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Syfy's Ascension Miniseries

Well, Ostara is the name of a Germanic pagan fertility goddess and the Wiccan vernal equinox celebration, and is etymologically linked to the term Easter. So there's a hint of religious observance there. Although they totally mispronounced the name -- it's "oh-star-ah," not "oh-stare-ah."

As for the anachronisms, the premise suggested in Night Two was that the Ascension crew actually invented a lot of the technologies that we use today, so they may have coined the terminology. Alternatively, Dr. Ming the Merciless Bryce was the project's mole on the inside, in touch with the outside world, so he may have introduced more modern innovations while claiming to have invented them (like the fMRI-type scanner he used on Christa).
 
Yeah, i'm pretty disappointed too... lots of interesting potential, but kind of wasted.

As a pilot...not so sure i'd follow the series. OK..Galt is on another world...maybe he's in the wilderness, and intelligent life is there (the only way to make his story mean something, after an episode of "After Earth"? How else can he reconnect....and no one else to build a civilization...




Tricia Helfer's claim to fame is being a sex object/manipulator in visual sci-fi... i think that might be at an end soon. It would have been nice to see her be a starship captain WITHOUT using sex.

And speaking of that..the whole "sex is a currency", to me, is kind of bogus. It seems more like an excuse to show some sex without any real science to it.
 
Well, Ostara is the name of a Germanic pagan fertility goddess and the Wiccan vernal equinox celebration, and is etymologically linked to the term Easter. So there's a hint of religious observance there. Although they totally mispronounced the name -- it's "oh-star-ah," not "oh-stare-ah."

I'm pretty sure that "mispronounciation" is intentional...they believed they were on a Trek to the Stars, right? :techman:

But i don't think it was really religious as much as using something from culture/history. Like naming the Apollo series -- not because someone believed in Apollo, but that it seemed to fit.


I guess it makes sense (to a degree) that the original crew did NOT fit all of the cultural norms of the early 60's. The Ascension's creators/funders might have thought religion could be a threat, and screened out sincerely religious people. Also, the sexual politics aren't too religious friendly (not sure if this was set up from the get go). (And the set up,too, could be too morally confusing for say, evangelical Christians).
 
And speaking of that..the whole "sex is a currency", to me, is kind of bogus. It seems more like an excuse to show some sex without any real science to it.

Well, they certainly were using it to titillate, but in fact, women in supposedly male-dominated societies throughout history have often used their sexuality and their influence over marital selections to wield significant power in society. In a 1960s-American social context, sex, marriage, and family would've been seen as women's sphere of influence, so if they were going to wield power, that's how they would do it. And it would be naive to assume they'd just settle for being passive non-actors in society; on the contrary, they'd make the most of that role and derive as much influence and power as they could from it, just as women in such "limited" societal roles have always managed to do.



Well, Ostara is the name of a Germanic pagan fertility goddess and the Wiccan vernal equinox celebration, and is etymologically linked to the term Easter. So there's a hint of religious observance there. Although they totally mispronounced the name -- it's "oh-star-ah," not "oh-stare-ah."

I'm pretty sure that "mispronounciation" is intentional...they believed they were on a Trek to the Stars, right? :techman:

I think you have it backwards -- it's supposed to sound like "star," but they were saying it like "stare."


But i don't think it was really religious as much as using something from culture/history.

I'm not saying "This was absolutely a religious thing." I'm simply saying that it's the one thing we saw that could conceivably be taken as evidence of something spiritual in the ship's culture.

Although it seems to me that the ship's "religion," the belief system that guided their lives, was The Mission -- the idea that they were serving a purpose greater than themselves and that the fate of humanity depended on the legacy they left. That's actually one of the most interesting ideas in the miniseries, and I wish they'd developed it more instead of wallowing in cliched Star Child/evil conspiracy stuff.
 
I'm pretty sure the name of the "birth list festival" was based around the word Austere and pronounced similarly.
 
