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Star Wars: Episode VII: The Nerd Rage Awakens

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^ The person providing that narration is Andy Serkis. This has been unequivocally confirmed.

Anyway, I don't understand why I'm seemingly the only person who's bothered by the fact that we've gotten a teaser/announcement trailer for the movie before we even know what it's actually supposed to be about.
 
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I am hoping more than anything that this is directed in such a way that the characters feel real again.

Big action scenes and chemistry aside, there were more subtle things about the original trilogy - how the people act - that I always liked, that made the galaxy feel real. Like when Han and Leia are in the Anoad system looking at a screen figuring out where to go from there. We never see the screen, just the light as it reflect's on Han's face. Even after he has decided where to go, he files through one or two more images before shutting the monitor off, and the light on his face from the monitor is gone. It's so subtle, but it just is an extra bit of realism..their technology is just as familiar to them as ours is to us, and the people making the film hardly need to show us everything. Ford's acting really sells it.
 
Re: New Casting and Story Rumors re: EPISODE VII

^ The person providing that narration is Andy Serkis. This has been unequivocally confirmed.

Anyway, I don't understand why I'm seemingly the only person who's bothered by the fact that we've gotten a teaser/announcement trailer for the movie before we even know what it's actually supposed to be about.

Because a "tease" in this context means "tempting".
 
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Yeah it's funny after all that, we still know as little about the story as we did before. Other than the fact Boyega is apparently a former Stormtrooper.

We really don't even know that. All we know is that he's wearing Stormtrooper armor. He may be posing as a Stormtrooper like Han and Luke did in ANH.


I am hoping more than anything that this is directed in such a way that the characters feel real again.

Big action scenes and chemistry aside, there were more subtle things about the original trilogy - how the people act - that I always liked, that made the galaxy feel real. Like when Han and Leia are in the Anoad system looking at a screen figuring out where to go from there. We never see the screen, just the light as it reflect's on Han's face. Even after he has decided where to go, he files through one or two more images before shutting the monitor off, and the light on his face from the monitor is gone. It's so subtle, but it just is an extra bit of realism..their technology is just as familiar to them as ours is to us, and the people making the film hardly need to show us everything. Ford's acting really sells it.

I know what you mean. If the same scene had occurred in the Prequels, it would have been accompanied by an elaborate CGI graphic showing us what Han was looking at. It would have been undoubtedly cool-looking, but completely unnecessary. A big part of the Original Trilogy's magic comes from the balancing act they pulled off between showing and not showing. They showed us a huge spectacle, sure, but somehow what they didn't show was just as important. It implied an even bigger universe than what we were already seeing.
 
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The shots that seem to fit the style of JJ's direction the most are the three stormtrooper shots. Stormtroopers are iconic, but I don't think they'd ever looked this threatening before
 
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Yeah it's funny after all that, we still know as little about the story as we did before. Other than the fact Boyega is apparently a former Stormtrooper.

We really don't even know that. All we know is that he's wearing Stormtrooper armor. He may be posing as a Stormtrooper like Han and Luke did in ANH.


I am hoping more than anything that this is directed in such a way that the characters feel real again.

Big action scenes and chemistry aside, there were more subtle things about the original trilogy - how the people act - that I always liked, that made the galaxy feel real. Like when Han and Leia are in the Anoad system looking at a screen figuring out where to go from there. We never see the screen, just the light as it reflect's on Han's face. Even after he has decided where to go, he files through one or two more images before shutting the monitor off, and the light on his face from the monitor is gone. It's so subtle, but it just is an extra bit of realism..their technology is just as familiar to them as ours is to us, and the people making the film hardly need to show us everything. Ford's acting really sells it.

I know what you mean. If the same scene had occurred in the Prequels, it would have been accompanied by an elaborate CGI graphic showing us what Han was looking at. It would have been undoubtedly cool-looking, but completely unnecessary. A big part of the Original Trilogy's magic comes from the balancing act they pulled off between showing and not showing. They showed us a huge spectacle, sure, but somehow what they didn't show was just as important. It implied an even bigger universe than what we were already seeing.
That's the problem with modern movies: stuff like that is cheap and easy to do now, so they do it. Back then, stuff like that was extremely expensive and hard to do. So they had to decide what is actually important to a scene and what isn't. So older movies hide a lot more, and modern movies show everything. And since a whole generation of writers, directors and editors has grown up with modern movies now, that sensibility of what is important in a movie is gone.
 
