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Syfy's Ascension Miniseries

New old people don't really live up to the humorous ageist stereotypes.

Old old people, who I think of as old people, who are probably all dead, are retirees in Miami from the 80s.

Basically anyone over 60 on a rerun of Seinfeld.

You know who I'm talking about.

Old old People started being replaced by young old people after that grey orgy in Cocoon.

Viagra didn't help anyone go gently into that good night either.
 
It was also unclear to me how much the sex was actually part of the stewardess's job description and how much of it was just sort of "expected"--in the manner of the old "coffee, tea, or me?" stereotype.

I mean, clearly they were intended as eye candy and any stewardess who was not up to showing a guy a good time now and then would not go far, but were they literally escorts?

Excellent question. They repeatedly say that, before the computer match you with someone, you can have all the fun.

And in a closed enviroment without STD and an apparently perfect contraceptive technology (and practically no major religion present...) it seems that casual sex is a lesser taboo than in our society.

So probably sex is in the job description and there are sex techniques courses in the stewardess apprentice program :)
 
Techniques?

The original wouldn't have taken porn or manuals with them.

It'd be like reinventing the wheel after a terribly effective darkage scrubbing all human knowledge.
 
I read the Wikipedia page about the miniseries and I found two references to two scifi novels that I didn't know. Now I'm quite curious...

  • Taklamakan, a Hugo Award novelette by Bruce Sterling, which depicts a group of fake generation ships from which passengers try to escape.
  • Thirteen to Centaurus, by J. G. Ballard about a fake generation ship to Alpha Centaurus with its population kept in dark about the experiment for 50 years, with the exception of "ship's" psychologist. Developed into an episode of the television anthology series Out of the Unknown, shown on December 13, 1965

Edit: The Ascension producers are quite lucky that Harlan Ellison didn't write any of the two novels! :D
 
He probably did and forgot to publish it.

It's basically the Village.

I wrote the Village before the Village, except in my version, it was all a sociological engine to create time travellers. They'd faked the past, then periodically dumped duped adolescents in the present, outside of the experiment, to see what they do to try and go back in time to where they think their home is.
 
He probably did and forgot to publish it.

It's basically the Village.

I wrote the Village before the Village, except in my version, it was all a sociological engine to create time travellers. They'd faked the past, then periodically dumped duped adolescents in the present, outside of the experiment, to see what they do to try and go back in time to where they think their home is.

It's exactly like The Village! :eek:
 
I got a little over an hour through it before I gave up. I'm so sick of "mature" "adult" storytelling meaning endless scenes of graphic sex. There just wasn't a hook to keep me watching.

You never saw a porn, right? Because it seems you are a little confused about what is "graphic sex"....
Or anything on HBO, Showtime, or Starz.
 
Remember when the height of sex on TV was Benny Hill chasing around women in lacy underwear, and you'd have to stay till 11.30 on a Friday night somehow to see it?
 
I'm quite perplexed by all the "stewardesses" thing.

It's a kind of mix of waitress/escort/geisha? It seems a quite coveted job without any social stigma.
My take away was that more resources were spent on them, probably because they're "entertaining" the more important people on board. One of them showed her friend that she was given lipstick and treated it as fairly rare item.
 
The perplexing thing is...what makes the important people...important? The mini never showed us why they were so bloodly important, that they earned this very weird "stewardess delight" privilege. Every single adult who was an original crew member should have had a skill vital to maintaining the ship or the scientific background for the mission.
Since these stewardesses were all lovely young things, are we to accept that some of the best and brightest would...pimp out their children, let alone somebody else's in this fashion? Wouldn't those born "after launch" been schooled? A ship full of scientists and researchers-who came up with this as being someone's lot in life?
We can't forget that contact with Earth continued well after the mission began. They might not have experienced the social turmoil first hand, but they shouldn't have been in such an isolated vacuum as we're presented, that this Mad Men male fantasy would have taken root.
 
The perplexing thing is...what makes the important people...important? The mini never showed us why they were so bloodly important, that they earned this very weird "stewardess delight" privilege. Every single adult who was an original crew member should have had a skill vital to maintaining the ship or the scientific background for the mission.

There is a "Council". And I don't believe that every child of the original crew decided to become him\herself part of the crew or a scientist.
 
Since these stewardesses were all lovely young things, are we to accept that some of the best and brightest would...pimp out their children, let alone somebody else's in this fashion? Wouldn't those born "after launch" been schooled? A ship full of scientists and researchers-who came up with this as being someone's lot in life?

They started in the '60s. In the '60s, this was seen as a woman's role -- to be an object of romance and sexuality. Even single women in the workplace were assumed to be in pursuit of potential husbands, and it was taken for granted that they'd give up their jobs when they got married. (Even in Star Trek's supposedly progressive future, this was taken for granted -- see the opening-scene discussion of Carolyn Palamas in "Who Mourns for Adonais?") It was expected and normative for men to flirt with their female coworkers; what we consider sexual harassment today was seen back then (at least by men) as simply being polite and flattering.

In fact, I was thinking that when the captain gave that speech about Lorelei at her funeral -- it struck me as inconsistent with the '60s-based milieu that he didn't stress her physical beauty among her assets. In the '60s and '70s, even the '80s, it was taken for granted that if you wanted to praise a woman, you called her beautiful and stressed her femininity. Even if you were also acknowledging her skill or strength or intelligence, you'd still make sure to compliment her looks and her feminine charms. It was assumed that that was what she herself would most want to hear: that she was desirably feminine and a good marital prospect.


We can't forget that contact with Earth continued well after the mission began. They might not have experienced the social turmoil first hand, but they shouldn't have been in such an isolated vacuum as we're presented, that this Mad Men male fantasy would have taken root.
I gather that Word of God is that they stayed in touch for about a decade, or until c. 1973. Women's roles in society had gotten somewhat more progressive by then, but the old patriarchal value system was still very much in place, and the attitudes toward women's sexuality still held true. If anything, the perception among men at the time was that the sexual revolution meant that women were even more sexually available to men than they had been before. Look at the 1971 Roger Vadim/Gene Roddenberry sex comedy Pretty Maids All in a Row, for example -- a film in which virtually all the young female characters are totally uninhibited and throw themselves sexually at Rock Hudson (even though he's their high school guidance councillor -- at the time, that wasn't even seen as creepy), and in which Hudson convinces his fellow teacher Angie Dickinson to "help" an inhibited male student by seducing and sleeping with him.
 
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