Gareth came across at least to me as name your favorite Bond villian and the way they tried to eliminate James and spoke.
The Walking Dead Season 5
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Gareth came across at least to me as name your favorite Bond villian and the way they tried to eliminate James and spoke.
I wish you didn't tell me that. During the cannibal scenes, I couldn't help but want some ham.
The Philly crew could have been BS-ing to sell their story of having nowhere else to go, so Rick would invite them to the farm. Considering how vile and violent they were, Rick does not have much reason to think they were wells of truth.
Because its an ensemble show--no matter what happens, eventually, they have to reunite--usually to deal with a common problem (ex. Andrea ends up with the Governor, who becomes her enemy as well as the prison group). Most of the interest in the second half of season 4 was the anticipation of the group coming together.
the cure is his reason to continue; remember, he tried to convince Glenn that it was pointless to search for Maggie, as he should move on (like Abraham), in other words, focus on the "most important" goal of all.
Regarding his getting killed, he will not die--but I think he will pay a price by losing someone he cares for. Much of the fan chatter believe Rosita will be the object of that price.
That's funny, because I think Abraham Ford is one of the only characters in the show NOT written like a total moron. I seriously about threw something at the TV when it was revealed Bob was bitten. Then, Sasha sobbing when Bob could reanimate at any second was just stupid. Stab him in the brain first, weep later. Two years into a zombie apocalypse, this should be nothing but routine.
Ford's reasoning makes perfect sense. He's military and his main objective is to complete his mission. Rick and co. had already wasted his precious time after the events of the prison, the events at Terminus, and now they wanted to hang out and wait for people that could very well already be (un)dead. He summed it up perfectly: they could sit around and possibly save two or three people, or they could make it to D.C. and save EVERYBODY (although we know that's not going to happen, in his mission based mind, that's all he has).
The thing is he seems more naively dedicated to his mission without question. He's so dedicated to it, despite the fact that Eugene, er., Dr. Mullet isn't very forthcoming with details and when he does say something he sputters nonsense. Moreover Abraham isn't even thinking about the pure logistics of how a "cure" would work and thus save the world. As we've discussed above, there's no real means to make any "cure" on a global scale and then to distribute it.
He's so blindly following his mission on a bed of unclear data, half-answered questions and on gut, emotional, reaction and he's doing it so bad that Father Gabriel is going to look at him and go, "Dude, tone it down."
People really should be asking him, and particularly Eugene, a lot more, and harder question. When Eugene delivered that semi-explanation in the first episode this season people should have just looked at him and said, "Yeah, you didn't say anything there. Particularly nothing about *having* a cure and more about having sort-of an idea for one."
And, really, if Eugene is lying in order to get a trip to Arlington or for protection, or whatever he must be a real piece of shit. On the surface he seems like a decent-enough guy, sure, but considering he's putting lives in danger and using Abraham's loyalty and dedication against him he's a pretty damn crappy man.
He's so blindly following his mission on a bed of unclear data, half-answered questions and on gut, emotional, reaction and he's doing it so bad that Father Gabriel is going to look at him and go, "Dude, tone it down."
People really should be asking him, and particularly Eugene, a lot more, and harder question. When Eugene delivered that semi-explanation in the first episode this season people should have just looked at him and said, "Yeah, you didn't say anything there. Particularly nothing about *having* a cure and more about having sort-of an idea for one."
And, really, if Eugene is lying in order to get a trip to Arlington or for protection, or whatever he must be a real piece of shit. On the surface he seems like a decent-enough guy, sure, but considering he's putting lives in danger and using Abraham's loyalty and dedication against him he's a pretty damn crappy man.
Abraham's being written stupidly because he is a military person. He has considerably less chance navigating through this countryside safely without the whole group.
His primary mission is NOT getting to D.C. It's to safeguard the "package" that's being delivered to D.C. That being his #1 priority, he should not be cutting & running every time they take a night to regroup. Even Eugene knows that. It's why he went back for Glenn, & why he objected to leaving this time too
He's the luckiest ass on the whole planet, given his goals. He has a trustworthy, time tested, & battle hardened unit land in his lap & he's done nothing but whine about leaving them behind any time they need to hit the pause button once in a while. They are in a constant state of crisis. They MUST stop now & again for many reasons
He just left Daryl, Carol, Michonne, Sasha, Tyrese, Carl & Rick, and there wasn't even an active threat against them anymore. They kick ass against the dead, & the living better than anyone he's come across. They're even already experienced in safeguarding a more fragile package (Judith). Plus, they're likely to regain Beth (& who knows who else)
All he has now is himself, Rosita, Tara, Glenn & Maggie. That's not even half of what he had, & it's not even the pick of the litter. You don't sacrifice unit integrity for expediency, unless expediency is the prime goal. It's moronic mission execution, and pitiful soldiery.
