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I changed my mind. Trek must Boldly move Forward.

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xavier

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Before I was open to the idea of some of the old crew making cameos but with the slight problems trek is in because of constant director change and script and how some fans want Frakes to return has got me thinking.

I dont want Star Trek 3 to have anything to do with old trek and that means, I dont want a shatner cameo, a nimoy cameo or a plot that is similar to old trek and frakes as a director.

Star trek has to move forward and not keep looking back and taking a piece of the past with them, to me personally it is not just good for the franchise.

Why must the old casts make cameos anyway, why must we get an old director who only directed one great trek film nearly 20 years ago?

the whole purpose of NU trek was to be a reboot set in an ALTERNATE UNIVERSE where anything goes and more importantly the fate of this new crew is not dependent on what happened to them in their past lives which is why the rehash of kirk dying like spock dying in STID made little sense to me.

I believe star trek 3 should BOLDLY move forward and not look back. to me enough is enough. I tend to think people some want Frakes back for Nostalgic reasons but logically Egdar is the better choice. he is more experienced, he is very critically acclaimed and can handle big budget films and that is why I am putting nostalgia aside and choosing him over Frakes.

no more rehashes and no more of the those in control feeling obligated to put the past actors in the new films except maybe for Nimoy because he played a great part and TOS Spock was very important in star trek 2009 but there is no reason for TOS Kirk or TOS sulu or TOS uhura to make appearances in trek 3 or for Frakes to direct just because he directed one good film like I said...20 years ago.

Its time to move forward. in every possible way and that includes not hiring an old director like Frakes when there are so many modern talented directors out there and yes not bringing the great Shat back.

If Micheal Keaton can let batman go and let other actors like Bale and Affleck have their shot then so can Shanter. He too should let Kirk go and let Chris Pine have his shot without Shatner stealing his thunder.

Trek should learn from MCU, Apparently if Marvel gets the rights back to spiderman, they are going to let go of Andrew Garfield and Webb's spiderman films and start fresh and not look back to any of the old films and this is one of the reasons why MCU has been so successful.

DC has even done the same with batman, the nolan trilogy is done and dusted and is in its own self contained alternate universe and now they are starting all over again with ben affleck as batman who will be in DC's cinematic universe.

Trek must follow the same lead. Its gets very frustrating when comic films are using the alternate universe theory a lot better than a great sci fi franchise like star trek.
 
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Before I was open to the idea of some of the old crew making cameos but with the slight problems trek is in because of constant director change and script and how some fans want Frakes to return has got me thinking.

I dont want Star Trek 3 to have anything to do with old trek and that means, I dont want a shatner cameo, a nimoy cameo or a plot that is similar to old trek and frakes as a director.

Star trek has to move forward and not keep looking back and taking a piece of the past with them, to me personally it is not just good for the franchise.

Why must the old casts make cameos anyway, why must we get an old director who only directed one great trek film nearly 20 years ago?

the whole purpose of NU trek was to be a reboot set in an ALTERNATE UNIVERSE where anything goes and more importantly the fate of this new crew is not dependent on what happened to them in their past lives which is why the rehash of kirk dying like spock dying in STID made little sense to me.

I believe star trek 3 should BOLDLY move forward and not look back. to me enough is enough. I tend to think people some want Frakes back for Nostalgic reasons but logically Egdar is the better choice. he is more experience, he is very critically acclaimed and can handle big budget films and that is why I am putting nostalgia aside and choosing him over Frakes.

no more rehashes and no more of the those in control feeling obligated to put the past actors in the new films expect maybe for Nimoy because he played a great part and TOS Spock was very important in star trek 2009 but there is no reason for TOS Kirk or TOS sulu or TOS uhura to make appearances in trek 3 or for Frakes to direct just because he directed one good film like I said...20 years ago.

Its time to move forward. in every possible way and that includes not hiring an old director like Frakes when there are so many modern talented directors out there and yes not bringing the great Shat back.

If Micheal Keaton can let batman go and let other actors like Bale and Affleck have their shot then so can Shanter. He too should let Kirk go and let Chris Pine have his shot without Shatner stealing his thunder.

Trek should learn from MCU, Apparently if Marvel gets the right back to spiderman, they are going to let go of Andrew Garfield and Webb's spiderman films and start fresh and not look back to any of the old films and this is one of the reasons why MCU has been so successful.