^No, we actually saw a banner saying "Ostara" hanging in the lounge during the celebration. That's how I know they were saying "Ostara"; if I hadn't seen the word explicitly spelled out before my eyes, I wouldn't have been sure what they were saying.
 
^No, we actually saw a banner saying "Ostara" hanging in the lounge during the celebration. That's how I know they were saying "Ostara"; if I hadn't seen the word explicitly spelled out before my eyes, I wouldn't have been sure what they were saying.

I was watching with the closed-captioning on and it was spelled "Ostara."

Granted, the captioning also confused "caliber" with "cavalry," so . . .
 
I'm looking at the bad spelling and wondering what O-star-a has to do with the Star Child?

OH!

Rosewell!

At the bottom of the reservoir!

It's the engine from the ship that crashed in Roswell!

70 of the brightest minds inventing stuff seems like a crap shoot, but 70 of the greatest minds reverse engineering Roswell Alien tech?
 
The ending was too quick, it really needed to flesh stuff out better, or have a part 4. I don't understand the ending. Also, nothing on the ship was really resolved. A lot of open threads here. I guess maybe they want to try and leave it open for a tv series? Otherwise, this did not end very well.
This. +1000

After 6 hours, even the driving story arc that triggers the main plot, Who killed Laura Palmer-uh Rosie Larson, erm, Lorelei, went unresolved by the primary characters. There is no closure even with Christa acknowlegding it to Dr Mole, as he winds up attempting to save her from being kidnapped, which spawns another event.

Stokes is now, for all intents and purposes, an alien stranded on Earth. He has no guide to navigating the strange new world he's stuck on, and must now take on the role of Fugitive-he's two...two... two shows in one! ;)

I was hoping the Captain would die, and somehow. miraculously, Six would manage to take his place.

Poor Gault. In love with a married woman, gets beat up by her husband, a sister hospitalized with no mention if she recovered, and now, sent to the far reaches of...somewhere else. At least the lone Black man didn't die. :rolleyes:
I suppose that since Gault also saw Lorelei, does that mean there's an actual ''ghost in the machine'' onboard now? Or hey-she's really an Ancient from Stargate! That explains the title at least. :lol:

I complained about wanting more exploration of the ship's community and how it's society worked, but, the lackluster soap opera of Six/Captain/Council provided mostly boredom. Six-okay, Viondra...her nude swim was titilating of course, but the flirtation with ''boyfriend of teen daughter of the doctor'' amounted to...what exactly? Can't help but wonder if there were more interesting stories to tell to showcasr life in this 'biodome'.

A lackluster end to what should have been, a mini series filled with intruige and drama. The production values were solid some elements were interesting, but, in the end, the story just didn't hold together.
 
Tricia did a Playboy shoot years ago.

Her nudity has been a part of the public record for almost a decade.

How can we not say CAPTAIN BoBBY COBB?
 
I still really enjoyed most of it until the end. I was expecting at least some kind of closure since this was potentially the end of the story. Instead it felt like they were just setting up a second season, which might never happen, rather than actually giving us a real ending. It would have been nice we had at least gotten a definite end of the murder of Lorelei. I think it might have worked better if they had saved all of the stuff from where fried everything up to the end for a second season premiere and instead focused just on tying up more the storylines from the first two episodes.
That last shot was definitely another great shocker, but since we don't know if it will actually lead anywhere all it does is piss me off. Which really is how I feel about the whole episode.
 
Here's my take on Ascension, I watched it hoping for a new space show and was frustrated with the "twist" reveal at the end of night one. I know I'm being nitpicky but I like my space shows to you know actually take place in space. I'll just have to keep waiting I guess. Even though having the Ascension mission be real makes less logical sense as the US in the 60's didn't have the capability of launching such a craft (project Orion was halted by the partial test ban treaty). The story would have been much more romantic to have humans struggling to survive in deep space without help from Earth in the present.

