Do you think they'll keep making Abramsverse movies after #3?

[Smellmet]

My gut tells me that after this next movie, big screen Trek will go dormant for a while. That's not necessarily a bad thing. Paramount milked it to death from 1987-2005, and we're lucky we got this reboot.

I seriously doubt that CBS will spend the money to put a new Trek show on the flagship network. Les Moonves is on record as saying he isn't interested in Trek on tv. I don't see it fitting into the CBS primetime lineup of procedurals and sitcoms and reality shows.

As it is, Star Trek is a cash cow for CBS and they don't have to spend a dime to rake in the proceeds from licensing. It is literally a golden goose ... or figuratively, if you're that guy. Cash cow, golden goose, mixing metaphors, whatever.

If there were to be a new series, it would probably be on a CBS owned cable channel with limited seasons, and probably in the same vein as the Abrams films. But I'm not holding my breath.

I think, to a degree, you are correct, past ST3 I cannot see the momentum continuing to sustain a successful blockbuster movie franchise, there's no guarantee of ST3 even doing Into Darkness numbers. As much as I am a big screen fan of Trek primarily (when do you ever see me in the series subforums?) Star Trek needs another shot at TV. It belongs there really and it deserves it. It's been long enough off the small screen and TV series's have moved on a lot in the last decade. The Breaking Bad generation will demand a high quality show. A different chocolate bar stuck to the alien of the week won't cut it any more.

 

[Nebusj]

Why exactly would CBS dislike them?

Because Bad Robot has left us completely in the dark about whether in the Prime universe the Romulans left on Remus after the homeworld was destroyed have formed a viable alliance with the Cardassian government-in-exile speaking for stripped Cardassian colonies to invade Velakia! How can CBS be expected to let blatant problems like that go unsolved?

 

[Set Harth]

Wasn't Remus most likely destroyed as well?

 

[Kemaiku]

Wasn't Remus most likely destroyed as well?

Since the entire system was engulfed and Remus was less than the distance to our moon away from Romulus, it's toast too.

 

[Nebusj]

Wasn't Remus most likely destroyed as well?

Since the entire system was engulfed and Remus was less than the distance to our moon away from Romulus, it's toast too.

So you assume, but, Trek 2009 speaks repeatedly and exclusively of Romulus being destroyed, never mentioning Remus, and thus we see the enormous plot hole Bad Robot can't be bothered to even try addressing. See what I mean?

 

[fireproof78]

Why exactly would CBS dislike them?

Because Bad Robot has left us completely in the dark about whether in the Prime universe the Romulans left on Remus after the homeworld was destroyed have formed a viable alliance with the Cardassian government-in-exile speaking for stripped Cardassian colonies to invade Velakia! How can CBS be expected to let blatant problems like that go unsolved?

Easy. The Romulans colonized New Romulus and left the Remans to fend for themselves. It's no a plot hole, just an unanswered question that does not demand an answer, any more than what happened the Voyager crew after they go home. How's that for an unsolved problem?

 

[F. King Daniel]

My gut tells me that after this next movie, big screen Trek will go dormant for a while. That's not necessarily a bad thing. Paramount milked it to death from 1987-2005, and we're lucky we got this reboot.

I seriously doubt that CBS will spend the money to put a new Trek show on the flagship network. Les Moonves is on record as saying he isn't interested in Trek on tv. I don't see it fitting into the CBS primetime lineup of procedurals and sitcoms and reality shows.

As it is, Star Trek is a cash cow for CBS and they don't have to spend a dime to rake in the proceeds from licensing. It is literally a golden goose ... or figuratively, if you're that guy. Cash cow, golden goose, mixing metaphors, whatever.

If there were to be a new series, it would probably be on a CBS owned cable channel with limited seasons, and probably in the same vein as the Abrams films. But I'm not holding my breath.

I think, to a degree, you are correct, past ST3 I cannot see the momentum continuing to sustain a successful blockbuster movie franchise, there's no guarantee of ST3 even doing Into Darkness numbers.

It depends entirely on how they advertize it. Based on the synopsis I'd read, I had zero enthusiasm for Terminator Genysis - until I saw the trailer. Now I can't wait!

I think with ID, made a misstep in hyping the film as dark and gritty.

 

[Smellmet]

I'm the opposite - I had a little enthusiasm for Terminator Genysis but the trailer has put me right off it.

 

[mos6507]

Been watching Star Trek for a really, really long time. What rules exactly have the Abrams films broken?

Are you serious? The limits of beaming for one, and the general lack of sense of distance. You could make a huge list of all the changes to continuity which might be construed as going beyond the leeway allowable with an alternate timeline.

You do know that a new series (or movies), even if set in the Prime universe, will look and act much more like the Abrams films than anything produced by Rick Berman and Company?