DC has even done the same with batman, the nolan trilogy is done and dusted and is in it so self contained alternate universe and now they are starting all over again with ben affleck as batman who will be in DC's cinematic universe.

Trek must follow the same lead. Its gets very frustrating when comic films are using the alternate universe theory a lot better than a great sci fi franchise like star trek.

At the end of the day, the inclusion of Shatner in ST3, what it all boils down to is fanwank - nothing more, and I have a strong suspicion that the story and flow of the movie would suffer trying to shoehorn the guy in. Casual moviegoers won't give a shit that he's in it, they just want to be entertained.

Nimoy's inclusion however, is justified, his role in ST09 was pivotal to the story and was integrated into the film neatly and without distracting from the new cast members who had big shoes to fill. The Skype call to old Spock in STID was less necessary, and the film wouldn't have suffered without it, but it ultimately didn't bother me. Old Spock is already part of this new continuity, but I'd still probably prefer him not to be in it. Maybe a cameo the length of what he did in STID but nothing more.

Unless Shatner can be integrated into the movie in a seamless fashion, and by that I mean for the love of god, NO Nexus, then I'm just not interested in seeing him in the flick. I agree with most of your post to be honest, and I fear that it's the inward-looking thinking to please the fans which has got the franchise in trouble in the past. Star Trek need a bit of clarity to move forward and for me that means advancing the JJ universe. I hear there's fans wanting season 5 of Enterprise or another show set in the Prime universe. These things would surely just confuse the casual viewer who has been pulled in due to the success of Star Trek and Star Trek Into Darkness.
 
If Micheal Keaton can let batman go and let other actors like Bale and Affleck have their shot then so can Shanter. He too should let Kirk go and let Chris Pine have his shot without Shatner stealing his thunder.

1. I don't think Michael Keaton had much choice in the matter.

2. Michael Keaton wasn't playing Batman since 1966 onward like Shatner was playing Kirk.

3. If all Shatner does is play an older version of Pine's Kirk for a five minute cameo, I don't see why that's such a big deal. Nimoy didn't steal Quinto's thunder by being in the movies.
 
It's going to be the 50th anniversary movie... bring in Shatner for that movie and then let all the odies rest forever away from Trek.
 
It's going to be the 50th anniversary movie... bring in Shatner for that movie and then let all the odies rest forever away from Trek.


there are other ways to celebrate trek's 50th anniversary than shoehorning the old characters in the new film. I dont think it is a good idea especially coming off STID ,a film that was heavily influenced by wrath of khan.
 
It's going to be the 50th anniversary movie... bring in Shatner for that movie and then let all the odies rest forever away from Trek.


there are other ways to celebrate trek's 50th anniversary than shoehorning the old characters in the new film. I dont think it is a good idea especially coming off STID ,a film that was heavily influenced by wrath of khan.

I agree. it is time for the nu crew to move on on their own
 
If all Shatner does is play an older version of Pine's Kirk for a five minute cameo, I don't see why that's such a big deal. Nimoy didn't steal Quinto's thunder by being in the movies.

This is the only way I'd like to see him in the movie. Any other way will be too problematic, and will probably result in a contrived, muddled time travel plot that could spoil the movie.

Have him in by all means, but it cannot be at the expense or a distraction to the main plot. It needs to be neatly integrated into the narrative the same way the Neo incursion was in ST09.
 
xavier said:
Trek should learn from MCU
You mean, make endless references back to itself and it's origins? Cos that's exactly what you hate about the AbramsTrek movies! The only difference is that one origin is in comics and the other TV and film.
 
xavier said:
Trek should learn from MCU
You mean, make endless references back to itself and it's origins? Cos that's exactly what you hate about the AbramsTrek movies! The only difference is that one origin is in comics and the other TV and film.


No, you could not be more wrong. I love Abrams trek. I love and adore star trek 2009, to me that film is already a sci classic. I just feel STID was a huge step back and I would love to see it move forward.

I am not personally a fan of MCU, I find their films are more about explosion and swag than about story. However I greatly admire their business strategy, they take risk and dont look bad and this is what I want for Abrams trek.
 
I changed my mind. Trek must Boldly move Forward.
Before I was open to the idea of some of the old crew making cameos but with the slight problems trek is in because of constant director change and script and how some fans want Frakes to return has got me thinking.

