I've never watched Person of Interest. Don't know why.
The Walking Dead Season 5
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I've never watched Person of Interest. Don't know why.
Can someone explain to me why, after the threat from the cannibals is over, does Abraham still insist on splitting up the group, in order to embark for D.C? The whole reason for him wanting to leave in a hurry was that conditions were worsening, which posed an imminent threat to Eugene, because a gang was stalking them. The gang was eliminated. Basically, they're now as stable as they ever could be.
So why does this character not have the ability to weigh the benefits of a strong unit versus a hastily pushed mission? Clearly, he must have noticed that Carol saved them all singlehandedly. It's obvious that Carol & Daryl are two of the most superior & valuable assets in the group. Everyone knows that they'll be back. In fact, they show up that very night (Granted, probably with a new problem)
But this guy should be able minded enough to know that his mission is far less likely to succeed without people like Rick, Carol & Daryl, and since there's no present threat against them anymore, besides the usual shittiness of the world, what's it really going to hurt staying another night or two, to see if they come back. You get some rest. You prep for the road (Hunt/scavenge etc...)
I just don't get it. This badass group just got back together for less than a week, and we're already splitting them up again (Dramatic preference I suspect, which is lame)
I also didn't overlook the fact that Bob died waaaay to easily for someone who contracted the walker infection. It's an ass kicking fever, for god sake. Morgan described it like it was hell
So why does this character not have the ability to weigh the benefits of a strong unit versus a hastily pushed mission? Clearly, he must have noticed that Carol saved them all singlehandedly. It's obvious that Carol & Daryl are two of the most superior & valuable assets in the group. Everyone knows that they'll be back. In fact, they show up that very night (Granted, probably with a new problem)
But this guy should be able minded enough to know that his mission is far less likely to succeed without people like Rick, Carol & Daryl, and since there's no present threat against them anymore, besides the usual shittiness of the world, what's it really going to hurt staying another night or two, to see if they come back. You get some rest. You prep for the road (Hunt/scavenge etc...)
I just don't get it. This badass group just got back together for less than a week, and we're already splitting them up again (Dramatic preference I suspect, which is lame)
I also didn't overlook the fact that Bob died waaaay to easily for someone who contracted the walker infection. It's an ass kicking fever, for god sake. Morgan described it like it was hell
Another overall good episode. It's a shame Bob died. I thought he was a good addition to the team. We haven't had someone with lifted spirits since Dale and now the group is out of medics. True, the signs in the previous episode were a giveaway but Maggie and Glen are still around and they displayed even more emotions last season. I also was hoping the Termites would turn from the tainted meat, like a poetic justice of their cannibalism.
I was a bit lost when the group split. Weren't they splitting up because of the Termite threat? After it was resolved, I figured they'll leave together later. Besides, they stand a greater chance sticking together. It was a but of a curve ball.
I agree with everything you said, even with the group splitting again.
Edit: Somewhat ninja'd but whatever.
I was a bit lost when the group split. Weren't they splitting up because of the Termite threat? After it was resolved, I figured they'll leave together later. Besides, they stand a greater chance sticking together. It was a but of a curve ball.
I agree with everything you said, even with the group splitting again.
Edit: Somewhat ninja'd but whatever.
I really wonder if this isn't a changed premise.
In the first episode Morgan checks Rick's head for a fever and says that a person bitten runs a very, very high fever. And it seems this is the case a few hours after being bitten.
In this episode it seems Bob wasn't running much of a fever, as I suspect that the Termites would have noticed that and, also, Bob remains pretty lucid during the experience. Jim's lucidity seemed to be in and out after he was bitten and he showed signs of the illness a few hours after being bitten.
So in the first season it seems implied that the "zombie virus" does have a more aggressive variant carried by the walkers and you get it when bitten. This variation is very aggressive causing your body to overreact to fight it, causing a very high fever leading to hallucinations and lack of lucidity. Everyone may carry the virus but being alive keeps it at bay. Once dead the virus takes over and becomes much stronger and transmittable via a bite.
Not sure how much it's been established it carries over via a scratch and coming in contact with a walker's bodily fluids doesn't carry with it any risk. We've seen characters come into contact with walker blood and offal without any problems at all, even at times getting it in or near their eyes and mouth. So whatever causes an infection is solely through bite.
But the way Bob died seems closer to what is now being said, that a bite doesn't cause you to die from a "zombie virus" but just from antibiotic-resistant bacteria and disease carried by the walkers. You die from a simple, but aggressive, infection and the "zombie virus" everyone already carries causes you to reanimate.
Because he has to save the world dammit! No matter how little sense his mission makes.
I enjoyed this one quite a bit. I wasn't that dissapointed Bob died. I didin't dislike the character, but if someone had to go, he wast the one I was least interested in.
I was really surprised they already killed Garret and the Termites, I was expecting that to go on a loooooot longer.
As for the cliffhanger, I'm assuming it won't just be Carol since they are making a big mystery out of it. If it was just her, they probably would have just had them come out together since we already knew they'd gone off together. I'm thinking it probably will be someone we already know, or someone who is introduced in flashbacks about Beth. If it was someone we didn't know then there would also been no drama in the reveal.
