Rate 8x12: Death In Heaven

[The Lensman]

Getting back to the finale', it was "meh". The Master was horribly written, overly cartoony, and felt more like a villain from Batman '66 than anything I should take seriously. Thank god she was killed. Hopefully she'll regenerate into someone competent and dangerous. Sucks that Oswald died. Also can't wait for Clara to leave. That can't happen soon enough for me.

So we've had Robin Hood and next Santa....I'm waiting for the reveal that the whole season took place in that hard drive. You only thought you left the Matrix...you're still in it!

 

[The Wormhole]

Getting back to the finale', it was "meh". The Master was horribly written, overly cartoony, and felt more like a villain from Batman '66 than anything I should take seriously. Thank god she was killed. Hopefully she'll regenerate into someone competent and dangerous.

You don't actually believe this is the last we'll see of Missy, do you? Were the Anthony Ainley Master to be in that situation he would have just shrugged off the laser beam and returned a few weeks later. Besides, both Moffat and Michelle Gomez have confirmed there are plans to have Missy return next season.

 

[The Lensman]

Getting back to the finale', it was "meh". The Master was horribly written, overly cartoony, and felt more like a villain from Batman '66 than anything I should take seriously. Thank god she was killed. Hopefully she'll regenerate into someone competent and dangerous.

You don't actually believe this is the last we'll see of Missy, do you? Were the Anthony Ainley Master to be in that situation he would have just shrugged off the laser beam and returned a few weeks later. Besides, both Moffat and Michelle Gomez have confirmed there are plans to have Missy return next season.

No, I don't think it's the last we've seen of The Master\Missy.....regardless of how they regenerate, hopefully they won't be so horribly cartoonish. The over the top crazy acting was just godawful. They should be looking to Roger Delgado to show how it's done, not Cesar Romero or Frank Gorshin.

 

[Ithekro]

I don't think we'll get a regeneration. It will be Michelle Gomez as Missy for a while. Following the Anthony Ainley version of the Master, were he "died" each time he encounters the Fifth Doctor, and the comes back a few weeks later with only what basically come to "I escaped" as a reason. Moffat seems fine with that sort of logic when it comes to the Master.

 

[Professor Zoom]

I don't think we'll get a regeneration. It will be Michelle Gomez as Missy for a while. Following the Anthony Ainley version of the Master, were he "died" each time he encounters the Fifth Doctor, and the comes back a few weeks later with only what basically come to "I escaped" as a reason. Moffat seems fine with that sort of logic when it comes to the Master.

Gomez has all but confirmed she will be back as Missy. Which, personally, I think is great. I have always loved her style.

 

[Mytran]

Anthony Ainley seems to get a lot of flak in this thread for "dying all the time" and then coming back the next episode, but from what I recall this only happened once, with Planet Of Fire (where the character appeared to be vaporised by the super-hot gasses). His cocky retort to The Rani when we next meet him is not helpful, either:

I'm indestructible, the whole universe knows that!

Apparently the writers of Time And The Rani mis-remembered The Master's vaporisation scene (thinking he was merely kept in a shrunken state at the end) so they really didn't have an answer when this error was spotted, far too late in the writing process.

Personally I think we viewers see The Master's appearances in The Five Doctors and Planet Of Fire out of chronological context: ie, the Master who was summoned by the Time Lords in The Five Doctors was one teleported at the very last second before his destruction in Planet Of Fire, thus only seeming to die to witnesses present.
YMMV, of course.

On other occasions the Ainley Master was left in very sticky situations (like Time-Flight), but not actually death. A sticky situation is considerably easier to get out of!

 

[StarMan]

Well...

Jesus H. Christ. What just happened?

What a cluster-fuck of an episode. An appalling, incoherent ramble that has left me speechless, and not in a good way. Missy's (The Master) motive? The absurdly convoluted plan was to give him an army to... prove a point? What?

Ugh.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Getting back to the finale', it was "meh". The Master was horribly written, overly cartoony, and felt more like a villain from Batman '66 than anything I should take seriously. Thank god she was killed. Hopefully she'll regenerate into someone competent and dangerous.

You don't actually believe this is the last we'll see of Missy, do you? Were the Anthony Ainley Master to be in that situation he would have just shrugged off the laser beam and returned a few weeks later. Besides, both Moffat and Michelle Gomez have confirmed there are plans to have Missy return next season.

No, I don't think it's the last we've seen of The Master\Missy.....regardless of how they regenerate, hopefully they won't be so horribly cartoonish. The over the top crazy acting was just godawful. They should be looking to Roger Delgado to show how it's done, not Cesar Romero or Frank Gorshin.