I dont want Star Trek 3 to have anything to do with old trek and that means, I dont want a shatner cameo, a nimoy cameo or a plot that is similar to old trek and frakes as a director.

Star trek has to move forward and not keep looking back and taking a piece of the past with them, to me personally it is not just good for the franchise.

Why must the old casts make cameos anyway, why must we get an old director who only directed one great trek film nearly 20 years ago?

the whole purpose of NU trek was to be a reboot set in an ALTERNATE UNIVERSE where anything goes and more importantly the fate of this new crew is not dependent on what happened to them in their past lives which is why the rehash of kirk dying like spock dying in STID made little sense to me.

I believe star trek 3 should BOLDLY move forward and not look back. to me enough is enough. I tend to think people some want Frakes back for Nostalgic reasons but logically Egdar is the better choice. he is more experienced, he is very critically acclaimed and can handle big budget films and that is why I am putting nostalgia aside and choosing him over Frakes.

no more rehashes and no more of the those in control feeling obligated to put the past actors in the new films except maybe for Nimoy because he played a great part and TOS Spock was very important in star trek 2009 but there is no reason for TOS Kirk or TOS sulu or TOS uhura to make appearances in trek 3 or for Frakes to direct just because he directed one good film like I said...20 years ago.

Its time to move forward. in every possible way and that includes not hiring an old director like Frakes when there are so many modern talented directors out there and yes not bringing the great Shat back.

If Micheal Keaton can let batman go and let other actors like Bale and Affleck have their shot then so can Shanter. He too should let Kirk go and let Chris Pine have his shot without Shatner stealing his thunder.

Trek should learn from MCU, Apparently if Marvel gets the rights back to spiderman, they are going to let go of Andrew Garfield and Webb's spiderman films and start fresh and not look back to any of the old films and this is one of the reasons why MCU has been so successful.

DC has even done the same with batman, the nolan trilogy is done and dusted and is in its own self contained alternate universe and now they are starting all over again with ben affleck as batman who will be in DC's cinematic universe.

Trek must follow the same lead. Its gets very frustrating when comic films are using the alternate universe theory a lot better than a great sci fi franchise like star trek.

It's going to be the 50th anniversary movie... bring in Shatner for that movie and then let all the odies rest forever away from Trek.


there are other ways to celebrate trek's 50th anniversary than shoehorning the old characters in the new film. I dont think it is a good idea especially coming off STID ,a film that was heavily influenced by wrath of khan.

xavier said:
Trek should learn from MCU
You mean, make endless references back to itself and it's origins? Cos that's exactly what you hate about the AbramsTrek movies! The only difference is that one origin is in comics and the other TV and film.


No, you could not be more wrong. I love Abrams trek. I love and adore star trek 2009, to me that film is already a sci classic. I just feel STID was a huge step back and I would love to see it move forward.

I am not personally a fan of MCU, I find their films are more about explosion and swag than about story. However I greatly admire their business strategy, they take risk and dont look bad and this is what I want for Abrams trek.
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This thread isn't about the movie. It isn't even especially about Star Trek.
[highlight]I[/highlight] changed my mind.

Before [highlight]I[/highlight] was open

[highlight]I[/highlight] dont want

[highlight]I[/highlight] dont want

to [highlight]me[/highlight] personally

[highlight]I[/highlight] believe... to me... [highlight]I[/highlight] tend to think

that is why [highlight]I[/highlight] am putting nostalgia aside and choosing

[highlight]I[/highlight] dont think

No, you could not be more wrong. [highlight]I[/highlight] love... [highlight]I[/highlight] love and adore ... to [highlight]me[/highlight]... [highlight]I[/highlight] just feel... and [highlight]I[/highlight] would love to see it

[highlight]I[/highlight] am not personally... [highlight]I[/highlight] find... However [highlight]I[/highlight] greatly admire... and this is what [highlight]I[/highlight] want
This is not a discussion topic. This thread is all about you.

Everything here is "I... I... I... me... me... me - I dont want... I am choosing... this is what I want". It's just one more meandering blog entry of the sort I've asked you several times before not to post as a thread, because you haven't decided what you want people to talk about. Your two subsequent responses to posts by others amount to little more than: "No, this is what I want" and "No, you're wrong".

That's not the way a discussion thread works, and this thread is now closed.
 
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