The whole mini had a lot of interesting ideas such as a retro futuristic spaceship, the ethics of such a mission (real or fake), the daily life of such a community, class divide, and what appears to be psychic FTL? The mini instead wound up to be a confusing mish mash of ideas more than anything else. The mini should have resolved enough questions to let it stand on its own while having enough open to continue, instead I'm left hanging on a cliffhanger that won't get resolved (the ratings don't look good).

The only plotline involving Earth I liked was Krueger trying to expose the project and "rescue" the people on the ship but we lost that with another lame twist that gave me flashbacks to what happened to Beth on The Walking Dead, (it sucks to be a fan of Lauren Lee Smith) anyone remember her from Mutant X? I was also dissapointed that Tricia Helfer's character amounted to be the equivalent of a number 6. I liked the politicking that went onboard ship but it was ultimately undermined by the fact that the crew's environment was false. The villain Enzmann came off as more of a creep than a passionate or sympathetic villain, if all he wanted to do is create guild navigators (I'm assuming Gault was warped to Proxima another question left unanswered) then why didn't he say so? I bet the project would have met a lot less resistance from Krueger and the like who viewed the people as prisoners of an experiment rather than a delayed journey to Proxima, (why even kill Krueger off anyway? she had no idea what a starchild is just like the viewers). I got a kick out of the "last best hope" line were the writers fans of Babylon 5? I suppose one could re-watch it while waiting for the next real space opera.
 
I wouldn't count "psychic FTL" as one of the interesting ideas. Using psychic powers as an excuse to do magic without limits is not interesting, it's lazy. Characters should have limitations, and should have to earn their accomplishments. Psi powers are too often used by writers as a cheat to do whatever they feel like, and I find that sloppy. The interesting way to do psi powers is to make them subject to rules and limitations that are observed faithfully and utilized as a source of plots and complications, rather than just being an excuse to ignore rules and limitations.

The interesting ideas included the way the shipboard culture had evolved and adapted in response to its environment and the way Stokes faced the realization that his life was a lie. Neither of which got enough development.
 
Tricia Helfer... It would have been nice to see her be a starship captain WITHOUT using sex.

Amen.

And speaking of that..the whole "sex is a currency", to me, is kind of bogus. It seems more like an excuse to show some sex without any real science to it.

Agree. Although the sex scenes themselves didn't really bother me. I just think the obsession with it slowed down the plot. Speaking of plot, I felt like they (the writers) didn't quite know where to go with it. It never felt on track. It also felt painfully slow at times, and other times it felt like they were cramming too much into a short amount of time.

I didn't like the little girl turning into Kes. It felt too fantasy for what this series was if that makes any sense.

There were little things that bothered me and seemed like lines that were scratched in at the last minute to appease someone. For instance, the investigator says to Harris, "people like me." And he says, "homosexuals." And she replies, "we pop up when you least expect it." First of all, how would he know? And even if he had it in his file of research he did on her, how would he know specifically that she meant "homosexuals" in the context of her conversation with him? And wouldn't she be offended by the manner in which he said it? The whole conversation felt forced and out of place. There were many little conversations like that throughout the show that just didn't feel natural.

I had really high expectations, so most of this is my problem. I was expecting lots of tie-ins with our real history. That's because leading up to the premiere, the Ascension facebook page kept posting quotes from Presidents through the years - and I thought in the series they would use history to show that the government has been in on this program the whole time by pointing to historical events and quotes from Presidents, which I would have found incredibly neat.

What would have been better to me is if they had a Section 31 sort of agency (perhaps Area 51) that got its hands on technology way more advanced than NASA which would have allowed a real Ascension to take off in the 1960s. They kept it all hush-hush over the decades. The (real) space story would have been cool, and the Earth story could have been about unraveling how they got the technology, continuing the missions in secret, how a select few in the government knew what was going on, keeping the information from others in the government and other countries, and also tying in actual historical events, conflicts and speeches which is what I was hoping for. :) They could have done the reverse of what we got - the series could have actually started in the 1960s and aside from a handful of insiders who we learn about gradually throughout the series - the remainder of the inhabitants of the ship could have been kept in the dark that they were indeed on a fully functional spacecraft (they could have been drugged or something for the actual take-off), then the shocking reveal for them throughout the premiere would have been to learn they are now traveling in space against their will and can't go home.

