You are still dodging around my central question - do you think it is right for private citizens to imprison without trial their fellow citizen?
however you dance around, your answer seems a long-winded way of saying "yes".
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You are still dodging around my central question - do you think it is right for private citizens to imprison without trial their fellow citizen?
however you dance around, your answer seems a long-winded way of saying "yes".
^Please don't make this personal. This is not about me. Of course I don't think it's right, but that's beside the point, because I'm not involved except as a viewer -- and because it's an imaginary, hypothetical situation and not worth getting up in arms about. The point is that, at the current time in the series, the characters just don't see another alternative. Of course they know it's wrong, but it's a lesser wrong than murdering every metahuman they catch. It's just the best they can manage under the circumstances. It's not "dancing around" anything to acknowledge that life is more complex than a series of black-and-white absolutes.
You know what, JoeZhang? Superheroes are the wrong genre for you.
eh? I love Superheroes and I love this show, I think it's the best superhero show so far - I don't actually give this topic a second thought when I'm watching it.
I'm an academic, I just like a good scrap.
Sorry if it came off like that, I just thought we were having a decent scrap - none of it is personal to me and I apologise if it came across like that.
Locking up super villian's without the legal recourse to do so is called vigilantism.
We already know they're vigilantes. It's a given.
Here's what you're forgetting Christopher.
Wells had always built the the collider as a prison.
Harrison had at least ten years warning, and the collider was always going to be a bust as a scientific tool, but it is no accident that this thing was immediately usable as a prison, because it's intentional.
I believe he's building a metahuman army, but then in a few episodes we may find out that he's a vampire and that he's eating his prisoners. This is not a prison, it's a holding pen, before the next step in Harrison Wells master plan to... I think Buffy said it best "That's it? That's Glory's master plan... to go home?"
"Stopgap" means that they are looking for a better option which they are not. In fact team Flash are intentionally obfuscating the metahuman menace rampaging the city so that the city does not devise it's own method of dealing legally with super crime which is kinda like how big pharma is suppressing the cure for the common cold because treating the symptoms is more profitable than curing the disease.
When Iron Heights is retooled to deal with metahuman within the next 5 years or so, is the Flash and Wells going to hand over all the 100s of persons they have locked up under star labs or would that only open them also to litigation and jail time? Isn't it safer to feed them to pigs? You say they're doing this because they do not have choices, but frankly that's not a status quo that is going to last much longer if Ronnie is going to be flying around the city scaring the shit out of weather helicopters.
Another cop in Central City is going to think he needs a task force to hunt Firestorm before he sets a building on fire with that flame trail he produces when he flies.
This was an episode of the Black List. A secret prison. After ten years they let this guy go because he had served his time according to the whim of a secret court 10 years earlier. It was only a matter of time until the prison was found and the jailers captured by the FBI, and all the other prisoners they were keeping were released when their farm was stormed. The jailers let the guy go after ten years because that was justice. He served his time and was allowed to return to the world, and if what they had done to him was discovered, so be it, because keeping him quiet "somehow" was not justice that was fear.
In the Arrow cross over, Oliver remarked that their secret prison was a lot more thought out than his secret prison which was bunker on an island surrounded by floating minefields.
We already know they're vigilantes. It's a given.
Here's what you're forgetting Christopher.
Wells had always built the the collider as a prison.
Harrison had at least ten years warning, and the collider was always going to be a bust as a scientific tool, but it is no accident that this thing was immediately usable as a prison, because it's intentional.
I believe he's building a metahuman army, but then in a few episodes we may find out that he's a vampire and that he's eating his prisoners. This is not a prison, it's a holding pen, before the next step in Harrison Wells master plan to... I think Buffy said it best "That's it? That's Glory's master plan... to go home?"
"Stopgap" means that they are looking for a better option which they are not. In fact team Flash are intentionally obfuscating the metahuman menace rampaging the city so that the city does not devise it's own method of dealing legally with super crime which is kinda like how big pharma is suppressing the cure for the common cold because treating the symptoms is more profitable than curing the disease.
When Iron Heights is retooled to deal with metahuman within the next 5 years or so, is the Flash and Wells going to hand over all the 100s of persons they have locked up under star labs or would that only open them also to litigation and jail time? Isn't it safer to feed them to pigs? You say they're doing this because they do not have choices, but frankly that's not a status quo that is going to last much longer if Ronnie is going to be flying around the city scaring the shit out of weather helicopters.
Another cop in Central City is going to think he needs a task force to hunt Firestorm before he sets a building on fire with that flame trail he produces when he flies.
