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Oh, I think the relative futility and the ultimately unrealistic nature of "Plan B" is quite intentional. It's not a genuinely realistic means of survival, it's just the barest minimum of a thread that's left if "Plan A" doesn't work. That's why it's so important to the plot to find a way to rescue some significant portion of humanity to carry out "Plan A."

As for "the Blight," yes, definitely more than a bit of a handwave and I don't know that it's meant to stand up in detail. It's just thematically important that it be an extension of man-made environmental disaster to make the exploration vs. survival themes of the movie resonate. It's crafted more for thematic and dramatic purposes than it is for strict consistency. The movie isn't interested in the specific mechanics of how "the Blight" works, it's an extended metaphor for environmental failure and for the invasive flourishing of things that would never have existed in a more "normal" environment.

Well, I'm not entirely sure "The Blight" was meant to be any kind of environmentalist "message" or even to be a human-caused event. The lip-service to it doesn't seem to suggest that, it suggests a more "natural" event occurring. It just so happens it doesn't make much sense.
 
I actually thought the Blight side of things was actually well handled by not spelling things out (because as noted, it really wouldn't stand up to close scrutiny) but instead providing the broad strokes of the effect on the world through a couple of nice and deft throwaway lines.

Thinking about it, the clumsy space exposition could have been handled much better by taking advantage of the fact Cooper has small children deprived of a decent education. Have him try and explain the sort of things he'll be running into before he leaves. It wouldn't even have to be one massive info dump, just intersperse flashbacks as and when they're needed.

Actually, the bit where they explain why the wormhole doesn't look like a hole was incredibly patronising to viewers wasn't it? I think even people with absolutely no knowledge of space could cope with the idea of non-literal names for things. I suppose it's lucky we didn't get Cooper going "Why isn't the black hole black?" at one point.
 
Actually, the bit where they explain why the wormhole doesn't look like a hole was incredibly patronising to viewers wasn't it?
I didn't think so. I hadn't thought the physics of wormholes through that thoroughly before, but their being spheroid absolutely makes sense. I appreciated the explanation for the look. It increased my understanding of the universe. :)
 
Well, I'm not entirely sure "The Blight" was meant to be any kind of environmentalist "message" or even to be a human-caused event. The lip-service to it doesn't seem to suggest that, it suggests a more "natural" event occurring. It just so happens it doesn't make much sense.

I read an interview with the Nolans, the idea was that this was more of a natural disaster, but it is a trope in similar films to make humans culpable for their own demise, so it's easy to see why people would come to that conclusion.

The other thing I recall the Nolans saying about the blight was something like, "it's better at eating our food than we are.".

Christopher Nolan also mentions that he was influenced by the imagery in Ken Burns documentary on the Dust Bowl, which is where those elements came from (even though they perhaps don't fully gel with the seeming lack of drought). Although, maybe the idea is there are barren, abandoned farmlands outside of what we see, which are now not irrigated and contributing to the dust.
 
Here's a slightly edited version of the review I wrote for another site:

What makes a Christopher Nolan movie so entertaining is the fact that he demands quite bit of participation from his audiences. He’ll put lot of complicated ideas on the table with the belief that the audience is, in fact, paying attention. He gives them a lot of credit. It’s quite a notion: that people might actually be entertained by the delving head-first into tough concepts they'd never even thought about before. Movies are not just about the simplicity of whether or not someone is worthy of wielding Mjolnir: movies can be explorations of some pretty remarkable concepts. With Inception, he plays with the idea of how time seems to work at different levels of consciousness. With his new film, Interstellar, he explores how time can seem different based on the Theory of Relativity.

Yes, indeed: the Theory of Relativity, the same concept that even scientists struggle to get a grasp on, and Nolan is somehow hopes that casual filmgoers to grasp even any aspect of it. Yet, here he is again, unafraid to give the audience more credit than a lot of other filmmakers out there would. As a film, Interstellar is a full, ambitious and ponderous work. Because Nolan swung for the fences on this one, not every aspect of it works, but we thank him for trying. He’s unafraid to push his own limits; after all, his films have often been considered a little cold on the emotional side – he rarely ever touched on love directly and never quite figured out how to write a female character. With this film, he is bold enough to try to correct both of these faults. And while he might aim higher than he ever has before, he also has stepped back a bit. Thanks to using some older (but tried and true) techniques, this film feels like it came form they heyday of blockbusters rather than today’s bold yet sadly formulaic cinematic climate.