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Yeah, the limitations that they had really made them work extra hard. But it was also reflected in the writing. The viewers had never seen a city in the clouds on a scale like the one on Bespin before, it was the grandest thing ever, basically, but to the characters, it was a very small operation. Not only is it too small for the Empire to be (normally) concerned about it, but too small for the "mining guilds" as well, as noted in the dialogue. These references make the Galaxy seem so grand and interesting. Also, the Carbon freezing chamber.. what a spectacular set.. we'd seen nothing quite like it before, but the characters are dismissive of it.. it's not just a "crude" facility, but it's basically the equivalent of a boiler room to them.
 
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Anyway, I don't understand why I'm seemingly the only person who's bothered by the fact that we've gotten a teaser/announcement trailer for the movie before we even know what it's actually supposed to be about.

Because a "tease" in this context means "tempting".

This.

This isn't a plot trailer. This is a visual and sensory trailer. The trailer that leaks dialogue and little plot details won't come until later, and since there's no set or mandatory pattern for how a movie's theatrical and television trailers evolve the first one doesn't have to reveal any important plot details, especially the very first one that's released an entire year (plus some) before the movie itself.

I'm cool with it. It does what they designed it to.
 
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Ithekro said:
The unstable crackling could be from forcing the crystal to not only split unevenly, but also perhaps to be extra long.

It could be an unstable crystal. Maybe it's synthetic like the crystals sometimes used by the Sith in the Legends EU.

Is it wrong that I'm looking forward to Weird Al writing a song based on Episode 7 that will be a mega hit?

Yes. It's wrong. :P
 
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who's bothered by the fact that we've gotten a teaser/announcement trailer for the movie before we even know what it's actually supposed to be about.

:lol: Its only a teaser trailer
 
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Abrams did two Trek movies where he got as much in the frame as he could. He even went so far as to hang Pine, Cho and the redshirt upside-down in a parking lot over a scale mockup of the set so he could get the right feel for the space jump to the Narada's drill. Spock's volcano scene during STiD featured real pyro and a scale that wasn't really necessary but lent the scene real weight when it was fully integrated into the CGI effects. So I have no doubt that whenever he could get the shot in the frame using practical effects, he did.

As for the trailer itself, I was totally taken in from the very first moment where Boyega snaps into frame, sweaty and panicked. He did more acting in that brief instant than everyone in the PT combined. I hope that he does indeed play the main 'hero' of the film.
 
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Since there are only a few shots in the trailer, I can actually list them and tell you what I think.

Shot One: When the character appears on screen, not only is it surprising, but profoundly more emotional than you'd expect. Not only do we wonder why he is wearing stormtrooper armor (yes we want to know his story) but he is sweaty, he concerned, he is fearing for his life. I like the prequels a whole lot actually, but in one wordless shot, JJ captured so much more genuine emotion than we got in those films. I care about this guy more than the characters in the prequels.. I can't help it. Also, we know there's a probe droid nearby, because we can hear a transmission that is identical to the one in The Empire Strikes Back. Also Jeremy Jahns pointed out the camera move here, and how it just felt large and cinematic, and more like a "movie" than the way George would have filmed it.

Shot Two: The roller droid might be Daisy's companion, and it certainly lets us know that Star Wars isn't supposed to be all dark. I like this droid. It vaguely reminds me of the droids in this brilliant cartoon.

Shot 3, 4, and 5: One scene of stormtroopers getting ready for battle. For the prequels, the clonetrooper armors were never built.. they were all CGI. They actually looked pretty good. My favorite bit was (in Revenge of the Sith) when they were attacking that spider-droid, and the one clonetrrooper gets on top of it and starts going to town. But it's one of those things where "you can't beat the real thing." CGI troopers just don't look as good as real ones. The troopers here look more menacing. Even in A New Hope, they were terrible shots.. imagine if JJ went into this project with the idea of making these guys bad-ass.. and why not make them good shots.. and have them truly be feared by everyone? This shot .. something about the lighting and the energy of the slight camera movement, is the most "JJ"-looking shots of the entire trailer in my opinion.

Shot 6 & 7. How cool is it that a main character in the film might be female. Ridley is an interesting choice.. she is very pretty and she definitely looks like someone who could be Leia's daughter. Here, her acting seems quite good. She seems afraid, but she doesn't overdo it at all, she doesn't play it broadly. I love her speeder. Star Wars is so notable because some of the technology looks crazy but it all seems to be of a piece. Love it.

