MLB Offseason 2014-15: Wait, pitchers and catchers report WHEN?
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I wouldn't call it obvious, but I would say it's highly likely that tampering occurred.
It needs to be said again that Theo is a PR god, and he would have stayed in Boston if Henry and Lucchino hadn't taken control of a lot of stuff (the Crawford contract being a big example) and started lowballing players -- they generally try to go below-market nowadays because ~RINGS~, which is why they keep pissing Ortiz off by giving him one-year deals and whiffed on Lester.
Who the fuck cares? Wow, he's getting paid. Believe it or not, people actually like to, you know, do things in their chosen profession. And lying to someone about him being about being able to continue doing things in his chosen profession is an incredibly shitty thing to do. (And don't throw the "vote of confidence" thing back at me -- it's very often that owners / GMs say "so-and-so is our guy," just to quell the media storm; it's another thing to say "so-and-so is definitively returning next year.")
What pass did they get? Where's the wrong-doing? It seems you have an axe to grind since their record or whatever they've done historically has absolutely no bearing on what's happened here.
Nobody with a brain blames goats or Bartman. Certainly nobody in the front office.
So obvious nothing's come out of the investigation.
To quote you, who the fuck cares if you think there's a difference between the two? There's not.
I'm sure RR is quite happy he's getting paid per his contract.
Why has there been no fallout given the claims that the Cubs tampered with Maddon? Why hasn't their organization been taken to task for its treatment of Renteria?
My point exactly.
Yes, there is.
And I'm sure he'd be happier if he were managing next season. As has been pointed out, most people like to do their jobs rather than get paid to do nothing.
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Believe it or not, professionals do not generally enjoy getting paid to sit at home.
There's an investigation. It hasn't found anything. Do you want them to be punished for your outrage? Taken to task? Are you kidding?
Uh...ok.
No, there's really not. Your wishing doesn't make it so. End result's the same.
Oh, I'm sure he'd prefer he was the manager. Unfortunately he doesn't get to choose that. There are no guarantees of holding the position, only that he'll get paid the money he was due.
I love this manufactured outrage. Unfortunate situation, yes. Kidnapping the Lindbergh baby? Not quite.
No, it's not. Renteria managing next season would have afforded him the opportunity to continue helping the Cubs improve, which may have netted him a contract extension and more money.
His not managing next season--and his firing under strange circumstances--means he'll be paid for the duration of his contract (or whatever amount he and the Cubs agreed to), but no more than that. What's more, there's no guarantee he gets another managerial job because of the way this was handled by the Cubs brass.
Anyone with a shred of common sense should be able to tell that Renteria was treated unfairly, but the majority of the general public has its head up its ass when it comes to situations like this. And as baseball has always operated via an extended Good Ole' Boys Network, it's unlikely that someone like Renteria's given the benefit of the doubt and allowed to manage again at the Major League level--all because Theo Epstein lied to him. And you're telling me it doesn't make a difference because he's still getting his money?
--Sran
Few people would confuse "Ozzie Guillen" with "professional."
And he also might've spit the bit and ended up getting fired anyway. Which is more likely?
Do you truly think that how this played out reflected negatively on RR such that his career will suffer? If anything the class he showed is a boon to him.
I'm telling you if you think this affected his future managerial prospects (which only existed because the Cubs hired him as a manager after a lifetime of *not* being in that position) you don't have a shred of common sense. RR came out of this smelling like roses AND got fired without really having a chance to fail and thus sully his reputation or future prospects.
Hell, some day Joe Maddon will be fired. You get hired to get fired in sports.
Nothing about Ozzie Guillen even remotely fits the definition of professional. Had he not succeeded in baseball, he'd have likely gotten himself killed as a result of his big mouth and bad attitude.
--Sran
Well, he's got a ring, which neither Maddon nor RR do as managers.
...and Melky Cabrera to the White Sox. 3 years, $45 mil.
Nor do the vast majority of managers in the league, which makes your point ... what, exactly?
It's actually $42 million, but I think that speaks to just how incredibly shitty this year's free-agent class is. Cabrera is basically the textbook definition of a league-average bat who only puts it all together in contract years, and yet he's somehow worth $14 million a year. Jesus.
Cabrera averaged an 86 OPS+ during his time in New York (and I'm excluding his brief cup of coffee in 2005 so as to not drag the numbers down even further), a number which is substantially below league-average and even below replacement-level. Slap hitters can be an asset if they provide elite defense at a vital position ... and as a corner outfielder, Cabrera does not provide that in the slightest. The Yankees were better off for his departure. (Well, they would be ... except they're paying Carlos fuckin' Beltran.
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Cabrera averaged an 86 OPS+ during his time in New York (and I'm excluding his brief cup of coffee in 2005 so as to not drag the numbers down even further), a number which is substantially below league-average and even below replacement-level. Slap hitters can be an asset if they provide elite defense at a vital position ... and as a corner outfielder, Cabrera does not provide that in the slightest. The Yankees were better off for his departure. (Well, they would be ... except they're paying Carlos fuckin' Beltran.
I know the numbers. Melky had a habit of getting hits when we needed them. And like you say, getting Beltran 6 years too late wasn't the answer.
All sorts of x-Yankees I never wanted to see leave on the White Sox.
Cabrera averaged an 86 OPS+ during his time in New York (and I'm excluding his brief cup of coffee in 2005 so as to not drag the numbers down even further), a number which is substantially below league-average and even below replacement-level. Slap hitters can be an asset if they provide elite defense at a vital position ... and as a corner outfielder, Cabrera does not provide that in the slightest. The Yankees were better off for his departure. (Well, they would be ... except they're paying Carlos fuckin' Beltran.
I know the numbers. Melky had a habit of getting hits when we needed them. And like you say, getting Beltran 6 years too late wasn't the answer.
You were a fan of the Beltran signing.
Edit: And a player having "a habit of getting hits when we needed them" isn't statistically true. That doesn't happen. It's luck.
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