There is a great scene very early in the film, long before any mention at all of space travel, wormholes, black holes, time dilation, and tesseracts. While driving his children to school in his beat up pickup, Coop (Matthew McConaughey) spots an automated drone flying overhead. Even with a flat tire, he pursues the drone, plowing his truck through thick cornfields as he and his kids keep the drone within view. Hans Zimmer’s most poignant leitmotif is heard during this scene, and we, the audience, are wondering what will happen. Will they catch the drone? Will they find out its purpose? We’re not in any hurry to find these answers, because the music, the way is blocked, the way it’s edited, they way it flows, allows us to wonder again. It’s filmed with the same joy that a father filming his child chasing after a stay balloon in a field would have. This was the kind of moment Spielberg would have let into one of on his early blockbusters, a unique combination of whimsy mixed with intrigue that is so lacking in popular cinema today.

The film maintains it’s intrigue for much of the first act, as Cooper regrets having to limit what his children can do in their lives because of the pressing need for farmers in a near-future of an awful environmental blight. Growing corn, however, won’t save the human race, but, soon enough, Cooper and his daughter discover a secret base in the middle of nowhere, and the idea of saving the human race is what’s keeping the wheels turning in that compound.

Coop, as a former test pilot, is tasked by NASA (which must run in secret because the government has publicly focused all of its attention on growing corn and dealing with dust storms) to go on what is essentially a planetary survey mission. With some mysterious help a decade prior, we were able to launch some astronauts to distant worlds, and one such solar system has three planets that could potentially support life.

We can only hope James Cameron has seen this movie. During his heyday, he created some of the most awesome worlds – ships and planets – that were effective because they always felt real. While Avatar pushed a lot of boundaries, it seems much too clean and polished next to those older films and certainly very tacky next to Interstellar. The spacecrafts here look lived-in, dirty, and functional, the journeys between planets are long and dull, and space itself looks unimpressive. What’s more: all the points made in that last sentence were intended to be compliments of the film. Space is dull, after all, and as a ship rotates and the sun keeps going in and out of view, it resembles the repeating shadows that kids tend to notice when riding in the back seat of the car late at night. Some shots of space feature no stars in the background at all, much like the shots we sometimes get back from NASA. Furthermore, Nolan rarely provides wide shots or beauty shots of the vessels in this film. Instead, he chooses a total of maybe three angles (one of which will be the point of view of the camera tied to the hull, facing forward) and shoots all of the sequences from only those few options. The result: a far more visceral experience than one might expect, as the viewer is forced to put himself or herself in that very spot on that ship, with a limited idea of what is taking place nearby. By making outer space a cold, unromantic place, Nolan has also made it seem much more dangerous. This isn't the storybook of Guardians of the Galaxy.

The challenge that Cooper faces throughout the film is that, as his crew performs the surveys, there is an extreme time differential and time must be considered as valuable a resource as air, fuel, and consumables. The planets in the system orbit a black hole named Gargantua, whose powerful gravity distort the very fabric of space-time. On the closest planet, the gravity is so strong that for every hour they spend on the planet, seven years will have passed on Earth. With Coop's children growing older and with the blight worsening, we really feel the gut-punch of emotion as Coop sobs watching transitions from home.