Shot 8 & 9: Before the shots fade in, we hear the rumbling engines, and are treated to a fantastic shot that says Star Wars is back. From here till the end, because it's a teaser, JJ is giving us the money shots.. and for once it actually works. The shot of the X-Wings are filmed from the side and (especially with those engine sounds) reminds us of similar shots of X-Wings from A New Hope, specifically the trench run bits. The ships feel like they have real weight and heft to them. I watched the prequels today and there is no comparison.

Shot 10: Wow. It's a shot, sure, would be at home in a cinematic of a new MMORPG, but it definitely works here, because they wouldn't want all the fan-made trailers to top this one! The idea that there are more Sith than we thought is fascinating. I loved the real, gritty and cold environment he's in. By setting fantasy characters in real places really has an effect on me (which is why Fellowship is my favorite LOTR film.. not the battle with the Urukai takes place in words and hills that, aside from a few ruins, looks like it could be near my house, and it helps to draw me in and it feels real). I like the fact that, unlike Darth Maul, this guy is not super graceful. While obviously very deadly, it looks like he is stumbling. He looks like he would act on impulse (a Dark Side trait that has been talked about ad nauseum in the original films but, alas, we've never seen it) and that maybe his lightsaber (which I'm guessing he did a rush-job construction of it) is meant to intimidate his enemies, hence the two additional blades that would otherwise not make much sense. Fear is his ally, over grace, and even knowledge.

Shot 11: Watching Empire again recently, I loved the scenes near the end where Falcon is being chased by TIE fighters shooting green lasers at it. It's so iconic.. so Star Wars to me.. so I am thrilled that JJ closed this trailer with that image.. and here we see some maneuvers that envies the fantastic flying Han pulled of in Empire. I love this shot, but I wish the lasers looked a bit more like the green lasers in Empire, and I am still trying to decide if the CG Falcon is as good as the model that they did some amazing things with in the original trilogy. It's impressive, but, man, so was the original model.

What I like is that there seems to be less fantasy in the settings.. no green screens of CGI palaces or cities, just gritty, real-world places. And the tone, it feels lean and mean and it feels like Star Wars, dammit. That tone is what sets this franchise apart form any other, and compels me to return. It's all artificial.. everything in Star Wars, and yet it all feels tangible, and of-a-piece.
 
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I loved the trailer. That being said... is it bad I thought of Spaceballs when the African-American storyteller came onscreen?

I thought it was a fan film/parody! Now I'm trying to process it lol

^I had *exactly* the same reaction. Not sure why but it felt very fan-filmy....which I suppose it is, technically. Maybe this is what J.J. has been trying to hide beneath all those lens-flairs? ;)

That's okay! Star Wars has always been "fan filmy" they're derivative, fan fictions of Lucas' own boyhood loves: cheesy sci-fi movies and other pulpy entertainment. Hiring the lot construction guy for the lead (Ford)---a teenage Hollywood brat for the heroine, using warehouse junk (B movie props) for the cantina scene----Bigg Darklighter with his Boogie Nights mustache.
 
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Flying Spaghetti Monster said:
He looks like he would act on impulse (a Dark Side trait that has been talked about ad nauseum in the original films but, alas, we've never seen it)
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I know it was a mere teaser trailer but I didn't find it all that exciting.
 
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I'm intrigued by what we saw from the teaser, but have a problem with the whole thing overall: we have absolutely zero context whatsoever in which to place what we were shown.

Yeah, it's a teaser-trailer for a film that's still over a year away.
 
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All trailers have shots that are taken out of context, even those trailers that seem to be hinting at the plot. In the new Pan trailer there is a shot of Hook catching a pretty young girl (maybe Tiger Lilly) in his arms. Nothing before or after that shot lends any context to it. That's how trailers are.
 
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The teaser just came out less than 48 hours ago, yet someone has had time to completely remake it with legos:

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpfWrh1scZU[/yt]
 
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This is the problem with everything having to be kept in a single, long-running thread. If you don't keep up with the thread when nothing is happening, you have no clue when there's a new development. I stumbled onto the trailer on YouTube.

I'm in the underwhelmed camp. And while it's a no-brainer that they wouldn't change an iconic hero ship like the Falcon, there have been no new fighter designs in the SWU in the past 30 years?
 
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