Every time there was a break in Trek, when it came back it was different. It's possible to link back up to prime continuity while still being different. There are three distinct epochs in prime continuity (TOS, TOS movie era, and TNG). All have their own feel and yet are intended to belong to the same universe. There's no reason to ape Berman Trek in every way (warts and all) just to get back to prime continuity.

 

[Dukhat]

Are you serious? The limits of beaming for one...

You mean that transwarp beaming idea Scotty had which Spock Prime helped him realize? And that they only used one time? Like all the other shit in TOS and TNG that they discovered, used one time, and never used again?

...and the general lack of sense of distance.

You mean like how quickly it took the Enterprise to get to the galactic barrier in TOS? Or the Enterprise-A to get to the center of the galaxy in TFF? Or from Earth to Genesis in deep space? Or how it only took four days at warp 5 to get from Earth to Q'onos in ENT? Or how far the sublight Botany Bay traveled before being found? Or how real stars both in TOS and TNG are way too far to be reached with the speed shown in Star Trek, even with warp speed?

Boy, this sure as hell sounds like your usual Star Trek to me.

You could make a huge list of all the changes to continuity which might be construed as going beyond the leeway allowable with an alternate timeline.

By all means, make that list. I'd love to see it.

 

[Dac]

Personally, I think warping to Q'onos in 2 minutes flat stretches the dramatic license a bit more than 4 days. Thats just me though.

As for movies beyond 3? Eeehhhh. I can't see the whole cast coming back to these roles willingly. Especially Zoe Saldana, now that shes going back to do Avatar 2, 3 AND 4, Guardians of the Galaxy 2+Whatever happens in Infinity War and is probably the biggest star out of the bunch, her schedule would be a pain to work out for any movies beyond 3, let alone the money she'd want or the willingness to return with being in several other high profile, more critically successful and money making movies.

Plus, the entire creative team between 1 and 2 have been whittled down to one person who is now sidelined in a producer role. Bad Robot have no enthusiasm for the franchise, and if the rumors of Paramount lawyering up and checking into the finances of Into Darkness are true I think the chances of even seeing a third movie are slim.

 

[xavier]

Personally, I think warping to Q'onos in 2 minutes flat stretches the dramatic license a bit more than 4 days. Thats just me though.

As for movies beyond 3? Eeehhhh. I can't see the whole cast coming back to these roles willingly. Especially Zoe Saldana, now that shes going back to do Avatar 2, 3 AND 4, Guardians of the Galaxy 2+Whatever happens in Infinity War and is probably the biggest star out of the bunch, her schedule would be a pain to work out for any movies beyond 3, let alone the money she'd want or the willingness to return with being in several other high profile, more critically successful and money making movies.

Plus, the entire creative team between 1 and 2 have been whittled down to one person who is now sidelined in a producer role. Bad Robot have no enthusiasm for the franchise, and if the rumors of Paramount lawyering up and checking into the finances of Into Darkness are true I think the chances of even seeing a third movie are slim.

I think Zoe can easily be replaced or sadly they could kill her character off but it wont be just ZOE. Apparently actors like Quinto as well may want to move on. he has been hinting of it.

 

[Visitor1982]

Hopefully Paramount will back CBS' new prime universe Star Trek TV series.

Personally, I wouldn't mind movies being made in the Abramsverse and a TV series in the prime universe (or viceversa).

For my part, both film and TV could be in the Abramsverse or the prime universe. As long as it is original, new, fresh, exciting. Solid writing, character driven. And no animation!

 

[Dukhat]

Personally, I think warping to Q'onos in 2 minutes flat stretches the dramatic license a bit more than 4 days. Thats just me though.

But that's called dramatic license. As in, "We only have a few hours to tell our story, so we're not going to get bogged down with showing just how long things take." That's why Spock's turbolift ride from Engineering to the bridge in the first film took a whopping 3 seconds, and why the trip to Qo'nos took a few minutes. It's a small sacrifice of something nobody cares about anyway to have the time to show other, more important things.

Hopefully Paramount will back CBS' new prime universe Star Trek TV series.

1. What backing? CBS doesn't need Paramount's backing for anything.

2. What series? Other than internet rumor by an extremely unreliable source, there's no evidence whatsoever that CBS is making a prime universe Trek series. Or any Trek series, for that matter.

 

[Visitor1982]

Regarding CBS not liking Abramsverse.

Why would CBS throwaway something (prime universe series) that is still very profitable for them and replace it with something that at least a portion of the fanbase is against (not me btw).

They still earn tens of millions each year from all the TOS, TNG and other series' stuff. CBS wants to capitalize on it. The Abramsverse movies, especially the 2nd one, haven't made that much money in the end at all. So CBS wants to play it safe with the prime universe, a universe no one will be against they feel.

