STID's Khan was not sexy

[eyeresist]

But did he demonstrate his superiority in any way, other than lifting people off the ground?

 

[Kemaiku]

But did he demonstrate his superiority in any way, other than lifting people off the ground?

In TWOK he lifts that girder larger than him made of who knows what superstrong metal from the bridge support structure of Joachim, with his hands.

Crushes Kirk's phaser in Space Seed, just by squeezing it.

Kirk pummels him with a solid metal control rod from the engine room with enough force to have broken every bone in a normal mans body and caused massive internal bleeding, Khan is barely bruised.

The combined weight of Chekov, his equipment, his EVA suit being lifted with such ease.

Just the odd show of strength when he really needed to.

 

[eyeresist]

What I'd like to see is Khan as a genius strategist. They should keep bringing him back until they get it right

 

[Jedi_Master]

To the OP: my wife strongly disagrees.

 

[Makarov]

The Khan comic is really great for showing how he's very much a bad guy before the events of Into Darkness.

Space Seed Khan > STID Khan > Wrath of Khan Khan

 

[sonak]

nuKhan was a far better villain than Nero. Nero was a one-note psycho with motivations that made no sense at all.(He blames Spock, who was the ONE guy doing the most to help the Romulans???)

Khan in contrast had at least decent motivations and some charisma as well.

I thought Cumberbatch's Khan was the best Trek movie villain since the Borg Queen.

 

[fireproof78]

I like Khan and think he is a well done character in ID. Nero is more fascinating to me from a psychological perspective in terms of what has happened to him in order to drive him so insane. Khan is psychotic while Nero has been driven clinically insane by the loss of his world. He may not make logical sense in terms of blaming Spock, but I think that is the point. He isn't logical, he isn't rational, he cannot be negotiated with because he disconnected with reality so much. He exists in contrast to a statement by Sarek to young Spock:
Sarek: "Emotions run deep within our race. In many ways more deeply than in humans. Logic offers a serenity humans seldom experience. The control of feelings so that they do not control you."

Fascinating stuff, to me.

 

[sonak]

I like Khan and think he is a well done character in ID. Nero is more fascinating to me from a psychological perspective in terms of what has happened to him in order to drive him so insane. Khan is psychotic while Nero has been driven clinically insane by the loss of his world. He may not make logical sense in terms of blaming Spock, but I think that is the point. He isn't logical, he isn't rational, he cannot be negotiated with because he disconnected with reality so much. He exists in contrast to a statement by Sarek to young Spock:
Sarek: "Emotions run deep within our race. In many ways more deeply than in humans. Logic offers a serenity humans seldom experience. The control of feelings so that they do not control you."

Fascinating stuff, to me.

I don't know, disconnected from reality to the point of not being able to negotiate or reason with him screams "mad dog" to me, not three-dimensional character.

It's why I've never found the Joker to be very interesting as a villain, and I think that villains like Lex Luthor or Magneto are much cooler.

 

[fireproof78]

But, imagining what would force such a break in reality is what is the more interesting story. Nero is a simple miner, one who just lost everything, even though someone promised it wouldn't happen. Then, it still happened. I don't know about you, but I think I would break with reality too, and fixate on the person who said they would stop it. History is filled with people who have done similar things.

In addition, Nero serves as an interesting reflection of what Spock could become, just like Marcus serves as an example of what Kirk could become.

Like I said, it may not be interesting to everyone, but it is interesting psychology study for me

 

[Makarov]

Nero was really good but he's kind of been done a lot. A guy loses his family and becomes the hero / villain. I don't think Khan's type of character has been done as much in movies.

 

[Amaris]

But, imagining what would force such a break in reality is what is the more interesting story. Nero is a simple miner, one who just lost everything, even though someone promised it wouldn't happen. Then, it still happened. I don't know about you, but I think I would break with reality too, and fixate on the person who said they would stop it. History is filled with people who have done similar things.

In addition, Nero serves as an interesting reflection of what Spock could become, just like Marcus serves as an example of what Kirk could become.

Like I said, it may not be interesting to everyone, but it is interesting psychology study for me

I liked Nero as a villain. His use of "Hi <name>, I'm Nero," just left a chill down my spine, because it was the most conversational tone coming from a man who had just slaughtered thousands or millions of innocents like he was taking out the laundry. It would be like Charles Manson casually asking you how your day went. There's no way you can answer it without being fearful of setting off the emotional dynamite.