So much in Interstellar is so remarkable – things like how space travel is depicted, or how stunning Gargantua looks (it’s the best black hole ever committed to film) – that the aspects that don’t work tend to stand out more in relief. How could the chinsy drop ships leave the atmosphere of planets with higher gravity than our own planet when the mission began with a three-stage Apollo-style rocket necessary for escaping Earth’s own gravity? Why would Nolan cast a major movie star for a surprise, plot-twisting cameo, when stunt casting is the last thing a hard sci-fi movie needs? But, even with an ending involving a strange concepts of multiple dimensions (which somehow Nolan nearly succeeds in pulling off) the most pressing question might be about the mission itself. Why did they need to go to the surface of these worlds to see if colonies could be established there? Even today, we have a good idea of which exoplanets are viable for life even gazing at them from thousands of light years away. Gargantua might be in another galaxy, but surely once Cooper’s ship, the Endurance arrived, it would be pretty easy to surmise which of the three planets might be ht most viable to life. There’s just no way that setting up camp on a drenched world so close to Gargantua would ever seem practical.
There’s a lot more to Interstellar than the planetary surveys, however. There’s an intriguing conversation about the very limits of human empathy, and the idea that it’s easier to care more for this generation and the next than it is to feel anything for generations hundreds of years down the line. There is the notions of love as a scientific concept, notions of broken trust, regret. Basically the entire spectrum of human condition. What is ending mean, and even if everyone did see it coming, does that mean it doesn't work?

That might not matter. If just for the discussion alone, Interstellar is worth checking out. It’s bold visuals serve a touchstone in our times: can space be cold and wondrous again?

There is a scene where Coop is on the porch having a beer, while trading dialogue with what is no doubt the film’s most interesting character. Watching these two characters chat, we realize that Nolan isn't as cold and calculating as he seems, that he does have a healthy sense of humor. He shares a similar moment with seasoned actor John Lithgow as well, who is also a pretty funny guy, but that’s not the scene. Sometimes, in pondering the mysteries of the stars and what the future of humanity might have in store, having beer and a good laugh is not only conducive to birthing deep thoughts, but it may be just as necessary as having food and air.


A few additional thoughts:
While the film feels largely scientifically accurate it's not. Miler would like be consumed by the black hole. Even in desperation, we wouldn't live there because we'd no the orbit would never last all that long.
Also there is a shot of Cooper flying close above the accretion disk of Gargantua that is meant to mirror an early shot of the Endurance flying over Saturn's rings. However, accretion disks are millions of degrees, so his ship would have simply burned up.
Lithgow has a line about stadium hot dogs that I feel was a deliberate tip of the hat to 2010, where he discusses stadium hot dogs with his ship-mates. In fact, even though outer space is silent in this film, I contend it has more in common with 2010 than 2001.
 
With a few tweaks, Interstellar would have been an excellent STAR TREK film. In my mind, the mission of the SS Endurance would be about humankind's first attempt to colonize beyond the Sol Star System. And best of all, you wouldn't need to have an "alien of the week" moment. The film would just be a "Man-vs-Nature-vs-Himself" story. Heck, with a few more tweaks, Nolan could have done a LOST IN SPACE film, but I digress. So, other than the stunt casting, good film.
 
Yeah, if your reputation and pull as a director is such that you can get an A-list actor to do a second act "surprise" (it was mostly given away on the internet, but still) appearance for you, why wouldn't you? What's the downside, unless the person is a terrible or much disliked actor, which Damon is not?

Also there is a shot of Cooper flying close above the accretion disk of Gargantua that is meant to mirror an early shot of the Endurance flying over Saturn's rings. However, accretion disks are millions of degrees, so his ship would have simply burned up.

There was a debate between Phil Plait of Bad Astronomy (and now Slate) and some other physicists over that. Plait said the same thing about the heat of the accretion disk, but someone else mentioned that the "ring" wasn't an accretion disk at all but rather a result of the gravity lensing effect from the black hole.

Apparently the CGI computer modelling of the appearance of the black hole also gave Kip Thorne a lot of new information as well which hee was able to turn into a couple of papers.
 
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I think it was stunt casting. I mean, he's too familiar.

McConoughey is familiar too, but he's also the lead, and he is a solid choice.. we get to know his character. It doesn't stand out that he is in the film.

I had two friends with me during a screening, and one went out to use the facilities just as they arrived at Mann, and when he came back he whispered to my other friend "what happened?" The other friend whispered back "they found Matt Damon."