His primary mission is NOT getting to D.C. It's to safeguard the "package" that's being delivered to D.C. That being his #1 priority, he should not be cutting & running every time they take a night to regroup. Even Eugene knows that. It's why he went back for Glenn, & why he objected to leaving this time too
He's the luckiest ass on the whole planet, given his goals. He has a trustworthy, time tested, & battle hardened unit land in his lap & he's done nothing but whine about leaving them behind any time they need to hit the pause button once in a while. They are in a constant state of crisis. They MUST stop now & again for many reasons
He just left Daryl, Carol, Michonne, Sasha, Tyrese, Carl & Rick, and there wasn't even an active threat against them anymore. They kick ass against the dead, & the living better than anyone he's come across. They're even already experienced in safeguarding a more fragile package (Judith). Plus, they're likely to regain Beth (& who knows who else)
All he has now is himself, Rosita, Tara, Glenn & Maggie. That's not even half of what he had, & it's not even the pick of the litter. You don't sacrifice unit integrity for expediency, unless expediency is the prime goal. It's moronic mission execution, and pitiful soldiery.
Eugene's talk is technobabble to us, but we're Star Trek fans, so we know better 
(I mean, really, does the Human Genome Project have any real relation with Germ Warfare???)
Most of the crew would NOT know better (Glenn was preoccupied during the explanation).
Also, considering it was more than a year since the fall...it'd sound like a reasonable thing at this point....that people have had time to study the situation and come up with something.
AT least 8 people died on this mission, so the questioning should have happened already. And with those deaths (which could have been some close calls for Eugene), THAT would be solid logic for Abraham to hurry up and get Eugene to DC.
(I mean, really, does the Human Genome Project have any real relation with Germ Warfare???)Most of the crew would NOT know better (Glenn was preoccupied during the explanation).
Also, considering it was more than a year since the fall...it'd sound like a reasonable thing at this point....that people have had time to study the situation and come up with something.
AT least 8 people died on this mission, so the questioning should have happened already. And with those deaths (which could have been some close calls for Eugene), THAT would be solid logic for Abraham to hurry up and get Eugene to DC.
Why? I think most guessed that's what happened when he was crying outside of the church.
I think you're missing the character development. Since the 1st episode of season 4, it was established Bob had a crush on Sasha, but she was so business-minded--almost cold, that she would never allow herself to open up to a man. By the fall of the prison, she eventually warms up, then does not pull away from Bob's affections. That was major for her, so to lose Bob just as she was falling for him was more than devastating.
Standard zombie elimination procedure be damned when recieving a blow of that magnitude.
A cure has to start somewhere. There's no instant global remedy / distribution for any disease (see: the Keystone Cops-esque running around regarding Ebola in an allegedly structured world), so treating the target would start region by region.
I say again, what do they have to lose? Their lives? Staying in their general region has led--directly--to numerous deaths within the group. There's a concentration of threats in the state: Governor / Governor 2.0 , Joe's gang, Randall's gang, Terminus, and whoever captured Beth. Not exactly attractive real estate options.
Leaving at least gives them a mission of hope, rather than sitting around waiting for the next pack of maniacs to pick off more of their already small group.
Maybe T-Dog was right: they should have headed for the coast (season 2).
As Eugene pointed out, the others would not understand it if he laid all out for them. He would just be speaking dolled-up gobbledegook, so what is the point? The better question they should ask among themselves is: "why would Eugene lie about a cure?" In-series, it would make no sense to lie in the ZA world, as the benefit of selling lies promises...what?
But if you had information for a cure, wouldn't you at least write it down to survive you because Eugene has NO survival skills on his own. I still think this is just his way of keeping people invested in saving his life. He always goes along with anything that will delay his getting to Washington to deliver his "knowledge".