Sorry for the long post.
 
I got a "how dumb were they?" question.

When do you think they noticed, if they noticed, that Natalie Wood was lip syncing the singing parts in Westside Story?
 
So... they built a spaceship... to trick a bunch of scientists into thinking they were going to another star... because for some reason they are way better at inventing MRI machines in complete isolation from all other human advancement oh and also they're there to evolve... through... 2(?) generations of selective breeding... a scary horror movie brain power girl.... who will do the actual interstellar travel by beaming people with her mind to other planets. And this story is mostly told through sex politics, wacky conspiracy politics, and ooooooh a murder mystery.

Poor Six, I bet they told her she was gonna get her own Laura Roslin presidential succession scene... But hey the head of the brothel errr I mean stewardesses... yes head of the stewardesses is in command. Too-Many-Girlfriends-Nog said so.

Better luck next time Discount-Lesbian-Starbuck. The Starchild must be born, and you're in the way :lol:

Well, it's probably better than Sharknado. Then again... I didn't see Sharknado. I'm probably not being fair to Sharknado here.
 
Yeah, that was a big cliffhanger-- or cliffhangers. So Gault and the other guy got magically transported to a planet around Alpha or Beta Centauri (certainly not Proxima). Does this mean that there was a teleportation device in Ascension pre-aimed there, just waiting for a star-child to jumpstart it? That would mean that the architects of Ascension somehow knew about a habitable (though kind of bleak) planet decades before Hubble or Kepler. And where'd the other guy go?

Anyway, looking past my disappointment that this wasn't 60s-era Steampunk, it wasn't bad. The social drama inside the bubble was pretty good as were the political dynamics outside the bubble. There were a few stupid things-- like sending one guy to feed the psychotic prisoner-- but that's true of almost any show. The conspiracy nut being part of the conspiracy did surprise me; the execution of the investigator-- especially the way it was done, ignoring inertia for the sake of a lurid moment-- is the kind of thing I dislike. There was very little sex and nudity compared to what I expected from the promotion (but apparently still enough to horrify people). I liked that little kid who played Christa, but she didn't really get to do a lot besides scream and react (but she excelled at looking appalled at displays of violence).

I'm not sure where they could go with this from here, and I'm not sure I'd be interested. It's a shame that it wasn't what it pretended to be.
 
For instance, the investigator says to Harris, "people like me." And he says, "homosexuals." And she replies, "we pop up when you least expect it." First of all, how would he know? And even if he had it in his file of research he did on her, how would he know specifically that she meant "homosexuals" in the context of her conversation with him?

Remember, when they first met, he was looking over her file and discussing the reasons for her discharge from the military. "They didn't ask... but you told." I.e. she was discharged for being openly lesbian while the "Don't ask, don't tell" policy was still in effect. That's how he knew. So since it had already come up in conversation between them, that's how he knew what she was referring to. And really, what else could it have been? They have women aboard, and they have plenty of white people aboard.


And wouldn't she be offended by the manner in which he said it?

Quite possibly -- but I'm sure that, as an out lesbian, she faced such slights and insults on a routine basis and developed a thick skin about them. Anyway, I think his reply hinted that he's maybe too caught up in the old-fashioned cultural mores of the Ascension crew, or else that he's coldly clinical about people rather than concerned with their sensitivities. Either way, I don't think it was meant to make him look good.


What would have been better to me is if they had a Section 31 sort of agency (perhaps Area 51) that got its hands on technology way more advanced than NASA which would have allowed a real Ascension to take off in the 1960s.