I think it was a poor choice. He sticks out too much. I don't even like or watch Damon movies if I can avoid them. I was never into the idea of the Bourne movies so I never watched them. Green Zone infuriated me. His snotty attitude during interviews infuriates me.

Nolan should have done something, and if he was going to cast someone recognizable, he should have cast a character actor, one that expresses intelligence and virtue but would be believable if he lost his cool. Over the course of time, Star Trek has had a lot of great guest stars, where the names matter less than what they are able to project. This guy is supposed to be a scientist? The guest star would usually come across as one instantly.
 
I don't see it as stunt casting, you don't stunt-cast a meaningful role (and the Mann character is a meaningfull one given the role he plays in the story.) You stunt cast minor roles that mean little. Stunt casting would have been casting one of the Astronaut Red-Shirts as a known actor.

Or you stunt-cast a character who means something but dies early in the film. (Segall un "Executive Decision", Cranston in this year's "Godzilla.")

Damon's part wasn't a minor ine, it meant something in the story and they didn't try and to capitalize in his being cast in small role by advertising him as a major cast member.
 
I think it was stunt casting. I mean, he's too familiar.

McConoughey is familiar too, but he's also the lead, and he is a solid choice.. we get to know his character. It doesn't stand out that he is in the film.

I had two friends with me during a screening, and one went out to use the facilities just as they arrived at Mann, and when he came back he whispered to my other friend "what happened?" The other friend whispered back "they found Matt Damon."

I think it was a poor choice. He sticks out too much. I don't even like or watch Damon movies if I can avoid them. I was never into the idea of the Bourne movies so I never watched them. Green Zone infuriated me. His snotty attitude during interviews infuriates me.

Nolan should have done something, and if he was going to cast someone recognizable, he should have cast a character actor, one that expresses intelligence and virtue but would be believable if he lost his cool. Over the course of time, Star Trek has had a lot of great guest stars, where the names matter less than what they are able to project. This guy is supposed to be a scientist? The guest star would usually come across as one instantly.

Precisely. Keep in mind that I do like Damon films, including the Bourne Identity, but felt that he wasn't suited for the role without the build up of his character first. If he were to be in the film, I would have made Mann the love interest of Amelia Brand, and maybe have some scenes where there are quiet moments of her going over the last messages that she had gotten from Mann. In fact, we could have had a parallel story of sorts, in that while Brand and Copper are motivated by love to be a part of the mission, the loves are based on different aspect of that love (hers being romantic, while his being familial). The tragedy would come later, in which both Brand and Cooper had to sacrifice what they treasured the most, in order to make sure that both Plan A and Plan B succeeded, with Mann going crazy (maybe his true motivation for participating in the Lazarus Program would be exposed as being self-serving) and Cooper never seeing his daughter grow up into a woman. After all, isn't the true definition of love is about self-sacrifice?

At any rate, good film. I'm glad I saw it. :)
 
I had two friends with me during a screening, and one went out to use the facilities just as they arrived at Mann, and when he came back he whispered to my other friend "what happened?" The other friend whispered back "they found Matt Damon."

Your friend missed a part of the movie and asked what happened. How does that make it stunt casting?

I think it was a poor choice. He sticks out too much. I don't even like or watch Damon movies if I can avoid them. I was never into the idea of the Bourne movies so I never watched them. Green Zone infuriated me. His snotty attitude during interviews infuriates me.

So, you don't like the actor, you don't like his politics, you have an over-the-top visceral reaction to him, and disagree with the idea of making spy movies based on a popular book and miniseries for some reason. None of those make it stunt casting. It makes it casting someone you don't like.

Keep in mind that I do like Damon films, including the Bourne Identity, but felt that he wasn't suited for the role without the build up of his character first.

The build-up was the repeated (and kind of silly wordplay, but whatever) references to "Mann will save us" and "Mann was the best of us" leading up to his awakening on the planet. If Steve Buscemi popped out of that Ziploc bag instead of someone like Matt Damon, people would have been like, "Huh, really?" Buscemi's a great actor and a nice guy and all, but he gets cast in the dirtbag roles for a reason.
 