I was really surprised they already killed Garret and the Termites, I was expecting that to go on a loooooot longer.
As for the cliffhanger, I'm assuming it won't just be Carol since they are making a big mystery out of it. If it was just her, they probably would have just had them come out together since we already knew they'd gone off together. I'm thinking it probably will be someone we already know, or someone who is introduced in flashbacks about Beth. If it was someone we didn't know then there would also been no drama in the reveal.
In the sanctuary of Father Gabriel's church there's a listing of Bible verses. (Presumably the verses that were part of the last prayer service held in the church but given the time that's passed and the events of the world, Gabriel could have put these there himself. Also in my limited church experience usually these things have Hymns on them, but I suspect this can vary from church to church. I have been to a couple that listed the Bible verses to be discussed on the wall.)
Here's the verses listed:
New Testament - Romans 6:4 -
We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father.
Old Testament - Ezekiel 37:7 -
So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. I looked, and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no breath in them.
New Testament - Matthew 27:52 -
And the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life.
New Testament - Revelation 9:6 -
During those days people will seek death but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them.
New Testament - Luke 24:5 -
In their fright the women bowed down with their faces to the ground, but the men said to them, “Why do you look for the living among the dead?”
Here's the verses listed:
New Testament - Romans 6:4 -
We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father.
Old Testament - Ezekiel 37:7 -
So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. I looked, and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no breath in them.
New Testament - Matthew 27:52 -
And the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life.
New Testament - Revelation 9:6 -
During those days people will seek death but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them.
New Testament - Luke 24:5 -
In their fright the women bowed down with their faces to the ground, but the men said to them, “Why do you look for the living among the dead?”
I noticed Glenn looking at Galatians 6:9 "Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up."
i'm guessing it's NOT Morgan..as pointed out, he seemed to have found the sign a couple of months later.
he'll come save them later with ANOTHER crisis. But we'll see who it is...Any other person we've missed?
^That's for sure.
I notice they've been pulling actors from Treme's old cast as well -- Michonne and baby-choking Termite, for instance. Maybe the casting director for every David Simon show works for Walking Dead, as well.
I don't mind the idea of the group splitting up*, but yeah, Abraham's reasoning is kind of strange. The way I see it is that he feels like Rick and crew are too easily distracted and not focused on the mission. He's got a bug up his butt about it, and he doesn't care who's with him or not, he just wants to be mobile.
What bothers me about it more is how Rick & crew are supposed to find him. I mean, DC is a big place. Just having some highway routes in there doesn't really tell them where they'll be (but by Walking Dead logic, the world is a small place).
Also, as we were told by the Philly crew guys early on, all the major roads into DC were completely blocked. I would assume that would also be all bridges over the Potomac. It's more information Rick is conveniently forgetting.
* Seriously, what's wrong with the group splitting up? It allows an exploration of different group dynamics. I don't mind it as long as it makes sense.
What bothers me about it more is how Rick & crew are supposed to find him. I mean, DC is a big place. Just having some highway routes in there doesn't really tell them where they'll be (but by Walking Dead logic, the world is a small place).
Also, as we were told by the Philly crew guys early on, all the major roads into DC were completely blocked. I would assume that would also be all bridges over the Potomac. It's more information Rick is conveniently forgetting.
* Seriously, what's wrong with the group splitting up? It allows an exploration of different group dynamics. I don't mind it as long as it makes sense.
At the end of season 4, Rick reiterated to Daryl that he looks at him like a brother. And Daryl as well as Carol were missing when Abraham et al left. You don't leave a brother behind or even a close friend for that matter. So in relation to that, the plot makes sense.
But Abraham's reason for leaving doesn't. I don't think he had a good reason to leave. It wasn't due to the Terminus threat because they took care of it.
I kinda get that it might be easier to travel with a smaller group but that wasn't his reasoning.
Abe's only reason for taking off with a half-assed party is pure tunnel vision. That's it, "Go, go, go". Eye on the prize and nothing else. It's the kind of narrow minded idiocy that ought to get him killed. Don't get me wrong though. I think it's a cool character, but they are writing him like a total moron, and anyone's efforts to reason with him are lackluster at best.
Meh, everyone is a moron IMO that believes Eugene has the, "cure," for the zombie plague. I mean come one, first the "cure," is classified - as if that's even a rational and believable explanation- and secondly he spouts a bunch of techno-babble that would make most characters explanations of how shit works on Trek seem reasonable.
Yeah, I was glad to be rid of them. I don't think their wholehearted, enthusiastic embrace of cannibalism was sold very effectively, and Gareth and his glib hipster rap wasn't a very convincing spokesman for it. The scene where he and the others were put down was edited with reaction shots like it was supposed to evoke moral questioning, but for me it was more like "Finally and good riddance, and aren't we past those moral questions by now?"
That and he gets to be in charge. Or avoids a showdown over who's in charge.
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