The Master is "the camp one" after all

 

[Ithekro]

He doesn't have that rubbish beard anymore. Does have Dalek bumps though, repurposed for Timelord use of course.

 

[Pauln6]

I've been underwhelmed by the series generally. Too many of the silly stories took place on Earth when they might almost have been palatable if featured on an alien world.

The things I really liked were the school chldren and Missy. Yes, she was over the top and cartoonish but soooo much better than John Simm's manic gurning. The only silly thing that irritated me a bit was how she killed her guards. It would have been palatable with a throwaway line about the Master's power of hypnosis but to have them just stand there despite having a clear shot while she monologued for a few seconds was daft.

I do agree that her motivation seemed rather pointless unless she was just checking to see what kind of man was this new Doctor but way to waste a great plan of conquest.

Another reason why they need to move away from present day Earth more often. Placing the enitre planet in peril only for it to be wrapped up in half an hour of blabbing with almost no agency by any of the characters. Two assistants on the trot now have had active social lives. I hope the next one is more straightforward.

Missy was the most fun thing of the whole series for me but different strokes for different folks.

 

[Richard Baker]

I agree they really need to move the show away from contemporary Earth- far too many episodes, both with this Doctor and the prior ones. I know it saves budgets, but still...

 

[Professor Zoom]

I agree they really need to move the show away from contemporary Earth- far too many episodes, both with this Doctor and the prior ones. I know it saves budgets, but still...

I'm going to push back on this... because I'm curious.

But, why? Four stories took place on contemporary Earth (I'm including the two parter as one story.) Or, 5 episodes.

All the rest were on another planet, in the future or in the past, or a mixture. They might have begun in the present, but, they went places.

Why do the "need" to move away from contemporary Earth?

 

[Mr Awe]

I count Earth based stories set in the past as, well Earth based stories. I think we need fewer of them!

 

[Lakenheath 72]

This is my opinion.

The new Doctor Who may have a larger budget than the Classic Doctor Who; however, it is still small compared to other sci-fi and fantasy shows. Setting the show on Earth is a cost savings measure. If they did more shows off Earth, the costs would increase and the franchise would face resistance from BBC's accounting department.

As an example, the distance between Cardiff and London is 210 kilometers (130 miles). This is the distance between Washington, DC and Richmond, plus 30 miles. Yet, most of the London shots are filmed in Cardiff, because the costs of filming in London are high. When they film in London, it's a big deal for the franchise.

 

[beneldon]

I love it when a fan misses an episode and TrekBBS fills them in.

But, Dammit people! S P O I L E R T A G S!

 

[DimesDan]

I love it when a fan misses an episode and TrekBBS fills them in.

But, Dammit people! S P O I L E R T A G S!

Why? Surely if you've not watched the episode, why come in here and read the thread.

 

[Mr Light]

And those images of a be-breasted Benedict Cumberbatch straddling over Capaldi are all over the internet anyway.

 

[The Wormhole]

Not to mention the interviews with Cumberbatch and Capaldi discussing how good a kisser the other is are two of the top videos on YouTube, I don't think there is anything left to spoiler tag.

 

[beneldon]

Oh yeah, sure, come into the thread marked Rate 8X12 Death in Heaven and hear all about 8X13 Beating at Equis Morte. How silly of me to want spoiler tags!

Now, having just finished seeing it, all the magic of discovery was gone! All the moments I normally would have spent hiding behind the couch I saw coming, and the thrill of seeing K-9, Leela, the Time Lords and Romana - hell, even the Rani played by Mr. Cumberbatch lost its appeal. About the only thing I was not spoiled on was that after credits bit with Susan...

Whoa!

 

[RoJoHen]

Well...

Jesus H. Christ. What just happened?

What a cluster-fuck of an episode. An appalling, incoherent ramble that has left me speechless, and not in a good way. Missy's (The Master) motive? The absurdly convoluted plan was to give him an army to... prove a point? What?

Ugh.

Yeah, it was bizarre.

I wish I could be upset about Danny, but I just never cared about him. He was such a boring character, and he and Clara barely had any chemistry. And considering their relationship was full of lies and deceit, I can't even be that sympathetic.

Missy's role was...weird. I don't know what I was expecting, but what we got didn't really make a ton of sense to me.

If Missy was in fact a regenerated version of The Master, then that means she somehow managed to escape Gallifrey after being sent back there in "The End of Time." That is the story I want to hear about, not some weird Cyberman team-up, which made absolutely no sense. Where did all the Cybersuits come from? Missy made it rain, and the rain was made of souls, and the souls found their old bodies...AND TRANSFORMED THEM INTO CYBERMEN?!