The thing is...even with the technobabble...it sounded like he would have to do some kind of experiments...tweak things based on certain results....it's not a simple formula, but rather a METHOD of figuring it out that scientists would be able to figure out. Even writing it down would in no way guarantee success. And for the non scientist, basically meaningless
Exactly--writing it down for Joe Average accomplishes nothing, since the cure requires his participation. Without Eugene, the written details means nothing to Rick's group, as they would be glorified shipping to a group who needed the man to help--not notes.
I've been saying it since season 1, right after the CDC went down. Find a boat, preferably with a sail. Make towards a coastal island. My choice would be Cumberland Is. Scavenge supplies from the mainland only as needed. Build a transmitter/receiver, and try to hear if anyone is broadcasting before you go tramping off into the heart of darkness, formerly the hub of the civilized world, N.Y. Jersey, Philly, D.C. etc...
I demand a new spin-off series set in Hawaii!
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Of course he was because obviously Zombies cannot swim. It's the most logical location to go to.
But of course that would have ended the series and they couldn't film a coastal location from middle Georgia - Senoia.
On this past episode: Does anyone understand the significance of the, "A," written in what appears to be blood on the side of the church?
The train car the heroes were held in at Terminus also had a big "A" on it, probably just a psych move to remind them of that.
The problem with that is Terminus: they were acting on that hope with their broadcasts, and if Rick's group thought it was a chance (as in the actual course of events), the same (rejection of cannibalism / captured as livestock) still unfolds.
Just cause it's a zombie apocalypse doesn't mean we abandon USDA's system for grading meat...
Regarding the tainted meat scene, did the Termites know that everyone is already infected with the zombie virus? I assumed part of the reason they started spitting out what they were eating was because they still assumed that turning into a walker was the result of a walker bite, thus eating a bite victim would make them turn.
I mean, our heroes only know because Jenner told Rick. Granted some people worked it out for themselves, such as the Guvenor (and I think Shane was working it out too).
Do we think the wider surviving populace is aware that everyone is infected already after 2 years?
Personally I think most people still associate a bite/wound from a walker as the cause.
I mean, our heroes only know because Jenner told Rick. Granted some people worked it out for themselves, such as the Guvenor (and I think Shane was working it out too).
Do we think the wider surviving populace is aware that everyone is infected already after 2 years?
Personally I think most people still associate a bite/wound from a walker as the cause.
You're saying because cannibals are luring people with radio broadcasts, nobody should be listening to radio broadcasts? I can't really agree. Besides, I was thinking more along the lines of a CB radio, something they can communicate with... If they want to, but you should be listening to the open airwaves too
Plus, I never said they have to check out every broadcast or transmission, and they certainly don't have to believe them, and most importantly, if you DO decide that it's a transmission worth investigating, you do so with extreme skepticism, as in the complete opposite of how they went into Terminus, which I've been saying since the end of last season. lol
Somebody blasting all over the bandwidth about how they have a "Sanctuary"? Maybe you go & do a little recon around the perimeter, but when you find it's a rickety old inland industrial building in the middle of bumfuk, it's probably a smokescreen preying on the desperate, in one way or another.
Nope, you set up a primitive community, with people you are willing to trust, on a coastal Island. Cumberland, off the coast of Georgia, is a great choice. (Should've got the jump on that right off, before it got claimed) You get one or two functional sailing vessels, one to conduct local operations, (Perimeter security, quick raids etc...) & one which you can stock for long travel, & use to travel the coastline if you do get in touch with anyone worth seeking out.
Once you have life under control in your safe zone, you maybe send out minimal transmissions that tell people to go to the Atlantic coast, and wait. Nothing more specific than that. Then you conduct coastline inspections, and if you spot anyone worth picking up, you make contact with a dingy. You'll need a really nice telescope too, and you can sail around with them long enough to feel them out, before you up & introduce them to your secluded getaway
Basically, you don't go looking for sanctuary or rescue in the middle of the disaster area. You get out, look for an isolated place to live, & then carefully research options. 2 years in... somebody should have thought of that & acted on it by now
However, living in the safest way possible is that absolute worst thing they could be doing if they want to drum up some drama for a tv show, I figure
After 2 years I suspect most people are aware everyone turns. It's highly likely most people have been around someone who has died from a non-zombie related cause. Starvation, dehydration, regular illnesses, injury, being killed in altecation not involving a head injury. Sure there's probably still a few who don't know but I suspect given the Termites experience in killing people they knew. Note in the slaughter house they caused head trauma rather than just slashing the throat.
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