I don't see it as stunt casting, you don't stunt-cast a meaningful role (and the Mann character is a meaningfull one given the role he plays in the story.) You stunt cast minor roles that mean little. Stunt casting would have been casting one of the Astronaut Red-Shirts as a known actor.

Or you stunt-cast a character who means something but dies early in the film. (Segall un "Executive Decision", Cranston in this year's "Godzilla.")

Damon's part wasn't a minor ine, it meant something in the story and they didn't try and to capitalize in his being cast in small role by advertising him as a major cast member.

Of course it's stunt casting. Reminded me of the movie "Predators" (starring Adrian Brody), in which, out of nowhere, Laurence Fishburne came onto the scene in the second act, and started hamming it up. I felt the same way with Matt Damon. True, he served his role well, but Damon took me out of the film. IMO, it would have been better if there was a proper build up of the character, either in the forms of flashbacks, old recordings or even a picture on a wall (and, no pointing to the wall doesn't count). It was all exposition. We're told that Mann was this brave scientist who led the Lazarus Program. Um...okay. But, in the end, I wasn't all that impressed by Damon's performance. I actually felt something during the Miller's World scene, when Romilly died. Why? We got to know him as the film progressed, even in the first act. When Mann died, I didn't feel anything. It was like, "Ouch...idiot".

That is not to say that I didn't like the film. I liked the film, but felt that the scenes on Mann's World was "weak".
 
Keep in mind that I do like Damon films, including the Bourne Identity, but felt that he wasn't suited for the role without the build up of his character first.

The build-up was the repeated (and kind of silly wordplay, but whatever) references to "Mann will save us" and "Mann was the best of us" leading up to his awakening on the planet. If Steve Buscemi popped out of that Ziploc bag instead of someone like Matt Damon, people would have been like, "Huh, really?" Buscemi's a great actor and a nice guy and all, but he gets cast in the dirtbag roles for a reason.

...Which is why I don't like exposition in films. Again, I like Damon, but not in the role of Dr. Mann. At least, not without a proper character build up.
 
You know all the stuff you said you would have preferred to build up his character (which would have taken away from the surprise) is also exposition, right?

"It would have been better if there was a proper build up of the character, either in the forms of flashbacks, old recordings or even a picture on a wall."
 
You know all the stuff you said you would have preferred to build up his character (which would have taken away from the surprise) is also exposition, right?

"It would have been better if there was a proper build up of the character, either in the forms of flashbacks, old recordings or even a picture on a wall."

I think I will go with the official definition:

ex·po·si·tion
ˌekspəˈziSH(ə)n/
noun
1.
a comprehensive description and explanation of an idea or theory.
"the exposition and defense of his ethics"
synonyms: explanation, description, elucidation, explication, interpretation...

In other words, we're told about Mann, who he is, what his role and why. The purpose of the flashbacks, video logs, etc is to show the type of person Mann is. That's why the video logs of Cooper's kids, and see the evolution of those characters. You get enough hints to know that when the final act comes, we, as an audience, know right away how the characters ended up the way they did. But, again, thus is just my opinion, and is in no way a strike against the film as a whole.
 
I loved this article about the weird phenomenon of "critical reaction" to Nolan movies. (Fair warning: it's a Cracked listicle. But it's one of the genuinely funny ones.)
 
I loved this article about the weird phenomenon of "critical reaction" to Nolan movies. (Fair warning: it's a Cracked listicle. But it's one of the genuinely funny ones.)

As the article points out there are some valid unfair nitpicks about this film - However, I find it very disturbing to also read in the same article some rabid fans of this film were actually posting Death Threats against some of its critics in Dirty Rotten Tomatoes website and they had to shut down the comments section.

It reminds me of some of the outrageous fans of The Walking Dead actually were doing the same to the actress who played the character Andrea on the series for having the gall to act out the part written for her.

Some people really have a hard time separating real life from the fiction they love so much and/or aren't taking their meds on a regular basis.

No doubt when Star Wars episode 7 is released this will become a reality again.

I wonder why they don't prosecute individuals who post a death threat online against an individual for simply holding an differing opinion of this film?
 
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