The Old Yeller...
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^^ The irony...
When TNG started airing I was four years old. I had this man-crush on Riker because he seemed to be take-charge, was a good-looking guy who characters seemed to respect and eventually had an awesome, manly beard.
When I watch the series again, I find that I don't like him so much anymore. He's great when he smiles, but I don't like him acting superior or angry, which he seems to do a lot of the time. Frakes isn't as poor of an actor as he has a reputation for being; his trouble seems to be in pulling off the more intense emotions, including anger, fear and concern for others.
I think some of it may have been uneven writing, since this show had many writers. The situation is kind of like how Jeri Taylor wrote Janeway as a horrible captain, while others portrayed her in a more balanced light, and it ruined the character. In "Chain of Command" it was well within Riker's characterization to butt heads with Jellico, but to actually refuse to carry out an order? That seemed to be only so the writers could make Jellico swallow his pride and have Riker demonstrate his previously unmentioned flying skills instead of the android pilot with superhuman reflexes.
When I watch the series again, I find that I don't like him so much anymore. He's great when he smiles, but I don't like him acting superior or angry, which he seems to do a lot of the time. Frakes isn't as poor of an actor as he has a reputation for being; his trouble seems to be in pulling off the more intense emotions, including anger, fear and concern for others.
I think some of it may have been uneven writing, since this show had many writers. The situation is kind of like how Jeri Taylor wrote Janeway as a horrible captain, while others portrayed her in a more balanced light, and it ruined the character. In "Chain of Command" it was well within Riker's characterization to butt heads with Jellico, but to actually refuse to carry out an order? That seemed to be only so the writers could make Jellico swallow his pride and have Riker demonstrate his previously unmentioned flying skills instead of the android pilot with superhuman reflexes.
That's because it's aussie slang.I must admit, I never thought I'd ever see anyone use that particular epithet to describe Captain Kirk.
Yes I know that. Because I am an Aussie. Clearly, so is Orphalesion. That's the point.*We* understand what it means, but how many Americans would recognise the word? I'm just commenting light-heartedly on how unexpected it is to find it being used on a forum like this one. Context being everything.
(Also my way of throwing a shout-out to Orphalesion - Aussies being thicker than blood and all that.
I love hearing Aussie jargon. There seems to be an internal consistency to its construction. You hear words like wallaby, billabong and the like, and you just know that they come from Australia.
Before I Google the meaning of Bogan, I will tell you what it sounds like to me. Some sort of wilderness cryptid, similar to Sasquatch, which haunts swamps and mountains.
Edit: Okay, so sort of like a chav that's not from the city?
Grow up, already!
I see where you're coming from. I watched tng the first time as an adult and that's why I saw riker exactly for what he is, IE a poorly written/acted/directed character that doesn't add much to the series. His insubordination with captain Jellico is a very good example as it happens rather late in the series and yet it shows riker to be a bad excuse for a first officer, betraying his captain by refusing to obey a direct order. I mean, anyone with a brain in his head and by that I definitely mean someone other than the overgrown brats here that keep antagonizing me childishly, without any more arguments to offer than crude insults, would have understood that Jellico was well within his rights to be annoyed by that imbecile, and in my opinion he showed more patience than riker deserved. Riker yelled at him for not jeopardizing the ship and everything to run for Picard rescue but he ignored (riker I mean) that his first duty was to his current captain, duty that he betrayed and for that he should have been court martialed and therefore got away scot free. Picard's attachment to riker blinds him to his many flaws.
Yes and no. Bogans can be from the city/suburbs. I have always used the word in two ways:
1) a person of lower soicoeconomic standing, possibly living off centre link, drinking a lot of beer and walking around without shoes. This type of bogan can still be a fun guy.
2) The not fun bogan who is backwards and violent. Possibly an angry drunk and/or racist.
I also use it because it comes more natural to me than redneck.
Troll!
Kobyashi Maru said:Lance said:I must admit, I never thought I'd ever see anyone use that particular epithet to describe Captain Kirk.
That's because it's aussie slang.
Yes I know that. Because I am an Aussie. Clearly, so is Orphalesion. That's the point.
(Also my way of throwing a shout-out to Orphalesion - Aussies being thicker than blood and all that.
Things is if Kirk was a real Australian bogan (from modern times) I'd probably find him easier to stomach. That be a captain I'd wanna serve under
I can see it: all the bridge chairs have drink holders, instead of that weird tunic or Picard's jacket the Captain's uniform would come in a singled/shorts combination (shoes optional), they'd stop on planets for barbeques and even diplomatic banquets would be REAL fun.
It would be bliss!
The thing is, I think you're actually right in a way. Kirk is a bogan. Remember that scene in Star Trek 5 with Kirk sitting on the centre chair while wearing a "Go Climb A Rock" t-shirt, and looking like he's just come in from skulling a six-pack of stubbies? That's Captain Bogan of the Starship Enterprise right there. 
Oh my...you are right, I tend to block out memories of ST 5, but yeah that T-shirt, his look in that scene, even the hair. It's eerie.
I still propose TOS could have been made 200% more awesome by replacing Kirk with an average Aussie Bogan:
"Captain's Log. Star Date: I don't give a f*ck. Me and my mates were playing King's Cup on the bridge when Spock suddenly started puking all over the helm console. Hikaru was pissed. Vulcan c*nt can't hold his liquor!"
Captains's Log supplement: reminder for myself to set course for Centrelink tomorrow."
Oh my...you are right, I tend to block out memories of ST 5, but yeah that T-shirt, his look in that scene, even the hair. It's eerie.
I still propose TOS could have been made 200% more awesome by replacing Kirk with an average Aussie Bogan:
"Captain's Log. Star Date: I don't give a f*ck. Me and my mates were playing King's Cup on the bridge when Spock suddenly started puking all over the helm console. Hikaru was pissed. Vulcan c*nt can't hold his liquor!"
"Captains's Log supplement: reminder for myself to set course for Centrelink tomorrow."
In my 'brain canon', Kirk actually has a shoulder length mullet and a can of VB in his hand during those scenes with Admiral Bennett:
BENNETT: We've got plenty of ships, but no experienced Captains. We need Jim Kirk!
KIRK (burps): Geezus, gimme a f***ing break willya? I've only just got back from a fishing trip with me mates, I haven't had time to scratch me balls yet. (sips from can of beer)
See? instantly more likable!
Now for the intro:
Space. A whole lot of it. There's stars and novae and those shooty thongs.
These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise, ain't she a beauty? Fixed her up meself with me mate Les.
We just wanted to go to a water hole Les told me about, but we passed Gimpie 800 light years ago and I don't reckon it'd be that remote.
Now we're stuck here and its our mission to find new fobs...uh...alien lifeforms and sh*t.
F**k I'm too hung over for this, here listen to some Chisel while I eat some chips with gravy. See ya, c*nts!
*Khe Sahn starts playing in place of the TOS theme*
I've got a scene stuck in my head of Riker yelling but I cannot remember the episode. It is season one. Riker and Yar are headed to the transporter room to beam into a hostile situation. Yar is briefing Riker on the history of the situation as they walk. After each one of her summary points he yells "UNDERSTOOD", "UNDERSTOOD" at her, almost like he'd rather not hear what she has to say. Or was it Data & not Yar?
I remember Riker yelling like that at Ro but it was the same episode they had sex, "Conundrum".
Speaking.
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