Apparently they are also not happy Bad Robot used prime Spock in their movies. They vehemently objected to Shatner being used. He could only be used as an older Pine-Kirk, not as a prime universe Kirk.

Everything connected to prime universe Star Trek is owned by CBS. The only thing they did was sign a non compete contract for tens of millions of Dollars not to start a new prime universe TV series... That contract expires next month and they won't renew the contract, on the contrary...

Of course: everything written above is from unofficial sources. I choose to believe it, but I can't proof it. It might all be bogus. We'll have to wait and see...

 

[Dukhat]

Of course: everything written above is from unofficial sources.

Quoted for relevance.

 

[The Wormhole]

Apparently they are also not happy Bad Robot used prime Spock in their movies. They vehemently objected to Shatner being used. He could only be used as an older Pine-Kirk, not as a prime universe Kirk.

If CBS had a problem with Spock Prime being in the Abrams movies, they could have prevented it. Like they did when Abrams wanted the Prime Universe's Federation also destroyed in 2387.

And the only reason we didn't see Kirk Prime was because a agreement couldn't be reached between Abrams and Shatner. This is public fact confirmed by both Abrams and Shatner. Shatner has even publicly criticized Abrams about it, and Abrams has responded to these criticisms. CBS had nothing to do with it.

 

[BillJ]

Why would CBS throwaway something (prime universe series) that is still very profitable for them and replace it with something that at least a portion of the fanbase is against (not me btw).

And you have a portion of the fanbase against going back to the Prime Universe (I am). That chapter has been closed. People talk about only going forward but at the same time moan and groan about how it needs to be done in the Prime Universe.

They talk out of both sides of their collective mouths. Just like fan films complain about the Abrams films being full of "pew-pew" but then turn around and fill their films full of the same thing.

They still earn tens of millions each year from all the TOS, TNG and other series' stuff. CBS wants to capitalize on it. The Abramsverse movies, especially the 2nd one, haven't made that much money in the end at all. So CBS wants to play it safe with the prime universe, a universe no one will be against they feel.

They earn tens of millions per year with little to no investment. They may swallow pretty hard when they see what it actually costs to keep up with shows like Game of Thrones and Walking Dead.

Apparently they are also not happy Bad Robot used prime Spock in their movies. They vehemently objected to Shatner being used. He could only be used as an older Pine-Kirk, not as a prime universe Kirk.

Post proof or retract.

Everything connected to prime universe Star Trek is owned by CBS. The only thing they did was sign a non compete contract for tens of millions of Dollars not to start a new prime universe TV series... That contract expires next month and they won't renew the contract, on the contrary...

Post proof or retract.

Of course: everything written above is from unofficial sources. I choose to believe it, but I can't proof it. It might all be bogus. We'll have to wait and see...

The disclaimer: I honestly have no idea what the fuck I'm talking about.

 

[shapeshifter]

For many of us Star Trek was about and an inspiration for our futures in the life and career we pursued. It was not just for entertainment, but for the hopes of our future and meaning in our lives. The stories were simple, the effects and acting were sometimes cheesy, but we got past that and saw the heart of it. Today's movies are by far superior in every way to the show, but in someone else's Universe just for entertainment, it has no relevance or hope for me or my children. If you want to go see movies for entertainment, that's fine. We do too. But Star Trek is becoming like the ex-spouse. You still believe in love and want to find someone with meaning. But the one you knew let you down and you just move on to anyone else but them.

"Trekkies"

I Grok but come on, did you miss the memo? All hopes and dreams of Trek saving the world died along time ago.

Every time there was a break in Trek, when it came back it was different. It's possible to link back up to prime continuity while still being different. There are three distinct epochs in prime continuity (TOS, TOS movie era, and TNG). All have their own feel and yet are intended to belong to the same universe. There's no reason to ape Berman Trek in every way (warts and all) just to get back to prime continuity.

I agree - just as Nero destroying Vulcan is being used to 'explain' changes in the nuverse, how about Romulus being destroyed in the prime to explain changes there...

All sense of peace and stability in the quadrant must have been dealt a horrible blow with that event so there is a prime reason, for attitudes and events there to be altered to match the energy and pacing of the alternate.

 

[Set Harth]

And that they only used one time?

They apparently used it a second time, to beam onto the Narada from Titan.

Personally, I think warping to Q'onos in 2 minutes flat stretches the dramatic license a bit more than 4 days.

IMO the problem isn't with the trip to Kronos ( which allows a somewhat indeterminate amount of time given the film's editing ) but with the return trip to Earth ( which happens at Ludicrous Speed ).