavills, Jackmen, Hardiess, Hemsworths, and Evanses.

He wouldn't have been passed up, they would have just assigned him a trainer to make him big. Just like they did with Cavil & the rest.

David Prowse trained Reeve for Superman, though obviously training techniques have changed and improved in the past 35 years. But while actors have always been fit like Robert Downey, Jr., Tom Cruise, or Chris Pine, it's almost as if comic book movie heroes have increased in mass exponentially over the past few years, and I suppose that's made me a bit cynical about the Hollywood process.

I remembered being irked and disappointed by such posts at the time. One wants to think better of one's fellow fans . . ..

Ugh, I'm surprised I hadn't heard it, but I'm glad that I didn't hear it at the time, either (or perhaps just forgot it. Like they forgot what Superman stands for.

On a side note, I rewatched the movie and I was reminded as well just how uncanny Routh was to Reeve, down to the Clark Kent mannerisms that Reeve helped popularize. I would've loved to have seen Routh as Superman again.
 
Considering Justin Linn was chosen, I can't help but say the things I predicted would happen, did happen...

That all said, I still stand by my opinion Frakes won't get it.

But going back to my earlier post, who would want to do it? Who's available to do it? Who has the experience of Trek?

With Abrams tied up doing Star Wars, Frakes may end up being the only viable choice. Look what happened when Paramount put Nemesis in the hands of Stuart Baird, someone with no experience of Star Trek. Now to be fair to him, the script was hogwash. He had very little to work with. I don't think there was ever much wrong with his direction per se. Marina's on record as saying the main cast where happy with the script for Nemesis, but they all hated the film. There's something wrong there.

The next Trek film will live and die by the story and the script, not by a director who may only be so so. Abrams had never done Trek, but the first reboot was successful because it had a good script, something which can't be said for Into Darkness.

At least, the new Bond movie allegedly has some massive script problems that make the as yet unwritten Star Trek XIII look like a masterpiece. :guffaw:
You don't NEED Trek experience to make a good Trek movie. Meyer didn't have any nor any particular love of the source material when he did TWOK. It's more about finding a talented director who is a good fit for the material and not someone who wants to make it into something it's not.


I can't believe I am actually agreeing with Maurice on something, but he's absolutely right, there. There are tons of directors out there that have zero sci fi, let alone, Star Trek experience that they can choose from. I think a clean slate of a director has a far better chance than Frakes does.

I personally wouldn't mind if Frakes got the job, but I would be very surprised if he did. First, the guy is like 20 years Orci's and Abrams' senior. To them, he's an old, has been. They are not interested in anything Frakes has to say. I mainly believe that the reason Frakes won't get the job is because of politics. They don't want anyone who had anything do do with the Berman/Braga era. It may not be fair, but because Frakes was the first of the spin off actors to get a shot at directing, he IS of that era. I think the next director will be someone with close ties with Abrams or Orci, (or) that has done work with them. May or may not be an unknown, but I think they are going to get someone they believe is a team player and will direct in a way that carries out the material written they way they want it directed and produced. Not someone who has been on record of wanting to bring back a series spun off from the TNG era, like Frakes is, and has their own ideas what Star Trek ought to be.


Especially the last part. Linn HAS in fact worked with Orci before.
October 2013, Lin was announced to be directing the pilot of Scorpion, a CBS drama produced by Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman. The pilot would be based real life of Walter O'Brien, the man with 4th highest IQ ever recorded. In addition to directing the first episode, Lin serves as one of the series Executive Producers
So, yeah, they got their company man to tow the company line.

Believe me, I am not exactly happy about being right, but there it is. Riker never had a chance.
 
I like Frakes, but let's be realistic here: What has he done recently to deserve this project?

It's a biggie: The franchise 50th Anniversary.

Why would they put in Frakes, who hasn't directed anything worthwhile in 20 years?

I feel bad about Insurrection, I don't think that's his fault. I haven't seen Insurrection since 1998, but I was under the impression that the script and story were the problem. Not the directing.
 
I don't agree that someone who directed awesome Trek movies some time in the past is necessarily worse than someone attached to Fast and Furious and Scorpion more recently.

I mean which would you rather hear?

From the director of First Contact vs. From the director of Fast and Furious

I'm still hoping to be surprised with a really good movie and also his work on True Detective (which I loved season 1 of) but his past projects don't get me excited, if that's what we're going by.
 
I don't agree that someone who directed awesome Trek movies some time in the past is necessarily worse than someone attached to Fast and Furious and Scorpion more recently.

I mean which would you rather hear?

From the director of First Contact vs. From the director of Fast and Furious

I'm still hoping to be surprised with a really good movie and also his work on True Detective (which I loved season 1 of) but his past projects don't get me excited, if that's what we're going by.

As a member of the broader movie viewing audience, "from the director of Fast and Furious" would be a reference from this century (so more resonant) while the other would either feel outdated or, more likely generate a "director of what now?"

Not really a difficult choice for Paramount. Long-standing fans are not the priority (nor should they be, really).
 
Fair enough, I'm more referring to people who know both series and their gut reaction to either tagline. The director of the best Trek movie or the epitome of standard action movie and generic TV show?

Broad appeal I can understand, JJ's Trek managed to not only appeal to a wider audience but more importantly were still good movies, so that was a win-win in my opinion.

But I am surprised at the amount of care here for the success of the movie moneywise. Unless people have no expectations for current Trek and are hoping for a good one decades down the line, being excited about their profit doesn't make sense to me. That's like being excited about a publisher's new book based solely on it's profit projection and not caring who the author is or what the book is about.

Everyone has a different idea of what a good movie is to them, I can understand being excited if you're a fan of Lin's work but I can't see how the profit should matter to the viewer.
 
Profit usually means they'll be more, especially if it's a franchise.

Pretty much. It's not that people care if Paramount specifically makes a profit (unless they're shareholders), but the more money a Trek movie makes, the more likely there'll be more.
 
There is no new Trek on TV, and the movies are all we've got right now, so right now more is good! :D
Though I do think that every two years would be better than every four, but if we're looking at that, then I'd say every week would be even better. :shifty:
 
I'd much rather hear "from the director of Fast & Furious," thanks.

And there's no guarantee that he'll direct it as if it was Fast & Furious anyway. Star Trek and F&F are two very different franchises, and Lin's done work beyond car movies.
 
Now I want a 15-minute high speed chase scene through an endless engine room.:p

Well, Kirk did love his fast cars and bikes back in the 2009 movie.
Maybe he's got a couple of them parked in Enterprise's hangar, 5 years out in unknown regions of space can get boring :p
 
As the Borg assimilation process begins to take effect, all the future technology is neutralized rendering the future-cars and transporters useless. Kirk and Spock race through the streets of San Francisco in a red 1965 Corvette Stingray after the McGuffin.
 
One captain
One car
One bike
Many explosions
A loveable talking sidekick
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