This was an episode of the Black List. A secret prison. After ten years they let this guy go because he had served his time according to the whim of a secret court 10 years earlier. It was only a matter of time until the prison was found and the jailers captured by the FBI, and all the other prisoners they were keeping were released when their farm was stormed. The jailers let the guy go after ten years because that was justice. He served his time and was allowed to return to the world, and if what they had done to him was discovered, so be it, because keeping him quiet "somehow" was not justice that was fear.
In the Arrow cross over, Oliver remarked that their secret prison was a lot more thought out than his secret prison which was bunker on an island surrounded by floating minefields.
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Arrow does have one on the Arrow island. Deathstroke and someone else are locked up there.
Lian Yu is Chinese for Purgatory.
Methinks that place has been used as a prison for centuries.
Methinks that place has been used as a prison for centuries.
Well, there is a STRONG caveat-- they have to be METAhumans.
Shows like Heroes and things like SHIELD So far, in Flash Universe, not yet.
Just like we don't (or shouldn't) have a structure in place in case we have a full fledged ZOmbie APocalypse, we aren't as a society really ready to deal with metahumans, criminals or not.
They might deal with this issue in the future.
The CIA spent 80 million dollars recently to be duped into letting two frauds invent ineffective torture techniques to route out yet more terrorism from the detainees at Gitmo who'd spent years in a concrete box, who were either clueless or out of the loop.
How much less than 80 million dollars would it cost to restrain Girder?
Exactly how much does free beer for life cost?
Meanwhile if Leaving Las Vegas taught us anything, it's that 20 grand of whiskey in 3 weeks will kill even Ghostrider.
How much less than 80 million dollars would it cost to restrain Girder?
Exactly how much does free beer for life cost?
Meanwhile if Leaving Las Vegas taught us anything, it's that 20 grand of whiskey in 3 weeks will kill even Ghostrider.
Regarding locking up the meta-humans, let's remember that this is Well's idea and suggestion. The others are following him, trusting him at this point. At some point, it would be good for them to start debating the morality of the situation.
Wells conscripted Girder out of lock-up as fodder to fight Blackout. That's anything but "looking for a better alternative to killing them." Wells is up to his own scheme that involves preserving the Flash, and all we know for sure right now is that the prisoners are available as means to that end.
Yeah, we know how shady Wells is, with his non-paralysis and all.
His employees (all 2 of them) and Barry don't know that. For all Barry knows, Wells helped keep Barry alive during his coma. So sure..he made a mistake, but is otherwise trustworthy.
i think at some point the morality will come into play. I trust the writers to deal with it. They followed up on the chemistry Felicity & Barry had when they first met...i trust they can do it again.
Well if Wells is indeed Reverse Flash then if he released the metahumans in his prison he'd have a ready made army for Barry to fight.
So why does Joe go along with it?
He is the law.
Joe should be talking to the Federal government or maybe the Mayor, to make sure that the cells under Star Labs are not a permanent solution.
Amanda Waller now knows that the Flash exists.
It's not going to be too long until ARGUS Understands the nature of this problem and begins building their own prisons... HA! Eminent Domain! The Government is more than capable of taking Star Labs off Wells. Star Labs is practically an abandoned hulk, and how many class actions are targeting Wells currently? For situations exactly like this is why Eminent Domain was invented.
He is the law.
Joe should be talking to the Federal government or maybe the Mayor, to make sure that the cells under Star Labs are not a permanent solution.
Amanda Waller now knows that the Flash exists.
It's not going to be too long until ARGUS Understands the nature of this problem and begins building their own prisons... HA! Eminent Domain! The Government is more than capable of taking Star Labs off Wells. Star Labs is practically an abandoned hulk, and how many class actions are targeting Wells currently? For situations exactly like this is why Eminent Domain was invented.
Having finally now got all caught up, I want a supercut of Cisco naming the baddies so far. (And Caitlin naming the Rainbow Raider, and Cisco apologetically not-naming the yellow suit guy, and... heck, let's throw in Coulson's groan that Raina gave Scorch his name too, while we're at it. 
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Get to work, NerdNets!
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Having finally now got all caught up, I want a supercut of Cisco naming the baddies so far. (And Caitlin naming the Rainbow Raider, and Cisco apologetically not-naming the yellow suit guy, and... heck, let's throw in Coulson's groan that Raina gave Scorch his name too, while we're at it.
Get to work, NerdNets!
Here ya go.
I still thought of Peyton as Lucy Lane from Smallville, before I remembered that Tomorrow People used to be a thing.
Wow, there are two Peyton Lists out there. I thought SAG was supposed have rules preventing the confusion "I've been awake 13 minutes" me is experiencing here.
Not having watched Tomorrow People, but having kids who watch Jessie and Diary of a Wimpy Kid,, I'm familiar with the younger Peyton List and not the older one
Not having watched Tomorrow People, but having kids who watch Jessie and Diary of a Wimpy Kid,, I'm familiar with the younger Peyton List and not the older one
