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STID's Khan was not sexy
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<- Supposed to be sexy?
Yeah, it's more than looks alone. It was the swagger, confidence, and presence, too. Especially Montalban as Khan in "Space Seed". It's how Tony Kornheiser metaphorically desribed the affect the late Ben Bradlee had on a room when he walked in, even into his seventies: everything stopped, and the men took one step back while the women took one step towards him. Some got it, some don't.
As far as that pic being sexy goes, I wouldn't mind looking like that at age 61 (Montalban's age when the movie was being shot).
But any sexiness was eliminated by his weird speech impediment.
This.
That would leave Uhura as a part of the triangle. Unless it involved three men.
<- Supposed to be sexy?
He's great, he's like something out of a Frazetta painting!
He crushed a dude's skull with his hands, shot up a room full of Starfleet officers, blew up an entire building killing at least hundreds and tried to destory the Enterprise.
Am sorry not evil for you?
Someone suggested that it was a gag, made especially for Abrams' bit on Conan. No idea if that's true or not. It's not among the ID deleted scenes (not that that means much, we know a scene with Kirk's mom was shot in the Kelvin sickbay, as well as with Nero's wife in a field for ST'09, neither of which have been released)borgboy said:
Yes until then he was a nice guy.
Unless you worked for Section 31 or were one of those senior officers he killed or were one of the Klingons he wiped out.
I'm sure he had no intentions of betraying Kirk until Kirk stunned him on The Vengeance.
I'm glad though Khan did not use his sexiness to 'turn' a female crew member. But a bit more charisma and less menace would have been nice IMO.
^ Maybe in the next movie there can be a scene of Kirk sitting in his quarters watching a recording of Khan in the shower on his monitor?
``Captain Kirk. I see your experiences on the frontier have made you ... ... ... creepy.''
^ Maybe in the next movie there can be a scene of Kirk sitting in his quarters watching a recording of Khan in the shower on his monitor?
``Captain Kirk. I see your experiences on the frontier have made you ... ... ... creepy.''
Reminds me of a joke from SF Debris:
"Now, if you'll excuse me, it's the Barrett's anniversary and I have a date with a re-purposed security camera."
Personally, I enjoy Cumberbatch's performance, and have done so since "Amazing Grace." Khan is just another nerd fun time for me, and the way he carries himself is just a quiet menace. Everything he said carried with it a certain weight, and just the right amount of danger.
His soliloquy at Kirk in the bring is one of my favorite moments
Yeah, I like Khan, and would even put him in the "sexy" category.
Yes until then he was a nice guy.
Unless you worked for Section 31 or were one of those senior officers he killed or were one of the Klingons he wiped out.
I'm sure he had no intentions of betraying Kirk until Kirk stunned him on The Vengeance.
One of the things I liked most about STID is that Khan didn't betray Kirk.
Kirk betrayed Khan. Maybe Kirk was right to order Scotty to stun Khan. Maybe Khan was plotting, waiting for the right moment, but we don't know.
Yes until then he was a nice guy.
Unless you worked for Section 31 or were one of those senior officers he killed or were one of the Klingons he wiped out.
I'm sure he had no intentions of betraying Kirk until Kirk stunned him on The Vengeance.
One of the things I liked most about STID is that Khan didn't betray Kirk.
Kirk betrayed Khan. Maybe Kirk was right to order Scotty to stun Khan. Maybe Khan was plotting, waiting for the right moment, but we don't know.
Well, there was never anything to betray. Kirk made it clear he would still do everything he could to see that Khan would be brought to justice and receive the full punishment possible, even if he cooperated. What's true is at that moment, Khan needed to get Marcus out of the way as much as Kirk did, so it was a momentary truce or alliance of convenience. I think both knew the hostilities between them would start up again after they beat Marcus.
However, it probably did stun Khan (pun intended) that Kirk was sly enough to turn on him, first.
Yes until then he was a nice guy.
Unless you worked for Section 31 or were one of those senior officers he killed or were one of the Klingons he wiped out.
I'm sure he had no intentions of betraying Kirk until Kirk stunned him on The Vengeance.
One of the things I liked most about STID is that Khan didn't betray Kirk.
Kirk betrayed Khan. Maybe Kirk was right to order Scotty to stun Khan. Maybe Khan was plotting, waiting for the right moment, but we don't know.
Well, there was never anything to betray. Kirk made it clear he would still do everything he could to see that Khan would be brought to justice and receive the full punishment possible, even if he cooperated. What's true is at that moment, Khan needed to get Marcus out of the way as much as Kirk did, so it was a momentary truce or alliance of convenience. I think both knew the hostilities between them would start up again after they beat Marcus.
However, it probably did stun Khan (pun intended) that Kirk was sly enough to turn on him, first.
James T. Kirk: The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Spock: An Arabic proverb attributed to a prince who was betrayed and decapitated by his own subjects.
James T. Kirk: Well, still, it's a hell of a quote.
I love this back and forth and the question of what side Khan actually is on. It is part of the appeal of Cumberbatch. He is able to sound sincere as he states that they left Earth because people were not ready for what he was trying to lead humanity too.
This could be construed as blasphemous even on this board but I think I prefer the STID Khan to ST2 Khan.
In my mind there is no doubt that Montalban plays the character with much more Shakespearean charisma but his Khan never truly lived up to the hype of what Khan was suppose to be.
While the original Khan showed elements of his super human nature and his cruelty it never fully manifested the way it was with Cumberbatch.
And even CumberKhan needed to be fooled but even then that wasn't his undoing as a matter of fact they never made Benny's Khan look as foolish as OG Khan who lived through the 90's but still didn't know that space was three dimensional.
In my mind there is no doubt that Montalban plays the character with much more Shakespearean charisma but his Khan never truly lived up to the hype of what Khan was suppose to be.
While the original Khan showed elements of his super human nature and his cruelty it never fully manifested the way it was with Cumberbatch.
And even CumberKhan needed to be fooled but even then that wasn't his undoing as a matter of fact they never made Benny's Khan look as foolish as OG Khan who lived through the 90's but still didn't know that space was three dimensional.
^ I agree Khan 2 was more superhuman than Khan 1, who just made great speeches.
Khan 2 was forced by Marcus to do evil things. Then he saved our heroes (defeated a platoon of Klingons by standing still). Then he was captured and we felt sorry for him. Then he worked with our heroes and we liked him. Then Spock 1 said he was evil and he started being evil. Character development!
Wut?
Khan 2 was forced by Marcus to do evil things. Then he saved our heroes (defeated a platoon of Klingons by standing still). Then he was captured and we felt sorry for him. Then he worked with our heroes and we liked him. Then Spock 1 said he was evil and he started being evil. Character development!
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