Mmm, that's rather a cliche by this point. Seven Days used alien tech from the "Roswell crash" as the basis for its top-secret time machine. The Lost in Space revival comics from the early '90s retconned the Jupiter 2 as the product of reverse-engineered tech from a crashed alien ship. This miniseries was mired enough in cliches and derivative ideas as it was. The nature of the ship, and its basis in the real-world Project Orion proposal, was actually one of the fresher elements of the story.


The (real) space story would have been cool, and the Earth story could have been about unraveling how they got the technology, continuing the missions in secret, how a select few in the government knew what was going on, keeping the information from others in the government and other countries, and also tying in actual historical events, conflicts and speeches which is what I was hoping for.

That couldn't have been done in real time, though, without the contrivance of FTL communication. It could potentially have been an interesting saga done that way, but would've had to jump forward in time quite a bit. And since the creators and Syfy clearly saw this as a backdoor pilot for a weekly series, I doubt they would've gone that route.


They could have done the reverse of what we got - the series could have actually started in the 1960s and aside from a handful of insiders who we learn about gradually throughout the series - the remainder of the inhabitants of the ship could have been kept in the dark that they were indeed on a fully functional spacecraft (they could have been drugged or something for the actual take-off), then the shocking reveal for them throughout the premiere would have been to learn they are now traveling in space against their will and can't go home.

But that wouldn't make much sense. Operating a spacecraft is delicate and dangerous work. Logically, you'd want your ship to be crewed by people who are fully trained in its operation and able to deal with whatever crises may arise. A crew consisting of abductees who don't even know they're on a ship is a terrible idea.



So... they built a spaceship... to trick a bunch of scientists into thinking they were going to another star... because for some reason they are way better at inventing MRI machines in complete isolation from all other human advancement

Yeah, I couldn't really buy that part. Innovation comes from interaction, not isolation. Historically, the most innovative cultures have tended to be in regions where different cultures interacted freely, travel and trade were encouraged, and so forth.



So Gault and the other guy got magically transported to a planet around Alpha or Beta Centauri (certainly not Proxima).

The other guy wasn't there, just Gault. They disappeared together, but only Gault reappeared.

Also, it's not Alpha and Beta Centauri, it's Alpha Centauri A and Alpha Centauri B. Beta Centauri is a totally different star, some 350 light-years farther away than Alpha Centauri, and is itself a three-star system. After all, the stars were named centuries before they were discovered to be multiple stars. So there's Alpha Centauri A, B, and C (aka Proxima Centauri), and there's Beta Centauri A1, A2, and B (because the A "star" was only later discovered to be a binary itself).

(I'm sensitive to this right now because I'm currently re-reading the old Star Trek novel Crisis on Centaurus, which also mistakenly refers to Alpha Cen B as Beta Cen.)


Anyway, looking past my disappointment that this wasn't 60s-era Steampunk, it wasn't bad.

I know you meant that as an analogy, but steampunk refers specifically to Victorian-styled retro-SF. The term for retro-60s would have to be something else. Atompunk? Googiepunk?


I liked that little kid who played Christa, but she didn't really get to do a lot besides scream and react (but she excelled at looking appalled at displays of violence).

I felt just the opposite. I found her wide-mouthed gaping to be ludicrously overplayed.
 
Remember, when they first met, he was looking over her file and discussing the reasons for her discharge from the military. "They didn't ask... but you told." I.e. she was discharged for being openly lesbian while the "Don't ask, don't tell" policy was still in effect. That's how he knew.

Ah. Sorry, I missed that. Must have been asleep during that bit. Thanks for the clarification!

Mmm, that's rather a cliche by this point. ... This miniseries was mired enough in cliches and derivative ideas as it was.

I guess I prefer my cliche. ;)

But that wouldn't make much sense. Operating a spacecraft is delicate and dangerous work. Logically, you'd want your ship to be crewed by people who are fully trained in its operation...

Remote navigation/autopilot/run by a machine/computer, all with discovered/classified technology.
 
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